felix leiter spin-off

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  • Posts: 5,745
    I was thinking. What if, decades down the road, they do another Bond reboot, but instead of the main franchise getting a new Bond, they replace him with Leiter.. just for an era. Like 4 films following Leiter, and then back to Bond.

    Think of it like Fleming writing four stories from Leiter's point of view, and then going back to telling Bond's stories. I think it would be really ballsy.
  • samainsysamainsy Suspended
    Posts: 199
    OMG I want to be a director now or something do with filming and do stuff to do with bond like bond goes rogue or double or felix leiters life if you know what I mean.
  • Posts: 12,837
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I think it would be really ballsy.

    That's one way of putting it.

    A Leiter spin off could work well imo but I think replacing Bond and having him as the star of the main series would be a terrible idea.
  • Posts: 5,745
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I think it would be really ballsy.

    That's one way of putting it.

    A Leiter spin off could work well imo but I think replacing Bond and having him as the star of the main series would be a terrible idea.

    But I'm talking about decades down the road. Maybe for the 100th, bring Bond back. But breeze over the 90th with some Leiter films, keep things fresh.
  • Posts: 2,189
    I feel like a Leiter spin-off would work best as a TV show, and occasionally the Bond actor at the time could drop in as a guest star. Maybe they could even do a stand alone movie at some point following the TV series and use that as a starting point for a new film franchise. But replacing the Bond films with Leiter films is just a bad idea all around.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 12,837
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I think it would be really ballsy.

    That's one way of putting it.

    A Leiter spin off could work well imo but I think replacing Bond and having him as the star of the main series would be a terrible idea.

    But I'm talking about decades down the road. Maybe for the 100th, bring Bond back. But breeze over the 90th with some Leiter films, keep things fresh.

    I still think it's a bad idea. If they want to keep things fresh they can just change the tone or the actor like they've been doing for the past 50 years. They don't need to change the character.

    Never thought that on a James Bond fan site, I'd find somebody suggesting getting rid of James Bond, even if not forever.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 5,745
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I think it would be really ballsy.

    That's one way of putting it.

    A Leiter spin off could work well imo but I think replacing Bond and having him as the star of the main series would be a terrible idea.

    But I'm talking about decades down the road. Maybe for the 100th, bring Bond back. But breeze over the 90th with some Leiter films, keep things fresh.

    I still think it's a bad idea. If they want to keep things fresh they can just change the tone or the actor like they've been doing for the past 50 years. They don't need to change the character.

    Never thought that on a James Bond fan site, I'd find somebody suggesting getting rid of James Bond, even if not forever.

    Oh come on. They could have the 'last' Bond's last film be a cliffhanger, where maybe Bond died, maybe he didn't. Do a few Leiter films, not as Bond '42' but as Leiter '1,2,3,4' and then have Bond back bigger than ever for Bond '43' or whatever. How amazing would it be to wonder if Bond is dead for 12 years, and then have him come back bigger than ever on the 100th anniversary.

    Just me? Oh well. Just hope you don't see me producing for Eon in 2052 ;).
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited April 2013 Posts: 9,117
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I think it would be really ballsy.

    That's one way of putting it.

    A Leiter spin off could work well imo but I think replacing Bond and having him as the star of the main series would be a terrible idea.

    But I'm talking about decades down the road. Maybe for the 100th, bring Bond back. But breeze over the 90th with some Leiter films, keep things fresh.

    I still think it's a bad idea. If they want to keep things fresh they can just change the tone or the actor like they've been doing for the past 50 years. They don't need to change the character.

    Never thought that on a James Bond fan site, I'd find somebody suggesting getting rid of James Bond, even if not forever.

    Oh come on. They could have the 'last' Bond's last film be a cliffhanger, where maybe Bond died, maybe he didn't. Do a few Leiter films, not as Bond '42' but as Leiter '1,2,3,4' and then have Bond back bigger than ever for Bond '43' or whatever. How amazing would it be to wonder if Bond is dead for 12 years, and then have him come back bigger than ever on the 100th anniversary.

    Just me? Oh well. Just hope you don't see me producing for Eon in 2052 ;).

    Just look at how brilliant the Bourne Legacy was without Bourne.

    Just because an idea isn't quite as ill conceived as the Jinx spinoff doesn't mean it's not also awful.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 5,745
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I think it would be really ballsy.

    That's one way of putting it.

    A Leiter spin off could work well imo but I think replacing Bond and having him as the star of the main series would be a terrible idea.

    But I'm talking about decades down the road. Maybe for the 100th, bring Bond back. But breeze over the 90th with some Leiter films, keep things fresh.

    I still think it's a bad idea. If they want to keep things fresh they can just change the tone or the actor like they've been doing for the past 50 years. They don't need to change the character.

    Never thought that on a James Bond fan site, I'd find somebody suggesting getting rid of James Bond, even if not forever.

    Oh come on. They could have the 'last' Bond's last film be a cliffhanger, where maybe Bond died, maybe he didn't. Do a few Leiter films, not as Bond '42' but as Leiter '1,2,3,4' and then have Bond back bigger than ever for Bond '43' or whatever. How amazing would it be to wonder if Bond is dead for 12 years, and then have him come back bigger than ever on the 100th anniversary.

    Just me? Oh well. Just hope you don't see me producing for Eon in 2052 ;).

    Just look at how brilliant the Bourne Legacy was without Bourne.

    Just because an idea isn't quite as ill conceived as the Jinx spinoff doesn't mean it's not also awful.

    Call it what you want, but a blonde Bond was a bad idea until 2006. I don't think you all are thinking about another 40 years of Bond. It may very well go stale.

  • Bradford4Bradford4 Banned
    Posts: 152
    Felix to me is just not an interesting character. No matter who plays him. In fact I thought Wrights turn was the blandest of all. A spinoff will never happen
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    The idea of a Leiter spin off sans Bond is farcical.

    Dr Watson is a far bigger and more important character than Leiter in the world of Holmes but in 100 years has there ever been a version with just him and bereft of Sherlock?
  • Posts: 5,745
    The idea of a Leiter spin off sans Bond is farcical.

    Dr Watson is a far bigger and more important character than Leiter in the world of Holmes but in 100 years has there ever been a version with just him and bereft of Sherlock?

    There haven't been 46 films of Holmes, though, have there?
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 12,837
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Call it what you want, but a blonde Bond was a bad idea until 2006.

    Maybe to you and to other idiots who judged the movie before it came out but me and lots of others were defending Craig because we knew he was a good actor.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I don't think you all are thinking about another 40 years of Bond. It may very well go stale.

    With so many different directions the series could take I fail to see how, especially since they've kept it fresh for 50 years up until now.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 5,745
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Call it what you want, but a blonde Bond was a bad idea until 2006.

    Maybe to you and to other idiots who judged the movie before it came out but me and lots of others were defending Craig because we knew he was a good actor.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I don't think you all are thinking about another 40 years of Bond. It may very well go stale.

    With so many different directions the series could take I fail to see how, especially since they've kept it fresh for 50 years up until now.

    Don't assume I thought Craig as Bond was a bad idea, I never said such. Please refrain from calling me an idiot on false pretenses. You can look for many more reasons to label me that, but don't on assumption.

    Also, I'm no fortune teller. I've never said my plan was plausible; probable. I just simply introduced conversation with a hypothetical situation. You actually act like it will happen. You act like I have the influence to make it happen. I do not. So calm your tone, and take five seconds to take your elitist head out of your pretentious ass, and entertain a situation that will never happen.

    :)
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 12,837
    The idea of a Leiter spin off sans Bond is farcical.

    Dr Watson is a far bigger and more important character than Leiter in the world of Holmes but in 100 years has there ever been a version with just him and bereft of Sherlock?

    I sort of get where you're coming from but I think it's different. With Holmes and Watson there's a buddy cop type dynamic, they're a duo.

    Felix isn't always there, he's Bonds CIA mate that pops up from time to time. He's not an essential, huge part of the series like Watson is with Sherlock Holmes. If you want to do a Holmes comparison a better one would probably be his brother.

    Anyway, thinking about it now, a spin off movie is probably a bad idea but a TV series with him could be good. It'd satisfy fans between Bond movies and it'd be a chance to expand on Felix and to make the character more interesting.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    The idea of a Leiter spin off sans Bond is farcical.

    Dr Watson is a far bigger and more important character than Leiter in the world of Holmes but in 100 years has there ever been a version with just him and bereft of Sherlock?

    There haven't been 46 films of Holmes, though, have there?

    Not far off. Certainly if you include the Jeremy Brett version then there have been.
  • Posts: 12,837
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    [Don't assume I thought Craig as Bond was a bad idea, I never said such. Please refrain from calling me an idiot on false pretenses. You can look for many more reasons to label me that, but don't on assumption.

    "A blonde Bond was a bad idea until 2006"

    Not "people thought a blonde Bond was a bad idea", just "a blonde Bond was a bad idea". Sounded like your own opinion. Sorry for calling you an idiot but you could've worded that better.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Also, I'm no fortune teller. I've never said my plan was plausible; probable. I just simply introduced conversation with a hypothetical situation. You actually act like it will happen. You act like I have the influence to make it happen.

    I'm well aware it will never happen. I'm not acting like it will. I'm just saying I think your idea is a bad one.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    So calm your tone, and take five seconds to take your elitist head out of your pretentious ass, and entertain a situation that will never happen.

    I entertained your idea when you first posted it. I took a minute to think about it and what would happen, would the reaction would be, what would the films be like, etc.

    I quickly came to the conclusion that replacing Bond with Leiter would be shit because we'd be ditching a brilliant character and the movies wouldn't be as successful.
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    :)

    :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I was thinking. What if, decades down the road, they do another Bond reboot, but instead of the main franchise getting a new Bond, they replace him with Leiter.. just for an era. Like 4 films following Leiter, and then back to Bond.

    Think of it like Fleming writing four stories from Leiter's point of view, and then going back to telling Bond's stories. I think it would be really ballsy.

    Heavens no. What will EON say when the centenary arrives? Here's to 90 years of Bond and ten of Leiter!

    Leiter could never be the main focus of the film, and why would EON replace Bond in any circumstance anyway? Just as the man raves who can't seem to sharpen his dull pencil, "I see no point."
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 14,875
    If you want to do a Felix Leiter spin off you need Matthew McConaughey
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    A real life Texan, who is the same age as Craigs Bond. To bad he wasn't cast in CR. Because now if EON did decide to make (never going to happen) a spin off with Felix, then McConaughey would be the perfect fit for Leiter. IMO.
    But the continuity wont work, so it fails before it's started.
  • Posts: 820
    Well I do remember they did the catwoman spin-off from Batman movies But I don't about Felix Leiter spinoff. It will good only as a Mini series or 1 season TV series Learning how he became CIA agent before meeting Bond in Casino Royale.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Agent7F wrote:
    Well I do remember they did the catwoman spin-off from Batman movies But I don't about Felix Leiter spinoff. It will good only as a Mini series or 1 season TV series Learning how he became CIA agent before meeting Bond in Casino Royale.
    The Halle Berry disaster isn't linked to Batman Returns...
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 14,825
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    The idea of a Leiter spin off sans Bond is farcical.

    Dr Watson is a far bigger and more important character than Leiter in the world of Holmes but in 100 years has there ever been a version with just him and bereft of Sherlock?

    There haven't been 46 films of Holmes, though, have there?

    Not far off. Certainly if you include the Jeremy Brett version then there have been.

    There have been countless of movies and TV series with Sherlock Holmes. He is the most played fictitious character!

    Anyway, a spinoff of any kind from the Bond franchise is a bad idea. There is a reason why they are called supporting characters. Sometimes in a series the supporting character becomes the main interest, but in more than 50 years, if somebody apart from Bond was really what brought audiences in, we would have known by now.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited April 2013 Posts: 9,117
    Ludovico wrote:
    if somebody apart from Bond was really what brought audiences in, we would have known by now.

    Quite. The box office seems to indicate that no one gives a toss about Felix.
    TB - massive box office with Felix.
    SF - Even more box office without.

    Doesn't seem to make any difference.

    Ask the general public to name supporting characters from Bond films and there's not many who would name Felix. M,Q, Moneypenny, Jaws, Oddjob and Blofeld are the only ones with any sort of profile in the consciousness of the public. Felix is just background noise.

    Now a Blofeld spinoff about how he started off and built up SPECTRE I could entertain as a potential idea for a TV show with Bond not featuring.
  • Posts: 14,825
    Ludovico wrote:
    if somebody apart from Bond was really what brought audiences in, we would have known by now.

    Quite. The box office seems to indicate that no one gives a toss about Felix.
    TB - massive box office with Felix.
    SF - Even more box office without.

    Doesn't seem to make any difference.

    Ask the general public to name supporting characters from Bond films and there's not many who would name Felix. M,Q, Moneypenny, Jaws, Oddjob and Blofeld are the only ones with any sort of profile in the consciousness of the public. Felix is just background noise.

    Now a Blofeld spinoff about how he started off and built up SPECTRE I could entertain as a potential idea for a TV show with Bond not featuring.

    Oh that I could see! I used to imagine a sort of Godfather 2/prequel to SPECTRE/Blofeld of the old continuity, learning how Blofeld recruited Largo, how and why he got the cat, etc. Nowadays Blofeld would first need to come back, and in whichever new form, for such story to be even theoretically possible.

    But yes, Leiter is background noise. I doubt many casual viewers know his name (same thing with Blofeld).
  • Posts: 12,506
    No spin offs please!
  • Posts: 1,548
    what about a spinoff about Elvis and how he came to become the world's worst henchman!
  • samainsysamainsy Suspended
    edited April 2013 Posts: 199
    LeChiffre wrote:
    what about a spinoff about Elvis and how he came to become the world's worst henchman!

    He wasnt that bad!He's Dom's cousin and was lonley on the streets and then Quantum let him join.Thats what Mark Foster said.
  • edited April 2013 Posts: 546
    Jack Lord is my favourite actor to play Felix Leiter. But Jeffery Wright delivered a good performance as Felix Leiter in CR & QOS. I hope EON brings back Wright as Felix Leiter in Bond 24. But I doubt if we get a Felix Leiter spin-off.
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