US Election - November 6

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  • RC7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    @SaintMark: Responsible for two wars? The funny thing is, they were absolutely necessary. Had we not engaged in them, it would have sent signals out to our enemies that we were pansies who were easily frightened by the Islamic extremists. I praise Bush for being American and not backing down in the face of danger, because that's what Americans do, we fight for our nation! We were attacked on our own soil! Bush had every right to attack back, it was necessary to our safety!

    America, fuck yeah! Comin' to save the mutha fuckin day yeah!


    What's the secret signal?

  • Perhaps it is ; free Will'...!
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Beast you're winding everyone up. You're joking. Your clever mickey take fell apart when u called Bush smart and intelligent.

    Yeah, I still suspect sockpuppetry- no one is THAT ridiculous, at least not in real life. What that tug? Is that my leg being pulled-???

    Depends what mood I'm in for which part of my anotomy is pulled.


    The funny part is I'm not even kidding at all. The man is INTELLIGENT. Come to grips with it! He knew what to do. Just a pity he's not in office. We need a good comeback.
    Murdock wrote:
    @00Beast, your not even old enough to vote yet. And the election is over, Romney lost, get over it. And when last I checked. Mormons don't believe in God. They believe in Joseph Smith.

    What's the matter with a little post-election debate, eh?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    RC7 wrote:
    America, f**k yeah! Comin' to save the mutha f**kin day yeah!

    RC, 00Beast is a child; I suggest you treat him as such.

    -Spockisall
  • WillardWhyteWillardWhyte Midnight Society #ProjectMoon
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    I am not on this forum to discuss grammar and criticize others about it.....but if I was writing a research paper I would take the time to make sure all things were perfect. (I did get 3 straight A's in college English). It does not bother me on a site like this....Usually I have limited time to read posts/ respond so I get quick on the computer.


    anyways back on topic...The people that voted for Obama, what has he done in 4 years that make it right for him to continue his quest? I can honestly say the only thing he delivered on was starting to bring back troops from war.

    Killing Bin Laden, for starters. He's bringing our jobs back from overseas. The stock market is up from when he took over. And, yes, he's bringing our troops back.

    Romney, on the other hand, said he'd do... what, exactly? Abolish taxes for the clearly under privilaged rich, do away with Medicare, send our jobs "back where they belong" (overseas, apparently, just like his money) and get rid of PBS (obviously Big Bird was a huge threat to him). All of this seems good... why?


    First off he had very little to do with the Bin Laden thing....the only thing Obama did was authorize the invasion on the compound. The jobs overseas coming back? I don't see it...all I see is the unemployment rate at a high figure for the last 2 years or so.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    America, f**k yeah! Comin' to save the mutha f**kin day yeah!

    RC, 00Beast is a child; I suggest you treat him as such.

    -Spockisall

    Nah, just an American putting in his two cents like everyone else. Forgive me if that's "not allowed".
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    00Beast wrote:
    just an American putting in his two cents like everyone else. Forgive me if that's "not allowed".
    You are disavowed.
  • WillardWhyteWillardWhyte Midnight Society #ProjectMoon
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    Murdock wrote:
    To answer your question Mr. Whyte.
    Goldenball wrote:
    President Obama repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

    He ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    He saved the automobile industry and tens of thousands of jobs throughout the mid-west; He signed into law the "Equal Pay For Equal Work Act" insuring that women are paid the same as men for the same work;
    He killed Osama Bin Laden, mastermind of 9/11;
    He passed laws restricting what credit cards can do, put into effect the most stringent new rules on how Wall Street investors can do their jobs and got the insurance companies to allow college age students to stay on their parents plan while children with preexisting conditions can now get medical insurance.

    "The Affordable Care Act" hopes to insure 90% of all Americans.

    Obama believes a woman has the right over her body. Romney and Ryan don't. They believe life begins at conception and if they win, set into motion a plan that would make abortion murder.

    President Obama never apologized to any foreign leader, not even for eight years of Bush & Cheney. Just lies.

    President Obama never took the work requirement out of assistance. They just say he did, like Romney taking the credit for the auto bail-out.

    And I like the way Obama handles the mud that's flung at him. He has a cool, zen-like calmness about him, so even when the Right claim he's illegitimate, lazy, and a socialist,
    he appears confident and sincere. I trust him. Romney is whatever you want to make of him- he's like an Etch-A-Sketch, and this is from his own camp. I'll take that

    . . . as a warning.

    The auto industry how I love hearing people praise him on this topic. What he did was waste so much tax payer money (I think I read on CNN that the tax payers lost over 30 Billion dollars in that little bailout) I still think it was a bad move.

    Obamacare is a joke....when this act finally kicks in you will see how bad people will abuse it and how much money will be wasted. What about having adequate doctors and nurses on hand?

    Some things were good..mostly bad
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    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    just an American putting in his two cents like everyone else. Forgive me if that's "not allowed".
    You are disavowed.

    Really? Just because I pulled for Mitt Romney and George W. Bush, and like to speak about God and Christ? You know that "Land of the Free" thing works both ways, buddy.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Some things were good..mostly bad
    Not 'mostly', just not as much as we'd like.
    IMHO
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    00Beast wrote:
    Really? Just because I pulled for Mitt Romney and George W. Bush, and like to speak about God and Christ?
    Being simple on complex issues is a privilege, not a right. You have abused your privilege, now go finish your geometry homework son, or you may face a detention tomorrow.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Really? Just because I pulled for Mitt Romney and George W. Bush, and like to speak about God and Christ?
    Being simple on complex issues is a privilege, not a right. You have abused your privilege, now go finish your geometry homework son, or you may face a detention tomorrow.

    Abused it? From whence does this logic hail? Pretty sure I'm just the guy that's easy to attack because he thinks differently from the vast majority of posters around here. Suddenly that's a penalty?
  • RC7RC7
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    chrisisall wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    America, f**k yeah! Comin' to save the mutha f**kin day yeah!

    RC, 00Beast is a child; I suggest you treat him as such.

    -Spockisall

    True. I'm sure the comment was appropriated at face value. Satire would be lost.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    00Beast wrote:
    Abused it? From whence does this logic hail?
    Nice wording there!
    Beast, you need more education on these issues & history to carry on an intelligent discussion. For instance, I could not discuss quantum physics or diamond cutting intelligently because of my lack of knowledge in these areas, similarly when you use words like 'intelligent' when discussing Bush, you immediately lose a great deal of credibility, like someone discussing Star Trek would by referring to a certain character as Dr. Spock.
  • A View from a British Socialist

    Obama has failed. Cheap promises and easy smiles are what got him into power in 2008 and again this year. He has failed to live up to the hype and abandoned his programme early on (climate change, anyone?). On some things like healthcare, this isn't his fault. But he's far too slick and PR orientated. There seems no substance about him and he appears weak. Tub thumping can only get you so far and imo, he is just a poor man's Jimmy Carter. I hope Obama's second term is better than his first....but I wont hold my breath.

    Obama was the lesser of two evils. The Republicans are like Thatcherites in the UK but only worse, much worse. There politics are divisive and are out of touch with the world's needs. Men like Nixon and Reagan won land slides because they offered real change not just to the privledged few but to everyone, no matter what. Romney just flip flopped too much. Going from the radical right to the centre was a mistake. People would be more willing to vote for you if you stuck by your principles and not changed what you said just to win votes. Thatcher's policies may have been hugely unpopular and wrong (imo) but at least she was straight and honest and she didn't bow to public popularity unlike Obama and Romney.

    The way large sections of the American population picked who they voted for is the most worrying aspect of all this. 95% of Black Americans voted for Obama. How disgusting is that....they vote for someone based exclusively on skin colour. No examination of his record or his manifesto for the next four years. Some people voted based on the religious background of the candidates, some voted just because a candidate opposed abortion and same sex marriage. Ridiculous. In times of economic turmoil and high danger from terrorism, the fact you pick your leader based on there views on abortion is, quite frankly, dangerous and repulsive. At least David Cameron will be judged on what he has/hasn't done, not his skin colour or his moral/private views on non issues such as abortion and same sex marriage (PRO CHOICE, anyone?).

    Ultimately, Obama winning may push the Republican party further into the hands of the Tea Party group. I can see a massive lurch to the right, with Sarah Palin becoming the GOP's candidate in 2016. And that is scary and worrying quite frankly. America needs a strong leader, the world needs America to have a strong leader. Not a war mongerer, a voice of hatred, a voice of denial in the face of scientific fact. Nor do they need someone who will ignore the budget deficit or forget about the poor and needy. Obama may have won....but America is a divided nation in almost every sense.

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    00Beast wrote:
    Abused it? From whence does this logic hail? Pretty sure I'm just the guy that's easy to attack because he thinks differently from the vast majority of posters around here. Suddenly that's a penalty?

    Nah, it's basically your tone. You talk down to others, spitting out your beliefs as if they're fact and telling us that our beliefs are wrong just because yours are right. You don't exactly know what the word "belief" means, and like all Republicans, you equate the words "Democrat" and "Liberal" with "wrong" and "evil".
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    America is a divided nation in almost every sense.
    And that's just the way TPTB want it. And they win no matter who's in office, merely to different degrees. A UNITED America would mean no ruling elite, but advertising makes that... unlikely.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Just so it's clear, when I said it was the navy seals, I wasn't trying to start an argument. I wasn't saying it wasn't thanks to Obama, etc.

    I just found it funny how direct people were being about it "he killed Bin Laden", so I made a joke, that's all.

    Now I don't understand why people are so against Obama care or whatever it's called. In the UK we have the NHS and it works fine. I don't think the hospitals over there would suddenly turn to sh*t if health care was free in the US.
  • Attacking Iraq is the best form of defense regarding 9/11?

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
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    Attacking Iraq is the best form of defense regarding 9/11?

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.


    Oh yes they did. They live in a foreign land, speak funny, have a tan and eat babies...that's enough isn't it. How many more excuses does team America at the behest of Israel need? Oh yes and they have oil or neighbours who pump oil through their borders but that's not important.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Now I don't understand why people are so against Obama care or whatever it's called. In the UK we have the NHS and it works fine. I don't think the hospitals over there would suddenly turn to sh*t if health care was free in the US.
    Healthcare is big business over here, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money- Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit.
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    I don't think people outside of America realize how big our Healthcare industry is.

    Just because we don't have a government healthcare program (yet) doesn't mean we don't have access to it.

    There are hundreds of affordable plans for middle working class people, and often times people get *free* healthcare (taken from their paycheck) at their places of employment.

    There are fewer and fewer good jobs these days, thus less offer easy healthcare plans, thus more people lack healthcare. But it's still big business. It's something every American has had to plan for and be mature about until now.

    Now we've just given it up to the government, and it's nice to see the good it can do, but simultaneously scary to think of where it can go.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Healthcare is big business over here because God forbid we actually need to go to the hospital, our biggest fear is that the damn doctors can't afford their damn country clubs, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money - Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts and, oh Lord, they can't afford to give up any money. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit. Are you one of the rich people who can actually afford healthcare? You're acting like you're one of the people who's losing the profits.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Healthcare is big business over here because God forbid we actually need to go to the hospital, our biggest fear is that the damn doctors can't afford their damn country clubs, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money - Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts and, oh Lord, they can't afford to give up any money. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit. Are you one of the rich people who can actually afford healthcare? You're acting like you're one of the people who's losing the profits.
    Did I say all THAT??? :))
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    chrisisall wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Healthcare is big business over here because God forbid we actually need to go to the hospital, our biggest fear is that the damn doctors can't afford their damn country clubs, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money - Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts and, oh Lord, they can't afford to give up any money. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit. Are you one of the rich people who can actually afford healthcare? You're acting like you're one of the people who's losing the profits.
    Did I say all THAT??? :))

    If you read between the lines, yes.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 5,745
    chrisisall wrote:
    Healthcare is big business over here because God forbid we actually need to go to the hospital, our biggest fear is that the damn doctors can't afford their damn country clubs, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money - Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts and, oh Lord, they can't afford to give up any money. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit. Are you one of the rich people who can actually afford healthcare? You're acting like you're one of the people who's losing the profits.

    Why should we take money for them to help people less fortunate. How is that fair? They made their way through college and got their jobs and made their money. Earned their money. Overpriced or not we pay it, so it's their's.

    Who has the right to take that from them? I understand that some people are less fortunate, no, alot of people are less fortunate, but you can't justify robin hood tactics in a democracy.

    Who the hell gives anyone the right to take from me and give to someone else. How about you encourage charities, or hell, just add a tax on doctor's offices that goes straight to funding a program for only those less fortunate. Don't overhaul the whole damn system and force me into something that will cost me control over my life, literally.
  • JWESTBROOK wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Healthcare is big business over here because God forbid we actually need to go to the hospital, our biggest fear is that the damn doctors can't afford their damn country clubs, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money - Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts and, oh Lord, they can't afford to give up any money. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit. Are you one of the rich people who can actually afford healthcare? You're acting like you're one of the people who's losing the profits.

    Why should we take money for them to help people less fortunate. How is that fair? They made their way through college and got their jobs and made their money. Earned their money. Overpriced or not we pay it, so it's their's.

    Who has the right to take that from them? I understand that some people are less fortunate, no, alot of people are less fortunate, but you can't justify robin hood tactics in a democracy.

    Who the hell gives anyone the right to take from me and give to someone else. How about you encourage charities, or hell, just add a tax on doctor's offices that goes straight to funding a program for only those less fortunate. Don't overhaul the whole damn system and force me into something that will cost me control over my life, literally.

    We had a similar debate in Britain in 1948. Things turned out alright.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Healthcare is big business over here because God forbid we actually need to go to the hospital, our biggest fear is that the damn doctors can't afford their damn country clubs, socializing it would make a lot of people a lot less money - Obamacare is already making a dent is some rich folks bank accounts and, oh Lord, they can't afford to give up any money. It's not about losing profit- it's about losing insane levels of profit. Are you one of the rich people who can actually afford healthcare? You're acting like you're one of the people who's losing the profits.

    Why should we take money for them to help people less fortunate. How is that fair? They made their way through college and got their jobs and made their money. Earned their money. Overpriced or not we pay it, so it's their's.

    Who has the right to take that from them? I understand that some people are less fortunate, no, alot of people are less fortunate, but you can't justify robin hood tactics in a democracy.

    Who the hell gives anyone the right to take from me and give to someone else. How about you encourage charities, or hell, just add a tax on doctor's offices that goes straight to funding a program for only those less fortunate. Don't overhaul the whole damn system and force me into something that will cost me control over my life, literally.

    We had a similar debate in Britain in 1948. Things turned out alright.

    Cheers, and I'm not so pessimistic I'm brainwashed in believing it wont work. But I don't like people's attitudes towards taking from the rich simply because they're rich. I don't take chips from a factory simply because they have an abundance of them.

    And not to be a dick, but Americans have a history of setting themselves distinct from the Brits.

    Sometimes for the worst, honestly. Comedy, to be specific.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why should we take money for them to help people less fortunate. How is that fair? They made their way through college and got their jobs and made their money. Earned their money. Overpriced or not we pay it, so it's their's.

    And the ones who just inherited it? They should just get to keep their money because they laid around and waited for their parents to die? I'm not saying they don't have a right to their money, but does that mean that I don't have the right to mine, even though I also earn my money?
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Who has the right to take that from them? I understand that some people are less fortunate, no, alot of people are less fortunate, but you can't justify robin hood tactics in a democracy.

    I'm not saying we should go Robin Hood, but why is right for the rich to horde it all and the poor to suffer just because the rich are the rich?
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Who the hell gives anyone the right to take from me and give to someone else. How about you encourage charities, or hell, just add a tax on doctor's offices that goes straight to funding a program for only those less fortunate. Don't overhaul the whole damn system and force me into something that will cost me control over my life, literally.

    So, you are saying that only the rich deserve anything, huh? That's the problem with Republicans, they want some sort of money monarchy, where the rich rule and the poor do their bidding just to live.
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    So the problem with Obama care is some rich people have been making money of health care?

    It does seem a bit unfair but wouldn't free health care work better in the long run?
    I'm not saying we should go Robin Hood

    I did one archery lesson in the 90s and I was in the army so if things ever do get all Robin Hood over there give me a call ;)
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