Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I do think the Max thing is a bit rum. Eon Bond hadn't really faced a fully psycho baddie before, let alone a younger one with blond hair.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I do think the Max thing is a bit rum. Eon Bond hadn't really faced a fully psycho baddie before, let alone a younger one with blond hair.

    But that could also be more of a reference to the infamous Wall Street “Yuppie” of the mid to late 80’s.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I don't know, and I suspect it's not as simple as that. But honestly, if NSNA having a black Felix gave EON the confidence to resurrect the character using Jeffery Wright (who's a wonderful actor and a wonderful Leiter) I say that's fine.

    I think it’s less to do with Casey playing Leiter before and more to do with the filmmakers thinking that Jeffrey Wright was the best possible choice for the role - fairly certain that he and Craig had a working relationship prior to CR so that could have been the idea behind the casting.

    I just find it quite difficult to believe that after the numerous headaches Kevin McClory had caused them over the years that EON would suddenly go and take any influence from his film - especially in light of the fact that the movie that NSNA was meant to compete with at the box office that year won that battle. I respect people liking NSNA - but to claim that it’s influenced EON since its release is a giant leap.

    Yes, I don't think it's a direct link, and Wright was probably on their radar after starring in The Invasion made years previously with... well, Daniel Craig, and of course his other great previous performances. I suppose you can argue that since it'd been done before there was a precedent... but again, not a direct link or anything, and things repeat themselves over time.
    mtm wrote: »
    I do think the Max thing is a bit rum. Eon Bond hadn't really faced a fully psycho baddie before, let alone a younger one with blond hair.

    But that could also be more of a reference to the infamous Wall Street “Yuppie” of the mid to late 80’s.

    I never found Largo in NTTD that much of a full fledged psycho if I'm honest. I'm actually a bit iffy about Braundauer's performance in that film. But again, if that in any way inspired them to write and cast Zorin, that's absolutely fine in my opinion and a vast improvement.
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    Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

    Anyway, NSNA isn't that movie nobody saw. I think its impact is being underestimated. Even James Cameron copied the Tango scene.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    I do think the Max thing is a bit rum. Eon Bond hadn't really faced a fully psycho baddie before, let alone a younger one with blond hair.

    But that could also be more of a reference to the infamous Wall Street “Yuppie” of the mid to late 80’s.

    I’m not sure how you mean? I don’t think they’re associated with being psychos on the level the two Maxes display.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I never found Largo in NTTD that much of a full fledged psycho if I'm honest. I'm actually a bit iffy about Braundauer's performance in that film. But again, if that in any way inspired them to write and cast Zorin, that's absolutely fine in my opinion and a vast improvement.

    Yeah, I prefer Zorin too; well it’s Walken isn’t it, he’s always amazing. But I think Braundauer is going pretty full psycho: all that weird giggling he does, doesn’t he smash the dance studio up when he thinks Domino is with Bond? Bond villains hadn’t really been fully crazy before, mostly urbane and threatening Christopher Lee types. Reg Grant is maybe the closest to dangerously insane. With Max & Max you suddenly have these guys who act unpredictably, are rather sadistic, laugh at very strange things, and are prone to violent outbursts; it’s a progression.
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I do think the Max thing is a bit rum. Eon Bond hadn't really faced a fully psycho baddie before, let alone a younger one with blond hair.

    But that could also be more of a reference to the infamous Wall Street “Yuppie” of the mid to late 80’s.

    I’m not sure how you mean? I don’t think they’re associated with being psychos on the level the two Maxes display.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I never found Largo in NTTD that much of a full fledged psycho if I'm honest. I'm actually a bit iffy about Braundauer's performance in that film. But again, if that in any way inspired them to write and cast Zorin, that's absolutely fine in my opinion and a vast improvement.

    Yeah, I prefer Zorin too; well it’s Walken isn’t it, he’s always amazing. But I think Braundauer is going pretty full psycho: all that weird giggling he does, doesn’t he smash the dance studio up when he thinks Domino is with Bond? Bond villains hadn’t really been fully crazy before, mostly urbane and threatening Christopher Lee types. Reg Grant is maybe the closest to dangerously insane. With Max & Max you suddenly have these guys who act unpredictably, are rather sadistic, laugh at very strange things, and are prone to violent outbursts; it’s a progression.

    It's a very bizarre and uneven performance from Braundauer for me. Not unsettling or dangerous as much as he comes off as a bit of a weirdo. Maybe they're going for full unstable, but I don't quite get it in the performance. He's relatively benign (although he doesn't exactly get much to do in the film - ie. 'here's my video game Mr. Bond! It will give you a mild to painful electric shock if you lose!')

    I think Walken just works a lot better because he's a naturally quirky and off kilter actor. You can believe he's insane and unpredictable. And he's far more domineering and charismatic.
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I do think the Max thing is a bit rum. Eon Bond hadn't really faced a fully psycho baddie before, let alone a younger one with blond hair.

    But that could also be more of a reference to the infamous Wall Street “Yuppie” of the mid to late 80’s.

    I’m not sure how you mean? I don’t think they’re associated with being psychos on the level the two Maxes display.

    They are - yuppie culture was full of narcissists and sociopaths because the financial sector (especially back in the 80’s) attracted those kinds of high risk taking people. That’s where the character of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho comes from after all. Walken’s Max Zorin came right out of that scene even if the character’s backstory didn’t necessarily reflect that.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I think what is unsettling about Brandauer's Largo is that he can be quite charming too. The fact that on surface he doesn't act like a psycho but deepdown he has no morals. Zorin on the other hand, while very amusing, is just a straight up psycho, slightly cartoonish.

    Regarding NSNA influences on the official films, I do see glimpses of Fatima in Xenia too.

    And as far as Casey's Leiter is concerned, I'd say he is the closest to the jovial Felix of the books. He's my favourite of all the Felixes.

    Now NSNA has its problems, but as far as I'm concerned the cast & characters isn't one of them.
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