Would you rather a John Gavin DAF OR a James Brolin OP?

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  • Posts: 2,343
    Casino Royale is a very Tarantino-esque novel. He would certainly have made a good movie out of it, but without EON involved.
  • edited August 26 Posts: 5,857
    thedove wrote: »
    He's socially awkward for sure. I think he's a brilliant filmmaker. I don't think Tarantino has worked with large budgets all the time. I seem to recall Reservoir Dogs being made on a small budget. He definitely is a cinephile who knows film and different genres. Could he pull off a Bond film? I am not sure but I would love to see him try.

    Reservoir Dogs is one of these strange films that seems to be considered 'low budget'. Perhaps for a Hollywood film it was at the time (although I think nowadays we wouldn't quite see it like that), and I'm sure for its scale it had limitations. But it was financed by a combination of Tarantino selling his scripts, and Harvey Keitel (who also helped get a lot of the talent onboard). I think the budget was about a million, if not more. I guess that's low budget in a very specific context, but very few independent filmmakers would ever get that amount to make their debut, and few would have that level of talent behind them in terms of crew and cast. It's not nothing.

    Compare that to Christopher Nolan's first film which cost about $6,000. Self financed and very much an independent production (to the point it couldn't have been done without Nolan taking on the directing, cinematography, and editing responsibilities). Same for films like Primer, El Mariachi, Blair Witch etc. In fact, Tarantino's early efforts as an independent, low budget filmmaker ended in disaster if anyone's seen what exists of My Best Friend's Birthday. He was never a lone, independent filmmaker, but a director who, by his own admission, had a good bit of luck and the right people behind him. That's not a criticism of him, but he's not a DIY filmmaker.

    I think the biggest budget he's dealt with is in the range of 100 million. Again, not nothing.
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    Serious film in the 60s. I don’t want Tarantino touching Bond.
  • Posts: 12,844
    Serious film in the 60s. I don’t want Tarantino touching Bond.
  • Posts: 8,517
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Serious film in the 60s. I don’t want Tarantino touching Bond.

    +1
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Definitely a faithful adaptation in the 1960s:



    Sidenote: this is allegedly Tarantino's favorite secret agent film so I wouldn't be surprised if he directed CR or any Bond film that it might have turned out similar to this one:

  • Posts: 16,067
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Oh, I agree. He's not only a bore, he's obnoxious, and I can see Broccoli and Wilson turning him down simply because they wouldn't want to listen to his babbling for an entire year (or however long it would take to develop the movie).

    QT didn't come off very well in the interview I saw of him when he spoke of CR. I really like Pulp Fiction and Django Unchained, but as a person he seems so full of himself. He can easily adapt an Elmore Leonard novel, an Ed McBain novel, heck, maybe a George Pelecanos too. But his sensibilities are all wrong for Fleming.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'd take a serious 60's CR, I think prime Connery with great material is too tempting to turn down.

    I think Casino is perfect as is and I wouldn't want to change a hair on it's head though
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Serious film in the 60s. I don’t want Tarantino touching Bond.

    +1
    Pretty easy choice, but me on this list as well.

  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff!

    Okay lets do a battle of the time that an American actor was almost cast as Bond.

    This is another fantasy what if with a would you rather slant.

    Would you rather a John Gavin DAF OR a James Brolin OP?

    John Gavin (1971) – After George Lazenby quit following On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, producer Cubby Broccoli signed John Gavin (Psycho, Spartacus) to play Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. Gavin even had a contract, but United Artists pushed hard for Sean Connery’s return to help the box office. Gavin graciously stepped aside—paid in full, never filming a frame. Had it gone ahead, we might have had a smoother, more debonair Bond in the Roger Moore vein two years early, with a younger American star taking over the tux.

    OR

    James Brolin (1983) – During the Octopussy pre-production, Roger Moore’s contract was up in the air. To hedge their bets, EON screen-tested James Brolin (Westworld, Hotel) as Bond—complete with fight sequences and wardrobe fittings. Moore eventually returned, but footage of Brolin shows a tougher, more physical Bond—lean, almost Dalton-esque. And yes, American again.

    So which alternate timeline would you rather see?

    Gavin as a suave 70s Bond replacing Connery?

    Or Brolin as a harder-edged 80s Bond challenging Moore’s lighter legacy?

    Would either have worked, or would making Bond American have broken the spell entirely?

  • Posts: 16,067
    Cornelian dilemma. Both would have been terrible and potentially kill the franchise. But I'll say Gavin by default. Because maybe, juuuuust maybe, DAF would not have been a complete failure, they'd be juuuust enough life in the franchise to cast Roger Moore in LALD.

    Because Brolin against Connery? Not a chance.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Gavin since I thought Brolin's screentest was appalling and OP is one of Moore's finest performances.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    Remington wrote: »
    Gavin since I thought Brolin's screentest was appalling and OP is one of Moore's finest performances.

    Agree. I can't believe Cubby liked it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    It might have been him bluffing to see if that would nudge Moore to return? Or maybe he was going to cast a new Bond when he didn't realize that NSNA was coming for the same year?



  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don’t know if it would be a bluff as such: he had to get the films made to satisfy the deal with UA so if there was any doubt about the star then he needed to make sure they had options. Obviously Roger was the one he wanted but if they couldn’t have him he needed a backup.
    I don’t really remember Gavin in the films I’ve seen which he’s in, and I thought Brolin had a sort of easy going charm, so I’d probably go for him out of the two.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    I think Brolin in Octopussy would have been a more interesting.
  • edited August 31 Posts: 2,343
    I don't want any less Connery movies.
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    I feel the sheer transatlantic smoothness of Brolin would have pushed the franchise closer to a naff '80s American TV vibe. The kind of thing we see when shows like Alfred Hitchcock Presents tried to spoof Bond (and they had a bona fide 007 in Lazenby!).
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    What you guys think of Brolins screentest? Director Glen called it exellent.
  • edited September 1 Posts: 16,665
    MSL49 wrote: »
    What you guys think of Brolins screentest? Director Glen called it exellent.

    He needed to learn how to pronounce Tatiana Romanova. :D I thought his screentest was pretty funny. Most screentests are. He was alright, though.
    I think he might've fared better than John Gavin, actually. Had Gavin actually done DAF, and the film not been a smash hit, I think it would've been the last one.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    What you guys think of Brolins screentest? Director Glen called it exellent.

    He needed to learn how to pronounce Tatiana Romanova. :D I thought his screentest was pretty funny. Most screentests are. He was alright, though.
    I think he might've fared better than John Gavin, actually. Had Gavin actually done DAF, and the film not been a smash hit, I think it would've been the last one.
    I think when actor is called screentest for Bond it shouldnt be too funny.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    In athletics it’s generally accepted that it’s preferably to move on from a player a little too soon than a little too late; I tend to think the same is true for Bond actors. I absolutely believe that Octopussy would have been a stronger curtain call than A View To a Kill was.

    I think most would agree with that! I have often wondered if Rog left then, would we have got the 3 Bond movies of Dalton that we deserved? And would they still have gone with AVTAK as his debut? Would have been great to see Tim face off against Walken, though I can't really see him in that pts or that Keystone Cops fire engine chase!

    And would Dalton have been more successful as Bond, assuming he wasn't competing with the shadow of Brosnan in 1984?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Here is the screen test for Brolin:







  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    thedove wrote: »
    Would you rather a John Gavin DAF OR a James Brolin OP?

    Neither really but of those 2 options I'll pick a Gavin DAF.

    3 years prior to DAF Gavin played a secret agent in the Eurospy film OSS 117: Double Agent with Bond veterans Luciana Paluzzi and Curt Jurgens.

    Someone made a "what if?" video collage of footage from it for a Gavin Bond film:




  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Remington wrote: »
    Gavin since I thought Brolin's screentest was appalling and OP is one of Moore's finest performances.

    Agree about OP featuring one Moore's finest performances and would've been an ideal finale for his tenure in the role. Perhaps the best thing about NSNA was that we got Moore in OP as a consequence of its existence.

  • edited 8:30am Posts: 2,343
    Gavin was a better choice than Brolin, but the timing wasn't right. They needed Connery in DAF.

    In the early 80s they should have hired Lewis Collins.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    echo wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    In athletics it’s generally accepted that it’s preferably to move on from a player a little too soon than a little too late; I tend to think the same is true for Bond actors. I absolutely believe that Octopussy would have been a stronger curtain call than A View To a Kill was.

    I think most would agree with that! I have often wondered if Rog left then, would we have got the 3 Bond movies of Dalton that we deserved? And would they still have gone with AVTAK as his debut? Would have been great to see Tim face off against Walken, though I can't really see him in that pts or that Keystone Cops fire engine chase!

    And would Dalton have been more successful as Bond, assuming he wasn't competing with the shadow of Brosnan in 1984?
    I think he would have been Pierce had lot of support in mid 80s.

  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Gavin was a better choice than Brolin, but the timing wasn't right. They needed Connery in DAF.

    In the early 80s they should have hired Lewis Collins.
    I would have been take Collins over Brolin. He was great "who should have been Bond".

  • Posts: 5,857
    Both I can imagine being very similar. I've never thought Brolin's screen-tests were all that impressive (as has been said I suspect it wasn't so much a case of him being a shoe-in for the role, but was a potential backup if Moore didn't return). I guess I'd take Gavin, but I think it was for the best we got Connery and Moore back.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited 12:55pm Posts: 3,339
    One less Connery Bond film or one less Sir Rog Bond film? Gut instinct, I'll go with the latter. So I'd have Brolin in OP and keep Connery in DAF. That old compilation of clips of John Gavin from OSS-117 gives a decent enough idea of what we might've got from him as Bond - it's not completely unconscionable, but I really don't think it would have been enough to carry the series. IMO, obvs.

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