Would you rather a serious CR in the Sixties OR a Quentin Tarantino CR in the early 2000's?

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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Hinx return one more. Possible insteed of Eye guy (working for Safin). Always get idea that Hinx work for somebody else. Greene, Lucia and even for short time Mr White have been option. In NTTD Safin whant Blofeld death and he send Eye guy to Spectre party, whyle earlier Hinx was on the Spectre meeting.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Love that @M_Balje that makes for a better tie in for SP and NTTD. Love it.

    Okay lets try this one, this pertains to casing of the leading lady.

    Would you rather Selma Hayek play Jinx in DAD or keep Halle Berry?

    Rumoured to be in the running for Jinx Selma Hayek the role eventually went to Halle Berry. But could Selma have brought something different to the role? Would it have improved the movie with her as Jinx?

    Selma went on to co-star with Pierce in After the Sunset and the two definitely had chemistry. I can picture Selma doing the bikini rise from the ocean to similar effect as Halle Berry. Would her charisma and charm as an actress brought something different to the role?

    OR

    Halle stays in the role. She was a huge casting coup as she unexpectedly won an Oscar for Best Actress in a leading role. In fact she was in the midst of filming DAD when she won the Oscar. This would be a momentous occasion as it marked the first time an Oscar winner had starred in a Bond film. I recall the PR machine playing that angle up as DAD became her follow up to Monsters Ball.

    So would you rather have had Selma as Jinx or are you happy with Halle in the role?
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Hayek because Berry was so poor as Jinx who was very poorly written in the first place.
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    Salma Hayek, easily. I think the problem was in the writing of the character and casting someone else wouldn't have changed this, but I understand Halle Berry was a bit of a prima donna at the time. I may be wrong, but Hayek always came off to me as warmer, friendlier and not full of herself. Also, I think she would have made Jinx far sexier and, well, more sexualised (it's Salma Hayek we're talking about), which would have toned down the tough girl, strong female character, Bond's equal aspect that I always thought was detrimental to the character and to Bond.

    DAD would still have problems, mind you, and I prefer Bond girls to be played by lesser known actresses, but still.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I love Salma of the two actresses she’s easily my favorite
    With that said, I would keep Halle in the role but would change how the character was written and portrayed; rather than street and sassy I would have her as sultry and classy.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Halle Berry. She was capable, if not served well by the film.

    Salma Hayes is great but would have been saddled with the same type of material. And it might date even more poorly over time.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Keep Halle, but
    A) change the haircut. The short hair doesn't work.
    B) tell her to act the way she feels is right. And allow her to not speak certain lines. Yo momma.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I'm intrigued by what Hayek would've been like but the root of the problem is still the screenplay and the lines Jinx got saddled with.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    The problem was the rubbish script and the thinly written character, Halle did the best she could.

    Salma Hayek would have been the perfect Bond girl for Pierce if he did a fifth film. They have great chemistry in After The Sunset.
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    Venutius wrote: »
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    That's why I prefer Salma Hayek. She just looks sexier and far more sexual. Circa 2002 she was in her prime, extremely attractive and oozing charisma. Yes, it doesn't change the many, many, many problems the script had, the way the character was poorly written. But the question is not about changing the script, it's about a new casting. Which would have maybe improved somewhat the character. Maybe they'd change a few lines, maybe they'd rewritten Jinx to suit Hayek. If they hadn't, then at least we'd have a far sexier looking Jinx (and I'm saying sexier, not more beautiful) with more natural chemistry with Brosnan.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
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    That's why I prefer Salma Hayek. She just looks sexier and far more sexual. Circa 2002 she was in her prime, extremely attractive and oozing charisma. Yes, it doesn't change the many, many, many problems the script had, the way the character was poorly written. But the question is not about changing the script, it's about a new casting. Which would have maybe improved somewhat the character. Maybe they'd change a few lines, maybe they'd rewritten Jinx to suit Hayek. If they hadn't, then at least we'd have a far sexier looking Jinx (and I'm saying sexier, not more beautiful) with more natural chemistry with Brosnan.

    This.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I would keep Halle in Carry On Bond.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Halle’s very good, she feels like an actual co-star unlike most Bond women. Jinx is a bit overly sassy, yes, but she fits in the tone of the piece.
    Hayek is good in other stuff, if they’d done another Brosnan film she’d have been a good fit.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Lets dive back into the world of fantasy and the world of what if.

    Casino Royale is one book of Flemings that has such a checkered past when it comes to productions and bringing it to the small and big screen. Fleming sold the rights to the book before he truly understood the gold mine he had with the character of James Bond.

    This led to the book not being available for EON to produce until 2006. In the years between it's publishing and 2006 there were many attempts to bring it to life. Course there was also the bizarre CR 67.

    But for this would you rather lets see what you would rather have seen on the Big Screen!

    Would you rather a serious CR adaption in the sixites OR Quentin Tarantino CR in modern times?

    The 1960s Attempt

    Before Charles Feldman turned Casino Royale into the wild 1967 spoof we know today, he explored the idea of producing a straight, serious adaptation of Ian Fleming’s first Bond novel. Early reports suggested he approached Cary Grant for the role of Bond and even considered offers to Sean Connery himself — at a time when Connery was still 007 under EON. Feldman’s negotiations with United Artists collapsed, and without a distribution deal, the film couldn’t be made in line with the official series. Some rumors claim Feldman flirted with directors like Sidney Lumet or Guy Green, envisioning a gritty espionage drama faithful to the novel — Le Chiffre, baccarat, torture scene and all — before pivoting to the all-star parody we actually got. Timing suggests that this film would have released between 1965 and 1967.

    OR

    Tarantino’s 2000s Pitch

    Fast forward to the early 2000s. Quentin Tarantino publicly expressed his desire to make Casino Royale after Pierce Brosnan’s run as Bond. He imagined a period piece set in the 1950s, filmed in black and white or with a retro aesthetic, sticking closely to Fleming’s text. Tarantino claimed he even had conversations with Brosnan about playing Bond in this one-off project — a standalone outside the EON continuity. The idea reportedly died when EON decided to reboot the franchise with Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell’s modern, grounded Casino Royale (2006).

    Which one would you have rather seen on the big screen?
  • edited 2:13pm Posts: 645
    Definitely the '60s attempt. I've read Jeremy Duns's article about the Ben Hecht script, which would've been great.

    I've never been convinced that Tarantino would've been the right director to tackle anything Bond-related. I recall an appearance on the Charlie Rose show while he was promoting JACKIE BROWN where he talked about his desire to make CR, and he seemed ignorant about the film series and the Fleming novels. At one point he described the ending of CR and couldn't even get that right, claiming Bond shoots Vesper on the last page! (Maybe he mixed it up with Mickey Spillane's I, the Jury).
  • edited 4:32pm Posts: 5,812
    Neither would be Bond films as we know them. Feldman had much more of a claim to actually getting the film made. I like many of Tarantino’s films, but I suspect his hypothetical CR comes from Miramax trying to get the rights to the novel in the 90s and then him dreaming about it for 10 years. There’s no way past 1999 he could have done the film, and it would have been just as unlikely in prior to that. I genuinely think he’s never read the book going from an interview in 1997 where he talked about it/flubbed a few story details (including the idea that Bond kills Vesper). He also seems to think the book is set in the 60s and that Fleming’s Bond is Phillip Marlowe. I reckon he read about the book or talked about it with someone second hand, or at the very least he doesn’t have a good understanding of it if he’s read it. Honestly, I’m not even sure if his ‘meeting’ with Brosnan was about CR specifically, and I suspect it may have just been him wanting to meet the actor and perhaps gauging the possibility of doing an EON Bond, or at least one on their terms. That said Tarantino really doesn’t seem like a big fan of the films, and it was likely never about making a Bond film but bettering EON’s interpretation of the character (he’s surprisingly snooty about the films from GF onwards, which is quite surprising. Then again he’s actually a bit of a film snob in a way you wouldn’t think going from his films. Weird guy).

    A 60s CR probably would have tweaked the concept of the torture scene, and in practice I think getting Connery would have been a big ask. It’s a tricky book to adapt as well. It would have been an oddity just as much as the ‘67 CR is, but it might have been interesting.
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    I think both projects would have made flawed movies to say the least, but I'd go for the 60s CR, which should have been better and overall more interesting. For the reasons stated by @007HallY , QT was wrong for Bond and I don't think he even bothered reading CR.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Serious CR in the 60’s.
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