EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Steven Knight to Write)

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I genuinely think it's nonsense. Any reasonable judge or even moreso panel, in the home market, would not cede James Bond rights to anyone with no precedent. I think the evidence they presented, some 200+ pages, is probably a fraction of what they could reasonably claim. We're fine.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    I genuinely think it's nonsense. Any reasonable judge or even moreso panel, in the home market, would not cede James Bond rights to anyone with no precedent. I think the evidence they presented, some 200+ pages, is probably a fraction of what they could reasonably claim. We're fine.

    But I could delay things until late 2028 or later, right? They still have to go through he process..
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’m not sure it would stop them using the trademark; as we’ve seen they’re using it all the time.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Does anyone else feel like with 3 out of the last 4 Bond films being flawed, that if Bond 26 truly gets it right and gets a strong, tight script and vision from the director, it could go down as being a top 6 or even 5 Bond film?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a Bond junkie and I find loads to enjoy and dissect in even the lesser adventures, but how strong of a script and directorial skill does the film need to vault over the likes of The Man With The Golden Gun or The World Is Not Enough, really?

    I think Bond 26 going down as the best or second best film of the century so far is very possible, again if they have something great up their sleeve (apparently they all seem on the same page, meaning there is obviously something special they have in mind)
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    I disagree, you will get The Predator or Alien Romulus level of filmmaking. All Craig Bonds are great, not flawed. Some are more successful than others but each have their moments.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    All Bonds are flawed, even the great ones. There's no such thing as a perfect movie.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    All Bonds are flawed, even the great ones. There's no such thing as a perfect movie.

    Spot on @CraigMooreOHMSS
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The track record hasn't exactly been great recently, but thatcould play into Amazon's hands in a similar way to Force Awakens being a huge success after the prequels brought everyone's expectations down.
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    I can imagine a portion of people on these forums really disliking Bond 26 in all honesty. No matter how successful it is in the wider world or how well made it is.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I can imagine a portion of people on these forums really disliking Bond 26 in all honesty. No matter how successful it is in the wider world or how well made it is.

    Well, we already saw people saying that Bond is dead back in Feb. So yeah, bound to happen.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh yeah, there's nothing worse than being in a fandom when something new is made. Fans hate the thing they're fans of for some reason.

    This, right now, is the best point in B26's existence: it's got great people onboard with it so it has the potential to be a superb Bond movie. The next Bond actor, right now, could be the best one we've ever had. Right now it could have the most Flemingy title we've never thought of before; the score might be an incredible new style good enough to take over from Barry. But as soon as more is announced, those possibilities narrow, more and more people get disappointed as it turns out it won't be the best film ever made, the title will be sort of meh, the new actor looks a bit weird and isn't the exact personification of the Milk Tray Man, I'm not too keen on that location, oh is it about Bond defeating an oligarch again.. hmmm... and then, as you say, when it's released a lot of fans will absolutely hate it. I might be one of them!
    So enjoy it right now, because this might well be as good as the film will ever get, certainly it's the most harmonious we're likely to be on here until the next big announcement! :D
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    Yeah, that’s the nature of it! It could well be that successful, highly regarded blockbuster of the decade and a portion of fans would still dislike it for whatever reasons - the sort of SF phenomenon. And once we get things like the new actor, a logline, title etc I’m sure some will have trepidations.

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s ideal that as many people as possible like the film. For Bond’s sake I hope it’s successful. But I think it’s near impossible for any film to reach the height of best film of the century so far. It could well be considered one of the better Bond movies out of the gate, but as I said that’s no guarantee it won’t have its controversies with fans! As we know sometimes Bond films - or films in general - take a bit longer to find their audiences/gain that reputation.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Stamper wrote: »
    I disagree, you will get The Predator or Alien Romulus level of filmmaking. All Craig Bonds are great, not flawed. Some are more successful than others but each have their moments.
    For me Romulus one of the best in the Alien series.
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    This is probably the most excited I've been about the Bond movies since Craig was hired and CASINO ROYALE went into production. With new people in charge and the additions of Villeneuve and Knight, I think we're seeing the kind of shakeup that this series needed pre-NTTD.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There's no reason he couldn't play the villain.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    He looks better now and more believable as Bond now than Moore in AVTAK
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    There's no reason he couldn't play the villain.

    It would be too distracting, as would have Connery playing Kincade.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    There's no reason he couldn't play the villain.

    It would be too distracting, as would have Connery playing Kincade.

    I can see how it could be but, after a decade-plus of shared universes and multiverses, I think audiences are sophisticated enough to understand and accept a former Bond paying homage to the series in another role. If it were Daniel Craig returning as the villain then I would agree. But time has passed. After all the marketing and anticipation of a new Bond, few are going to be thrown for a loop if Brosnan appears in Bond 26 as someone other than Bond.

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    I think it's best not to be reminded of any previous Bond actor. At worst you risk Brosnan outshining the new Bond just by having him there.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It's been 5 months since Amazon sealed control of Bond, do you think they've made good progress on Bond 26 or could they be doing more?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I don't know what more you could reasonably expect and still have a quality project.
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    They've been doing well from what I can tell. Although I suspect behind the scenes they've had many of the pieces together longer than the February/March period (they'd obviously finalised Heyman and Pascal months beforehand/had to wait for the deal officially going through before announcing them. That potentially gives them a leg up in terms of early discussions/where they've gotten to now).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    007HallY wrote: »
    They've been doing well from what I can tell. Although I suspect behind the scenes they've had many of the pieces together longer than the February/March period (they'd obviously finalised Heyman and Pascal months beforehand/had to wait for the deal officially going through before announcing them. That potentially gives them a leg up in terms of early discussions/where they've gotten to now).

    Interesting, perhaps a Bond actor announcement is the next thing to drop. Seems like they're already auditioning.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    You're not going to want to hear this, but I think we're now in for a fairly long quiet period, with some very heavy BS rumors on the way in the meantime.

    I wager we don't get significant official updates until around Dune 3 press. Then it will be a big show after that, with an actor, a title, a working script, and maybe release date. All at once is my bet.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    You're not going to want to hear this, but I think we're now in for a fairly long quiet period, with some very heavy BS rumors on the way in the meantime.

    I wager we don't get significant official updates until around Dune 3 press. Then it will be a big show after that, with an actor, a title, a working script, and maybe release date. All at once is my bet.

    That's 15 - 16 months. I'm guessing that means we wouldn't get the movie in 2027? They would need to cast the rest of the roles and enter production in a matter of weeks.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    They've been doing well from what I can tell. Although I suspect behind the scenes they've had many of the pieces together longer than the February/March period (they'd obviously finalised Heyman and Pascal months beforehand/had to wait for the deal officially going through before announcing them. That potentially gives them a leg up in terms of early discussions/where they've gotten to now).

    Interesting, perhaps a Bond actor announcement is the next thing to drop. Seems like they're already auditioning.

    I think @LucknFate is right. They’ve had a good leg up getting the producers and key talent nailed (and presumably a general sense of direction/other very early things we won’t know about) but they still have to get a script written and finalised, and of course Villeneuve’s got another film to make. I think in regards to auditions it’s only line readings (if the Rose Marsh story is true - I don’t believe a casting director has been made public, not that that means they don’t have someone/aren’t doing it at this stage) so it’d be very early stuff, and there are potentially hundreds of actors they’re considering, even if they have someone in mind.

    I can maybe imagine some other piece of news coming after the summer. But I don’t think it’ll be the next Bond. I can imagine that being announced next year.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    You're not going to want to hear this, but I think we're now in for a fairly long quiet period, with some very heavy BS rumors on the way in the meantime.

    I wager we don't get significant official updates until around Dune 3 press. Then it will be a big show after that, with an actor, a title, a working script, and maybe release date. All at once is my bet.

    Yeah, they've got to write the script, work on it, then cast from there.

    Although I've just been listening to a podcast about Star Trek Beyond just because I rewatched it the other day: I had no idea that Justin Lin the director joined the project, along with Simon Pegg & Doug Jung to write it, two and half months before they started shooting! That's nuts. And I think doesn't show in the finished film at all.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    We could also find out more about the state of the script/story this September, when Knight's show about Guinness gets press. Then the Peaky movie likely in Winter/Spring. So clues about state of script here and there but not much else I don't think, unless there are leaks.

    I wonder if any of the Guinness family actors will get a shot at Bond?

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    Also, @mtm I would think Pegg had a lot of prior insight and ideas as a fan and cast member. All things considered, CR was a little similar in being a quick (for modern Bond) production considering it introduces a new guy just four years after the old one, but they had a story they had wanted to tell forever.
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