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EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Denis Villeneuve to Direct)

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited July 2 Posts: 2,757
    If I'm asked to pinpoint the Bond films that suits Villeneuve's style, I would say:
    Dr.No.
    From Russia With Love.
    OHMSS.
    The Spy Who Loved Me.
    For Your Eyes Only.
    The Living Daylights.
    GoldenEye.
    Casino Royale.
    Skyfall.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2 Posts: 8,757
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Terrance Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert, Bernard Lee, Lois Maxwell, Desmond Llewellyn. Were any of these great people still with us I'm
    Sure they would be thrilled to be called the "cheapest people available". Cheap they may have been, bloody great Bond films they did make.

    Yes they made great Bond films but in a completely different market. For most of the Cubby run they were the only game in town for what we now consider "franchise" filmmaking in the true sense - in many senses Bond established the concept as we know it.

    But when the market changed the Cubby model didn't hold up, and then they found a new model and a new precedent for not only making the films viable but making them massively successful and culturally central once again.

    To be fair the Cubby model is what Marvel does now. It works until it stops working.

    But if you want better movies you need better talent.

    Cubby would have never coughed up $50m for RDJ. He would have found a male model replacement and think that was good enough.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Terrance Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert, Bernard Lee, Lois Maxwell, Desmond Llewellyn. Were any of these great people still with us I'm
    Sure they would be thrilled to be called the "cheapest people available". Cheap they may have been, bloody great Bond films they did make.

    Yes they made great Bond films but in a completely different market. For most of the Cubby run they were the only game in town for what we now consider "franchise" filmmaking in the true sense - in many senses Bond established the concept as we know it.

    But when the market changed the Cubby model didn't hold up, and then they found a new model and a new precedent for not only making the films viable but making them massively successful and culturally central once again.

    To be fair the Cubby model is what Marvel does now. It works until it stops working.

    But if you want better movies you need better talent.

    Cubby would have never coughed up $50m for RDJ. He would have found a male model replacement and think that was good enough.

    Touché.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    Ryan wrote: »
    Excellent use of the title theme too. Having him involved from the get-go could only yield even better results.
    That alone makes the NTTD score much better than anything Newman churned out.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited July 2 Posts: 2,757
    I know Newman had enough time than Zimmer, but Newman nailed the travelogue, romantic, atmospheric and suspenseful side of Bond better.
    Zimmer..of course, is better than Newman when it comes to action and it showed. But with enough time, Zimmer can of course, nail all sides of the score. That's why I suspect Villeneuve has already informed Zimmer, to get his mind ready for Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2 Posts: 18,439
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I know Newman had enough time than Zimmer, but Newman nailed the travelogue, romantic, atmospheric and suspenseful side of Bond better.
    Zimmer..of course, is better than Newman when it comes to action and it showed. But with enough time, Zimmer can of course, nail all sides of the score. That's why I suspect Villeneuve has already informed Zimmer, to get his mind ready for Bond.


    Yeah, I think I'd agree with all of that: they both have their strengths. For me Skyfall is the superior score for the reasons you say, but there's certainly lots to like in NTTD; it has that eight note rising & descending recurring motif which I think works really well. Zimmer can be great obviously, so I'd have no worries about him doing B26.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I know Newman had enough time than Zimmer, but Newman nailed the travelogue, romantic, atmospheric and suspenseful side of Bond better.
    Zimmer..of course, is better than Newman when it comes to action and it showed. But with enough time, Zimmer can of course, nail all sides of the score. That's why I suspect Villeneuve has already informed Zimmer, to get his mind ready for Bond.


    Yeah, I think I'd agree with all of that: they both have their strengths. For me Skyfall is the superior score for the reasons you say, but there's certainly lots to like in NTTD; it has that eight note rising & descending recurring motif which I think works really well. Zimmer can be great obviously, so I'd have no worries about him doing B26.

    Yes, exactly. I agree.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
    edited July 2 Posts: 604
    I really think Newman’s score is the weak spot of Skyfall. I find his lighthearted pattering atmospherics really undersell the atmosphere and tension in scenes and sound like they came from some generic action movie or BBC procedural rather than a Bond film. Some of the grander tracks work (like the one time he brings in the melody from the theme) but overall I’ve always found it very ill-fitting.

    We need a composer who can do the romance, atmosphere, travelogue, and action and all in a Bondian way. Someone like…David Arnold?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Problem is everyone has a different take: I'm not completely sold on Arnold- I think there are better out there. Newman for me had much more depth and quality, Arnold always feels a touch thin and surface level to me.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2 Posts: 6,046
    If they can get him, I’d love to see Michael Giacchino compose the score for Bond 26. I especially admired his work on The Batman. I keep returning to his Catwoman theme, which, to me, captures an incredibly Bondian vibe.

  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I personally wanted Ludwig Göransson...but with Villeneuve directing, it means Zimmer is scoring Bond 26....and Zimmer with ample time, means a great score.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yep, Göransson would probably have been my pick too, maybe Pemberton; but happy with Zimmer.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
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    Oh yeah Göransson would rock.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’d be ok with Zimmer, but I’d definitely prefer to have someone new have a crack at it. It’s why I’m against Arnold’s return. That guy did five films in a row, and most of his soundtracks tend to be like three or four highlight tracks and everything else is just kind of the same shtick. I remember when CR was coming out I looked forward to what Arnold would do with a new Bond, and there was a lot of talk about how his score would be radically different from before and it turned out… all he did was use less techno. It didn’t feel all that different from what he had done before. Thankfully, QOS was an improvement for the most part. Still the same bag of tricks when it came to action cues, but in the end turned out to be his strongest effort. That last cue with the haunting Vesper theme descending as the camera lingers on that necklace was brilliant. If his Bond career had to end somewhere, that’s kind of perfect.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
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    Maybe I don’t have a sophisticated enough ear or enough technical music knowledge but to me his work on Casino Royale sounds radically different from his Brosnan stuff which I wasn’t crazy for. CR is big and and lush and sweeping and managed to sound SO Bond-y without even using the Bond theme, whereas his Brosnan scores are techno noise walls with the Bond theme plastered all over. QoS I found similarly excellent, and would have been interested to see if he could develop his sound over another. But maybe he was all out of ideas idk. I just know CR and QoS are easily my favorite non-Barry scores in the series.
  • delfloriadelfloria
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    Personally, I'd love to see what John Powell would do with a Bond score.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    SomethingThatAteHim wrote: »
    Maybe I don’t have a sophisticated enough ear or enough technical music knowledge but to me his work on Casino Royale sounds radically different from his Brosnan stuff which I wasn’t crazy for. CR is big and and lush and sweeping and managed to sound SO Bond-y without even using the Bond theme, whereas his Brosnan scores are techno noise walls with the Bond theme plastered all over. QoS I found similarly excellent, and would have been interested to see if he could develop his sound over another. But maybe he was all out of ideas idk. I just know CR and QoS are easily my favorite non-Barry scores in the series.

    I feel the same. Besides, his “Surrender” is unparalleled. Bold as Bond. And the song he made for the N Peal ad, just sold him again to my ears.

    But… I’d pretty much like a clean slate for everything, this time. Even though I still believe Hans Zimmer is yet to show his best hand in the game, so I’d be happy for his return. He would’ve ushered Bond to his death, and now he would bring him back to life. For his second life, as one only lives twice. Could you get more Bondian than that? ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I was thinking that one good thing about Villeneuve doing it is that we're unlikely to see that slightly annoying lack of sincerity which lots of blockbusters have crept into recently, the "Stormtroopers can fly now? They can fly now" style of camera-winking, often called the "Well that just happened" style of humour. Obviously Eon never went there, but with a new US studio getting involved (and a producer of Marvel films I guess!) it could have been a bit of a worry, but I don't see DV going anywhere near that, he's too classy.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    I was thinking that one good thing about Villeneuve doing it is that we're unlikely to see that slightly annoying lack of sincerity which lots of blockbusters have crept into recently, the "Stormtroopers can fly now? They can fly now" style of camera-winking, often called the "Well that just happened" style of humour. Obviously Eon never went there, but with a new US studio getting involved (and a producer of Marvel films I guess!) it could have been a bit of a worry, but I don't see DV going anywhere near that, he's too classy.

    Yes. I don't see Villeneuve doing such.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Univex wrote: »
    SomethingThatAteHim wrote: »
    Maybe I don’t have a sophisticated enough ear or enough technical music knowledge but to me his work on Casino Royale sounds radically different from his Brosnan stuff which I wasn’t crazy for. CR is big and and lush and sweeping and managed to sound SO Bond-y without even using the Bond theme, whereas his Brosnan scores are techno noise walls with the Bond theme plastered all over. QoS I found similarly excellent, and would have been interested to see if he could develop his sound over another. But maybe he was all out of ideas idk. I just know CR and QoS are easily my favorite non-Barry scores in the series.

    I feel the same. Besides, his “Surrender” is unparalleled. Bold as Bond. And the song he made for the N Peal ad, just sold him again to my ears.

    But… I’d pretty much like a clean slate for everything, this time. Even though I still believe Hans Zimmer is yet to show his best hand in the game, so I’d be happy for his return. He would’ve ushered Bond to his death, and now he would bring him back to life. For his second life, as one only lives twice. Could you get more Bondian than that? ;)

    I hope there will be no overt throwbacks to any previous Bond films, I think that's been done too much for too long, but a musical wink to YOLT for the film that follows Bond's death I'd definately appreciate.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    It's the one big argument against Edgar Wright ever doing one of these, for me. I fear he would be too tempted to really, really point out how clever of an homage he just did. It couldn't just be "We don't really go in for that anymore" and off we go.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited 10:51am Posts: 6,898
    Yes, you’re right @mtm. I was thinking just that the other day, that there are many ways in which we are in safer hands now that VN is at the helm, one of which is cringeworthy stuff like that. In fact, can we male a list of what we most likely, and fortunately, won’t get from a DV Bond film?

    Bad cgi
    Bad, lazy, cringeworthy writing
    Blantant homages
    Uninteresting characters
    Bad production design
    Poor cinematography
    Bland musical score
    Horrible editing
    A lackluster villain
    …
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 11:02am Posts: 2,757
    That's the thing with Edgar Wright @ImpertinentGoon Enjoyable filmmaker, but he tends to lean towards the juvenile side of things a lot. I think an Edgar Wright Bond film would look like Vaughn's Kingsman: The Secret Service...which is an enjoyable film, but not a film you would call 'Great'.
    I'm sure a Wright Bond film would show James Bond assembling a gun in a hotel room, with fast-cut editing...all with Bond listening to The Ramones or The Clash or The Sex Pistols or The Rolling Stones, etc. That's why I don't think Wright suits Bond...even if I enjoy his films for what they are.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I'm sure a Wright Bond film would show James Bond assembling a gun in a hotel room, with fast-cut editing...all with Bond listening to The Ramones or The Clash or The Sex Pistols or The Rolling Stones, etc. That's why I don't think Wright suits Bond...even if I enjoy his films for what they are.

    Oh gosh, that's a terrifying glimpse! :))

    I watched the trailer for his Running Man yesterday, seemed to be weirdly jokey in tone, and of course features a flashy bit of camerawork as the camera follows the hero running down a corridor. I was interested in it before but the trailer put me off a bit.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,757
    mtm wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I'm sure a Wright Bond film would show James Bond assembling a gun in a hotel room, with fast-cut editing...all with Bond listening to The Ramones or The Clash or The Sex Pistols or The Rolling Stones, etc. That's why I don't think Wright suits Bond...even if I enjoy his films for what they are.

    Oh gosh, that's a terrifying glimpse! :))

    I watched the trailer for his Running Man yesterday, seemed to be weirdly jokey in tone, and of course features a flashy bit of camerawork as the camera follows the hero running down a corridor. I was interested in it before but the trailer put me off a bit.

    Lol. Exactly.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I saw a few people comment under that Running Man trailer that it proves he should have gotten Bond over Villeneuve. One of the increasing number of times where I wonder whether I've seen the same thing as the person commenting.
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