Would you rather new villains in First Light OR returning villains/SPECTRE in First Light?

1186187188189190192»

Comments

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,278
    LALD. They should have left him out of TMWTGG. That guy fit right into the swamps of Louisiana, but would have been highly unlikely to travel to Thailand...and visit an AMC dealership there, since AMC never had a dealership in Thailand.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,759
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    LALD. They should have left him out of TMWTGG. That guy fit right into the swamps of Louisiana, but would have been highly unlikely to travel to Thailand...and visit an AMC dealership there, since AMC never had a dealership in Thailand.

    Well, if the man himself makes the choice, who am I to see it differently?
  • Posts: 893
    Pepper is such a racist buffoon I wish he’d been left out of both films. Having said that Clifton James was a fine actor .
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,278
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    LALD. They should have left him out of TMWTGG. That guy fit right into the swamps of Louisiana, but would have been highly unlikely to travel to Thailand...and visit an AMC dealership there, since AMC never had a dealership in Thailand.

    Well, if the man himself makes the choice, who am I to see it differently?

    Right, you'd better listen to the sheriff, or I'd haul your ass through my parish!
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,988
    LALD.

    Once is kind of funny, a second appearance is cringeworthy.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 10 Posts: 3,281
    At least the tube station couple from SF weren't on the street in Rome when Bond parachuted down in SP...
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,759
    Venutius wrote: »
    At least the tube station couple from SF weren't on the street in Rome when Bond parachuted down in SP...

    That, tbh, would've made more sense.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,767
    Venutius wrote: »
    At least the tube station couple from SF weren't on the street in Rome when Bond parachuted down in SP...

    Tube station couple? Don't you mean Vesper's parents? ;)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,489
    Seve wrote: »
    LALD where he was relevant to his surroundings

    In TMWTGG he was a fish out of water, but not in a good way.
    92aa1e1e681270377a75853fc7fd99b1a5ca92f6.gifv

    Whah? Yeah, okay. Okay.

    86507fea7971e1486a95c01727e32178872f8ee9.gifv
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,881
    As previously mentioned, Roger had a couple of characters that came back to play an important role in a second film. Let us turn our attention to one Jaws!

    Would you rather watch Jaws in Spy OR in MR?

    One of the more memorable things about TSWLM is Jaws! 7'2" henchman of Stromberg. He was full of menace and yet there were some comedic elements present. Dropping the block on his foot, brushing himself off when the car crashes through a house. Jaws also had a killer side as we see him end the life of men on screen. Though the gore is low, the killing is played straight. No words are spoken but his actions speak louder.

    OR

    Brought back for MR. Jaws shows up in the PTS, is that the first time we see the henchman in the PTS? Jaws has a character arc in this film and we hear him utter words. The comedy is played up in this film. From breaking steering wheels on boats, to having cable car mishaps our Jaws seems to be more of a bungler. He does however fall in love and turn to the side of right and virtue!

    Which Jaws performance would you rather watch?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,960
    I like when the franchise takes some fun and surprises me, so MR for Jaws.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,663
    TSWLM. I wish he didn't return in MR.
  • Posts: 12,732
    TSWLM
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,881
    There is sometimes too much of a good thing @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ I recall the fandom clamouring for Hinx to return in NTTD and I am glad he didn't. There is something to be said for giving us everything in one film.

    BTW I have reflected and now remember that Grant also appeared in the PTS in FRWL. So I guess this was the second time that a Henchman appeared in the PTS...wait I think we also see the hook of Tee Hee in the LALD PTS, so it's the third time. Oh and Nick Nack appears in the PTS of Golden Gun. Okay it's not as rare as we think. LOL!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,663
    thedove wrote: »
    There is sometimes too much of a good thing @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ I recall the fandom clamouring for Hinx to return in NTTD and I am glad he didn't. There is something to be said for giving us everything in one film.

    BTW I have reflected and now remember that Grant also appeared in the PTS in FRWL. So I guess this was the second time that a Henchman appeared in the PTS...wait I think we also see the hook of Tee Hee in the LALD PTS, so it's the third time. Oh and Nick Nack appears in the PTS of Golden Gun. Okay it's not as rare as we think. LOL!

    Yeah @thedove I think Blofeld is the only villian that has the ultimate right to keep returning :)
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited June 12 Posts: 3,272
    LucknFate wrote: »
    I like when the franchise takes some fun and surprises me, so MR for Jaws.

    +1

    Another vote for Jaws in MR. I tend to have a slight preference for MR over TSWLM of the two late 1970s Gilbert/Moore/Wood sci-fi Bond epics. And while I wouldn't want this story device in every Bond film there is something refreshing about a henchman acting in his own self-interest and switching to Bond's side when he realizes his villainous boss is either going to throw him under the bus or has already done so(unlike say Oddjob in GF or Gobinda in OP for example.)

  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,943
    To be honest, I liked Jaws in both, he's menacing in the Pyramids in TSWLM when he killed Max Kalba, and also menacing in MR in the dark Brazilian Alley with Manuela and in that Amazon Forest with Bond (bonus for that Python Snake fight).
    But MR for me, aside from it being my favorite Moore Bond film, Jaws had been given more focus, he was often a bit sidelined in TSWLM whereas in MR he had more exposure and it's more fun.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 12 Posts: 577
    TSWLM. I wish he didn't return in MR.

    I agree, I would have much preferred him to have died in TSWLM.

    However, as his return was already foreshadowed at the end of TSWLM, when he swam away from the wreckage of Atlantis, it would have been more tolerable if only he had remained evil and then been killed off in MR.

    There are few things I dislike more than turning a true villain into a figure of sympathy. In MR, James Bond himself says "His name is Jaws, he kills people"

    Also, despite what some internet sources try to claim, I personally have no doubt that he kills Aziz Fekkesh when he bites him on the neck, in the Egyptian tomb during TSWLM.

    Every great henchmen needs to be allowed demonstrate their threat level, and to suggest that this scene is designed to be in any way "ambiguous" is just nonsense

    The scene strongly implies that Aziz Fekkesh doesn't survive Jaws' attack. The dramatic buildup, the ominous bite, and the fact that we never see Fekkesh again all reinforce the idea that Jaws successfully eliminates him. The audience is clearly meant to understand that Jaws' bite is fatal.

    So Jaws does not deserve any pity from the audience and giving him a girlfriend with braces is typical corny, roll your eyes, Moore-Bond era humour, which might be suitable for Maxwell Smart, but not for James Bond IMHO.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,278
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited 1:32am Posts: 577
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.

    In what way was he ever tragic in TSWLM?

    But I do agree, his moments of menace were continually undermined by moments of silly Moore-Bond humour, which I found extremely frustrating at the time.

    He should have been portrayed like Odd Job - all business
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,663
    Seve wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.

    In what way was he ever tragic in TSWLM?

    But I do agree, his moments of menace were continually undermined by moments of silly Moore-Bond humour, which I found extremely frustrating at the time.

    He should have been portrayed like Odd Job - all business

    Exactly. He should have been Odd Job-like.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,960
    Seve wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.

    In what way was he ever tragic in TSWLM?

    But I do agree, his moments of menace were continually undermined by moments of silly Moore-Bond humour, which I found extremely frustrating at the time.

    He should have been portrayed like Odd Job - all business

    Exactly. He should have been Odd Job-like.

    Well the humor is what sets him apart from just being Oddjob with teeth. Why do you want them to repeat themselves?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 2:27pm Posts: 2,663
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.

    In what way was he ever tragic in TSWLM?

    But I do agree, his moments of menace were continually undermined by moments of silly Moore-Bond humour, which I found extremely frustrating at the time.

    He should have been portrayed like Odd Job - all business

    Exactly. He should have been Odd Job-like.

    Well the humor is what sets him apart from just being Oddjob with teeth. Why do you want them to repeat themselves?

    The thing is, Jaws just turned out to be a goofy villian in MR. He mustn't have Oddjob's features or traits...he should have just remained focused. Imagine if Mr. Hinx later smiled and teamed up with Bond to face Spectre. I also have the same problem with May Day, suddenly becoming good and reasonable. Villains later becoming good, affects a film's tension.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,960
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.

    In what way was he ever tragic in TSWLM?

    But I do agree, his moments of menace were continually undermined by moments of silly Moore-Bond humour, which I found extremely frustrating at the time.

    He should have been portrayed like Odd Job - all business

    Exactly. He should have been Odd Job-like.

    Well the humor is what sets him apart from just being Oddjob with teeth. Why do you want them to repeat themselves?

    The thing is, Jaws just turned out to be a goofy villian in MR. He mustn't have Oddjob's features or traits...he should have just remained focused. Imagine if Mr. Hinx later smiled and teamed up with Bond to face Spectre. I also have the same problem with May Day, suddenly becoming good and reasonable. Villains later becoming good, affects a film's tension.

    I also love the May Day turn. It gives the characters a bit more life and control, imo, and makes them seem realistic. If I got screwed and left for dead by my boss, I wouldn't be so bloodthirsty for his enemies anymore. And I think your point about Villains becoming good later undermining tension only spoils the film on a subsequent viewing, because you didn't see it coming the first time. Which I like.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,663
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I never liked the Jaws character in either movie...we've been through this discussion before. In MR, as stupid as the narrative arch may be, he at least comes across as a human, instead of just a freak. I never found him really menacing in either, more of just a tragic figure providing some comic relief whenever he appears. He shouldn't have reappeared in MR, but at least there was a bit of saving grace this way.

    In what way was he ever tragic in TSWLM?

    But I do agree, his moments of menace were continually undermined by moments of silly Moore-Bond humour, which I found extremely frustrating at the time.

    He should have been portrayed like Odd Job - all business

    Exactly. He should have been Odd Job-like.

    Well the humor is what sets him apart from just being Oddjob with teeth. Why do you want them to repeat themselves?

    The thing is, Jaws just turned out to be a goofy villian in MR. He mustn't have Oddjob's features or traits...he should have just remained focused. Imagine if Mr. Hinx later smiled and teamed up with Bond to face Spectre. I also have the same problem with May Day, suddenly becoming good and reasonable. Villains later becoming good, affects a film's tension.

    I also love the May Day turn. It gives the characters a bit more life and control, imo, and makes them seem realistic. If I got screwed and left for dead by my boss, I wouldn't be so bloodthirsty for his enemies anymore. And I think your point about Villains becoming good later undermining tension only spoils the film on a subsequent viewing, because you didn't see it coming the first time. Which I like.

    Yes. True. We really don't see it coming. Well, but fair enough.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,881
    With the announcement of First Light and the teaser last week it seems the focus is all on the game. We saw snippets and it looks like it will be a banger.

    We saw a new M, a Moneypenny that seems styled after Naomi, a Q that looks like a new take. We got a new character called Greenway in the Mi6 team. The villain was hinted at being a former 00 agent. We see an Aston Martin but not in the normal silver grey of the DB-5. Some say the chess player was wearing a SPECTRE ring. Not confirmed.

    All that to say...

    Would you rather returning villains OR a new villains to battle our Bond?

    I was reminded that Jaws popped up in Everything or Nothing. We had the villains of Connery and Moore films pop up and return in Legends and GE Rogue Agent. FRWL videogame had Octopus instead of SPECTRE due to the rights issue.


    Would you rather the game feature these characters from the James Bond canon? Or should Bond face unique enemies in this new world?

Sign In or Register to comment.