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Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • 007HallY007HallY
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    The only rule that existed was that it's Bond-esque if EON does it, but it was basically a Catch-22.

    That’s a bit subjective - I’ve read plenty of people here claiming certain EON Bond films lack that ‘Bondian feel’. Ultimately they were the official makers of the franchise though, so they did have a lot of validity. And the closest to a proper Bond film aside from theirs was NSNA which I don’t think has aged well.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    007HallY wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    The only rule that existed was that it's Bond-esque if EON does it, but it was basically a Catch-22.

    That’s a bit subjective - I’ve read plenty of people here claiming certain EON Bond films lack that ‘Bondian feel’. Ultimately they were the official makers of the franchise though, so they did have a lot of validity. And the closest to a proper Bond film aside from theirs was NSNA which I don’t think has aged well.

    For a franchise based on books, people are very forgiving of EON. This doesn't mean they're more open-minded, but rather that they're more inclined to accept its rules.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    Some people aren’t really forgiving of EON though.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Some people aren’t really forgiving of EON though.

    Oh, a lot aren’t or haven’t been on this site.
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    The only rule that existed was that it's Bond-esque if EON does it, but it was basically a Catch-22.

    That’s a bit subjective - I’ve read plenty of people here claiming certain EON Bond films lack that ‘Bondian feel’. Ultimately they were the official makers of the franchise though, so they did have a lot of validity. And the closest to a proper Bond film aside from theirs was NSNA which I don’t think has aged well.

    For a franchise based on books, people are very forgiving of EON. This doesn't mean they're more open-minded, but rather that they're more inclined to accept its rules.

    I’m not sure about that on a fan level. Look at a lot of the reaction to NTTD here compared to those of viewers who aren’t as invested as much in Bond.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
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    Reflsin2bourbons wrote: »
    The point about Reichenbach, while a pertinent one, might not stand. I believe the Boothroyd letters, dated near when From Russia with Love would have been written, mention a next novel. Ian Fleming wanting to kill off Bond may be just an urban myth? I'm not confident on these facts though
    .

    I'm reminded of Fleming's letter to journalist David Chipp, written in 1957, months after FRWL was published.

    "How faithless my readers are, surely they must assume that if James Bond must one day day die, it would not be as a result of a kick in the shin"
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The maybe Dec 2027 isn't a bad time to release Bond 26, I highly doubt the further adventures of Gollum will stack up to the Return of the King. It seems like the Lord of the Rings license is being treated similar to Star Wars nowadays, throwing a lot of S### at the wall and desperately hoping for a hit, same goes for that ride to the rohirrim animated movie or the Smegol videogame from a while back. Bond 26 could crush the holiday season in 2027 but it just depends whether they can actually get things off the ground quick enough to make it happen.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    007HallY wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    The only rule that existed was that it's Bond-esque if EON does it, but it was basically a Catch-22.

    That’s a bit subjective - I’ve read plenty of people here claiming certain EON Bond films lack that ‘Bondian feel’. Ultimately they were the official makers of the franchise though, so they did have a lot of validity. And the closest to a proper Bond film aside from theirs was NSNA which I don’t think has aged well.

    AVTAK.

    That's why TLD was jarringly good two years later.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    The only rule that existed was that it's Bond-esque if EON does it, but it was basically a Catch-22.

    That’s a bit subjective - I’ve read plenty of people here claiming certain EON Bond films lack that ‘Bondian feel’. Ultimately they were the official makers of the franchise though, so they did have a lot of validity. And the closest to a proper Bond film aside from theirs was NSNA which I don’t think has aged well.

    AVTAK.

    That's why TLD was jarringly good two years later.

    Let's hope Bond 26 is jarringly good after the last one. :>
  • HitchBondUSAHitchBondUSA USA
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    The maybe Dec 2027 isn't a bad time to release Bond 26, I highly doubt the further adventures of Gollum will stack up to the Return of the King. It seems like the Lord of the Rings license is being treated similar to Star Wars nowadays, throwing a lot of S### at the wall and desperately hoping for a hit, same goes for that ride to the rohirrim animated movie or the Smegol videogame from a while back. Bond 26 could crush the holiday season in 2027 but it just depends whether they can actually get things off the ground quick enough to make it happen.

    I saw don't rush it you want to start off good with all the uncertainty I want a good film
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 27 Posts: 18,249
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Martin Campbell says Bond 26 is two to three years away.
    Martin, who directed both Casino Royale and GoldenEye, told The Mirror: 'I think it'll be two years away, three years away.'

    He said: 'Is there going to be another Bond? That's the question. There's this legal thing right now. And they have this problem with Amazon. It's sort of the same thing.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14412487/James-Bond-fans-THREE-years-legal-issues.html

    He says "legal thing." I don't know if he means Amazon or Eon are going to litigate or in litigation due to the impasse (no media mention of a lawsuit) or maybe "legal thing" is issues over the direction they want to take.

    It's possible Martin Campbell is referring to the lawsuit by some businessman regarding copyright of Bond. It was reported a few days ago.
    Austrian property developer Josef Kleindienst has filed for control of Bond copyrights due to non-use in Europe and the U.K. Under the law, the protection of a copyright can be challenged if the copyright has not been put to use in the areas it protects for five years. There are multiple copyrights at issue, including the name James Bond as well as the 007 moniker.

    I don't think that would impact Bond 26. Seems a nonsensical lawsuit.

    Goldeneye took six years to arrive due to a 1990 lawsuit.

    Some more about this weird lawsuit story:


    James Bond franchise owners request more time to defend control of 007 spy name


    The owners of the multibillion-pound James Bond franchise have requested more time to mount their defence to keep control of the super spy’s name in Europe, after a legal challenge to their trademark rights across a range of goods and services.


    What I'm curious about is it mentions Danjaq as being the ones filing for more time: are they still the owners of Bond then? Is the report mistaken? Or are we in some sort of weird flux time where the Bond rights are being handed over to the 'new venture'?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Does a legal suit prohibit them from proceeding with Bond 26? Because that's how I take Campbells statement, if he's referring to the same thing.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    There's nothing legally stopping them from making Bond during the lawsuit, but they may not want to risk millions of dollars on a name they may not end up owning so they could wait it out.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    If lack of use is a problem, then use it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    If lack of use is a problem, then use it.

    Well, there's always the videogame.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    If lack of use is a problem, then use it.

    Well, there's always the videogame.

    And the second series of that reality show, unless it's been shelved.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Just when we thought we were out of the woods, they pull us back in! Campbell seems to think this has to be resolved BEFORE things will move ahead.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited May 27 Posts: 1,975
    With all due respect, Campbell in all likelihood has no idea what he's talking about. I'm not worried. They continuously use the branding in 25 published films on a streaming service and on VOD, a live service, they use it for TV, they use it on social media, they use it for a web store, they use it for an in-development film project (Heyman and Pascal's film), etc. etc. etc.

    "Bond, James Bond" is the only specific thing that may not be used particularly often, but they'd probably just have to sell a pillow with the quote on it to get around this guy.

    The Dubai developer who is suing is not even trying to make anything out of his claim, except branding and probably merchandising, and maybe a theme park? I can't imagine what he has in mind, but it's not a movie, which means his argument is probably bogus to a logical judge. Bond is an empire, to claim otherwise is ridiculous. Eon is annually a multi-million dollar business for a reason.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    The challenge will go nowhere.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I think one of the things I’d most like to hear is the James Bond theme.
    It’s been sadly missing from the Craig era and even part of the Brosnan films too.

    It’s something I sorely miss. It doesn’t have to be over used , but in a big action set piece I really like to hear the Bond theme used.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    I wonder if Amazon even have a script yet
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    I wonder if Amazon even have a script yet

    Most likely no. And why would they? We don't even have an official announcment of writers yet, as was said above.

    I mean, I'm sure they're thinking about story direction and who they'll pick to write.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's literally been a matter of weeks and the producers have other projects on the go too; at this stage when Eon were running it they'd barely got home from all the premieres.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    Benny wrote: »
    I think one of the things I’d most like to hear is the James Bond theme.
    It’s been sadly missing from the Craig era and even part of the Brosnan films too.

    It’s something I sorely miss. It doesn’t have to be over used , but in a big action set piece I really like to hear the Bond theme used.

    The Brosnan films? How so?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Reflsin2bourbons wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    I think one of the things I’d most like to hear is the James Bond theme.
    It’s been sadly missing from the Craig era and even part of the Brosnan films too.

    It’s something I sorely miss. It doesn’t have to be over used , but in a big action set piece I really like to hear the Bond theme used.

    The Brosnan films? How so?

    TWINE and DAD don’t have a lot of the Bond theme from memory.
    Aside from the boat chase and credits.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    According to this video Die Another Day has as much Bond theme as the first Craig movies combined together, and it is way less subtle than it is in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    The bit I always remember from TWINE is the Bond theme blaring after he shoots the canister/shoots up the missile solo. Always find it unironically a really cool Bond moment.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    TWINE also has loads of the Bond theme, not only the boat chase but in cues like the Bilbao Bank scene, Body Double, Caviar Factory, Submarine, Christmas in Turkey as well as the intro scenes for both Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 30 Posts: 18,249
    We were talking in the Golden Gun score thread about how we often associate the big brassy big of the theme playing while Bond is doing some big and audacious bit of action onscreen; but apart from the old Dr No recording popping up in YOLT and OHMSS, that doesn't actually happen all the way until Spy Who Loved Me, 17 years in.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mtm wrote: »
    We were talking in the Golden Gun score thread about how we often associate the big brassy big of the theme playing while Bond is doing some big and audacious bit of action onscreen; but apart from the old Dr No recording popping up in YOLT and OHMSS, that doesn't actually happen all the way until Spy Who Loved Me, 17 years in.

    We're overdue.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited May 30 Posts: 1,975
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    We were talking in the Golden Gun score thread about how we often associate the big brassy big of the theme playing while Bond is doing some big and audacious bit of action onscreen; but apart from the old Dr No recording popping up in YOLT and OHMSS, that doesn't actually happen all the way until Spy Who Loved Me, 17 years in.

    We're overdue.

    This handy website lets you play two youtube videos at once, if anybody wants to play the Bond theme over various Bond action over the years. I kind of don't mind the OHMSS thunder coming in the stairwell scene in NTTD, otherwise I think the Bond theme would work well there. That and the DB5 scene in that movie.

    https://viewsync.net/
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