Would you rather watch DAD (56%) OR TWINE (51%)? Rotten Tomato Ranking battles!

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,605
    TND.
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
    Posts: 2,619
    MR
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited May 26 Posts: 3,904
    Here's the thing.....

    I'm actually conflicted towards the Brosnan Era because in the beginning, it's okay, and TWINE happened to be my most re-watchable of his films (not my favorite, only my go to watch when it comes to his tenure), but as time goes by, I find myself watching his films lesser and lesser, now, it depends upon my mood.

    Moore Era, MR is actually my favorite film from his Bond and that's saying something because unlike Brosnan, it's been well known here that I'm not a fan of the Moore Era, so, MR is the only film of him that I've enjoyed and liked, the rest are not (just not a fan).

    It's hard, but if you ask me today, in this exact time which Bond film would I rather watch? I'll go with MR, while I may not be a fan of Moore, I could watch MR anyday of the week, Brosnan is fine for me as Bond, the problem is, his films are low on rewatchability.

    Brosnan Bond Films were fine, in terms of quality, those are better than the Moore Era (Yes, I would rather have anything on Die Another Day than to see Grandpa Moore hitting the edges in A View To A Kill), but his films were not something that I could put on in any mood, TND is fine, but I've seen MR many times than TND, it's the rewatchability factor, and for how the Brosnan Bond films are well made, they're low on that aspect.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,835
    For those scoring at home MR is #19 on the Rotten Tomato list and TND is of course #20. They do have the un-official mixed in so MR is actually #18 and TND is #19 of the official movies.

    For the first time our next battle will be a battle of the same Bond actor in two of his movies squaring off. All other match-ups were different Bond actors.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,380
    Moonraker 100% to TND at 80%. MR wins for me!
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,835
    Wow both films got some love. I consider TND my guilty pleasure Bond movie. Sure it has a recycled plot to some degree. I love Brosnan in it. Pryce is an interesting if cartoonish villain. I love some of the action and the stunts here. I would put that in my player.

    I really enjoy the car chase through the parking garage. So much fun and light touches there. Though the ending when Bond risks killing civilians to land in the window of the office was not a great choice as a capper.

  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,894
    thedove wrote: »
    Wow both films got some love. I consider TND my guilty pleasure Bond movie. Sure it has a recycled plot to some degree. I love Brosnan in it. Pryce is an interesting if cartoonish villain. I love some of the action and the stunts here. I would put that in my player.

    I really enjoy the car chase through the parking garage. So much fun and light touches there. Though the ending when Bond risks killing civilians to land in the window of the office was not a great choice as a capper.

    He honks! Worth it for the Avis return joke imo.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,835
    All right, good stuff! Lets move on to a battle of the Brozza's!

    Would you rather watch DAD (56%) OR TWINE (51%)?

    Very interesting that DAD is ranked ahead of TWINE in Rotten Tomatoes.

    DAD a big film for the 40th anniversary. Strengths include Brosnan playing the role with effortless cool and suaveness. We have an Oscar winner starring as the leading lady and doing so well EON almost considered a spin-off movie. We have some touches of all the films running through the movie.

    Rotten Tomatoes says Its action may be bit too over-the-top for some, but Die Another Day is lavishly crafted and succeeds in evoking classic Bond themes from the franchise's earlier installments.

    OR

    TWINE which was the film that laid some of the foundation for the Craig era. We have M deeply involved in the plot and out in the field. Bond showing some vulnerability for the villain. Yes a female villain for the first time in the series. This film tries to bring in the relationship and drama of the Craig era.

    Rotten Tomatoes says Plagued by mediocre writing, uneven acting, and a fairly by-the-numbers plot, The World Is Not Enough is partially saved by some entertaining and truly Bond-worthy action sequences.

    So which film is getting played on your screen?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,732
    DAD. It's more entertaining, even the preposterous moments and lines.
  • edited May 27 Posts: 2,005
    DAD.

    Yes, it's a fun movie that knows what it wants to be.

    TWINE is OK, but Apted was not a good choice. Why didn't they hire someone like Roger Donaldson?


  • TWINE is my second favorite Brosnan film (not a high bar to clear for me, though) whereas DAD is my least favorite of the whole Bond canon, so it’s any easy choice. Even though it’s not always successful, I appreciate TWINE’s more dramatic aspirations compared to Brosnan’s other films.A very good Sophie Marceau and the fun Thames boat setpiece also help elevate this one a bit. The one area where DAD excels over TWINE (and TND) is that it’s not utterly drab to look at. Not a visual splendor to be sure, but Brosnan’s middle two films look so washed-out and the production design does little to class things up.
  • Posts: 12,689
    TWINE, but they're both two of the very weakest.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,647
    Both films are in my bottom 3, but I give DAD the edge because it’s more colorful, has some legitimately well made set pieces early on, and it helps that the writing of the Bond character is not only better but so is Brosnan’s performance being IMO his very best in the role.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited May 27 Posts: 341
    DAD should never be rated higher than any Bond movie. Rotten Tomatoes proving once again it deserves to be pulped.

    DAD doesn't belong in the 'so bad it's good' genre. It's not even bad. It's actually just completely shit and the people who accrue any pleasure out of it deserve Milton Krest's demise.

    Does anyone else notice how it and SF complement each other?

    Twine is also shit yet curiously rated as some
    sort of misunderstood masterpiece. It dies whenever Bond shows 'depth' by touching Elektra's face on television. He breathes like a demented pervert.

    Going with Denise Richards and the mute button.

    Ehhhhhhhh
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 341
    'Rotten Tomatoes says Its action may be bit too over-the-top for some, but Die Another Day is lavishly crafted and succeeds in evoking classic Bond themes from the franchise's earlier installments.'

    Seriously.

    I mean....
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,732
    DAD should never be rated higher than any Bond movie. Rotten Tomatoes proving once again it deserves to be pulped.

    DAD doesn't belong in the 'so bad it's good' genre. It's not even bad. It's actually just completely shit and the people who accrue any pleasure out of it deserve Milton Krest's demise.

    Does anyone else notice how it and SF complement each other?

    Twine is also shit yet curiously rated as some
    sort of misunderstood masterpiece. It dies whenever Bond shows 'depth' by touching Elektra's face on television. He breathes like a demented pervert.

    Going with Denise Richards and the mute button.

    Ehhhhhhhh

    LOL to your post! Can you please review all the Bond films this way?
  • Posts: 5,292
    DAD for me. Neither are great and somewhat miscalculated, but TWINE is much less thrilling for me, even if I can appreciate what it was trying to do.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,259
    A choice between cancer and polio... Just to be in line with my usual ranking, which has been putting DAD as dead last and TWINE just one notch above it, I'll have to say TWINE. But I don't have to actually watch it, do I? Can I offer three viewings of AVTAK and two of OP as a compensation that won't hurt too much?
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited May 27 Posts: 341
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    A choice between cancer and polio... Just to be in line with my usual ranking, which has been putting DAD as dead last and TWINE just one notch above it, I'll have to say TWINE. But I don't have to actually watch it, do I? Can I offer three viewings of AVTAK and two of OP as a compensation that won't hurt too much?

    I'd take AVTAK and Octopussy thrice daily just for the intuitive improvisation.

    Watched AVTAK the other week and realised the cast, academy award winning Walken included, bark their monotonous lines out with such impressive gusto, I think it should be reassessed as a masterpiece.

    Seriously, stop whatever you are doing or touching and go watch it back right now. Every line deserves an exclamation mark, so it is enunciated!

    Some corkers:

    Zorin: If you're the best they've got, they're more likely to try and cover up your embarrassing incompetence!

    Bond: Yes, Minister. a burst in outer space over the UK and everything with a microchip in it, from, well, the modern toaster to the most sophisticated computers in our defence systems would be rendered absolutely useless!

    Freddy: We'd be paralysed at Russian's mercy!

    Mayday and Zorin (a serial offender): What a view....to a kill!

    M: What did you learn from Aubergine before his untimely demise?!

    Just class.





  • Posts: 2,549
    I’d go for TWINE but really I could put either one on and enjoy it.
  • Posts: 8,258
    A choice of being shot or stabbed!!
    DAD will forever be known as worst ever Bond movie , so I suppose if you put a gun to my head ( if Brossa was on the trigger, he'd still miss!!)
    So TWINE it is.. for Sophie anyway!
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,975
    There is a popular online "gif" from TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE (2004) that best represents my feelings about DAD. However, I refrain from posting it since some of you may be eating or have weak stomachs!

    TWINE it is.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited May 27 Posts: 4,615
    So far:

    GF (99%) OR FRWL (97%)
    DN (95%) OR Casino Royale (94%)
    SF (92%) OR TB (85%)
    NTTD (83%) or TSWLM (82%)
    OHMSS (81%) OR GE (80%)
    LTK (79%) OR YOLT (73%)
    TLD (71%) OR FYEO (69%)
    LALD (67%) OR QOS (63%)
    DAF (64%) OR SP (63%)
    MR (59%) OR TND (57%)
    DAD (56%) OR TWINE (51%)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,259
    M_Balje wrote: »
    So far:
    (deleted for this response)

    Doesn't help much...most of the losers in the first 10 rounds are much, MUCH better than the winner in this one. Not surprisingly, of course.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited May 27 Posts: 8,647
    Does anyone else notice how it and SF complement each other?

    You couldn’t help yourself huh?
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,269
    thedove wrote: »
    Would you rather watch DAD (56%) OR TWINE (51%)?

    Very interesting that DAD is ranked ahead of TWINE in Rotten Tomatoes.

    Indeed. I'm happy to see that yet sad that this means both of them currently have better scores than OP and TMWTGG.

    Anyway my vote is for the less pretentious and more enjoyable of Brosnan's final two 007 adventures: DAD

  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,835
    I remember at the time of TND it was felt it was too shoot'em up style. That it was too heavy into machine guns and blasting things. I can't recall if it was Pierce or the producers but the edict was issued that the next film would go back to Bond using his wits to escape situations and more emphasis on character and story. They hired Apted thinking he would be the perfect director to bring their reality to the screen.

    DAD was a throw everything but the kitchen sink in it. I see this film and YOLT being similar. Balls to the wall for jamming lots into the movie. In YOLT's case it was seen as a last hurrah for Connery. Brosnan wasn't seen to be going anywhere. I think the film makers went a bit too into the nostalgia route with all the call backs to the other films. Elements of the novel MR were snatched and retconned in. The film was a box office success. But the producers realized that going so big meant only one thing, it was time to get back to a more grounded Bond film adventure.

    I say all of this because while both are flawed I am not as dismissive of both films. These two wouldn't be the bottom for me, I might have them about where they fit here. Towards the bottom but certainly not the worst.

    If I am choosing which one to watch I am likely choosing DAD. I enjoy it for what it is. Silly fun and entertaining. Is it dated in certain aspects? Sure. Does it all work? Nope. But overall a good time.
  • Posts: 16,515
    TWINE Rotten Tomatoes is rubbish.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,904
    TWINE used to be my most go to watch Brosnan Bond film, but as time goes by, it gets lesser and lesser for me in terms of rewatchability, at the beginning, it's interesting, but I've noticed the slow pacing of the film in subsequent watches, I've just stopped, meanwhile, DAD, for its flaws is more easier to digest, just fun and the pacing is quick that for how bad it is, it would leave you satisfied and just happy, it's high in entertainment value, TWINE just plods all the way through the end, some scenes could've been cut, and if DAD have some unrealistic moments, then it's fine I guess because that's what that film is aiming to be, typical like Moonraker of Bond going to space with some lasers.
    But for a film that's trying to take itself seriously like TWINE to combine some silly plotholes (Bond fixing his ties underwater and how the heck did Bond held his breath underwater for that long in the climax?) It just doesn't sit right.

    There's a difference between a film that's not taking itself seriously (DAD) and a film with so many flaws even it tried so hard to pretend that it's an Arthouse film, in short, pretentious (TWINE).

    Just thrown my Two Cents at this.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited 5:18am Posts: 7,523
    I have no problem admitting I enjoy both of them.

    DAD is preposterous and some of the quips here are so juvenile they're hard to stomach. Having said that I like the pts, the Hong Kong hotel scenes, the Cuba segment, the fencing duel and much of the ice palace segment as well (incl de car chase). Also, that Raoul guy is one of my favourite allies.

    TWINE was my first Bond film and I loved it then and still love it now. Sophie Marceau is amazing in every sense of the word and she is a favourite of mine, both in as well as outside the world of Bond. I think the plot is well-written and the action is mostly very well-done too. TWINE strikes a good balance between being a fun film while it also tries something new. And I like Denise, sorry folks.

    The late Brosnan era is much derided by many, and I can see why. Both have their issues, but I can find much in them that I enjoy and I am after all trying to be honest here. Speaking of being honest, I'll admit I am also nostalgic towards TWINE-DAD, I was about 11 to 13 when I saw these films and they were my gateway to the world of Bond. So if I wouldn't have liked TWINE as much as I did, I might not have discovered what are now absolute favourites such as OHMSS, TLD or LTK ;)

    Edit, still needed to answer the question, TWINE for me.
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