Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    EON should post the following thing on instagram once April Fool's day is over:

    "BOND 26. COMING SOON"

    Just to build the hype. 😎
    Why would they post a lie after April Fools Day?
    It better not be. :-w
    “Coming Soon” would imply the film would be released this year or next and that’s not gonna happen.
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    If the new rumors are anywhere accurate it should be interesting times. I can only imagine what previous Bond film they want to remake.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,121
    delfloria wrote: »
    If the new rumors are anywhere accurate it should be interesting times. I can only imagine what previous Bond film they want to remake.

    I'd say Goldfinger, but they did that quite a bit with A View to a Kill! Also, EON has tried to remake modern day versions of On Her Majesty's Secret Service and License To Kill. It could be anyone of them!
  • edited April 1 Posts: 2,954
    mtm wrote: »
    It’s quite fun to think which continuation novel/game/comic you’d adapt into a film if you had to pick from one or two.

    I’d be up for them taking broad ideas from Forever and A Day. Not a strict adaptation, or even a loose one (I’m actually not a fan of it, even if I find a lot of the ideas interesting) but adapted in a similar way to how the Craig films took ideas from the Fleming novels and used them to form their own stories. Same maybe for Benson’s High Time to Kill (although I find the story of that one a bit more interesting).

    Ultimately though, I think it’s best they stick more or less to Fleming in some form.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,987
    Yes Forever and A Day has some of the more original ideas and feels a bit more of a story for Bond than most. I do think most of the films have more interesting plots than most books though: if, say, TWINE had been a novel I think we'd be crying out to see it on screen. Even DAD, for that matter.
  • edited April 1 Posts: 2,954
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes Forever and A Day has some of the more original ideas and feels a bit more of a story for Bond than most. I do think most of the films have more interesting plots than most books though: if, say, TWINE had been a novel I think we'd be crying out to see it on screen. Even DAD, for that matter.

    Absolutely, agreed. Same for SF. I do think the unique ideas of all those films come from having one foot in the door with Fleming. SF couldn’t exist without YOLT for instance, and there’s so much of MR in DAD.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,987
    Yes that’s true, they’re adaptations to some extent already. The ideas for settings and set pieces are always very original though, and I’d say something like the last act of SF would stand out as being significantly unlike anything else if it were in a book.
    It’s funny how the books are much more often the formulaic and slightly straightforward adventure plots whereas the recent films are often more dramatic and get into Bond’s head more, where you might expect the opposite. With A Mind To Kill being an exception.
  • Posts: 1,525
    Nothing needs to be remade. Move on to the next continuation authors. Pillage those stories as the producers did with most of Fleming's work. Do we really need another variation of a Fleming story? That way we don't have to endure the inevitable disappointment of a remake compared to the original film. What would a remake of GF bring? A CGI extravaganza of gold and explosions?

    As for big name stars in the next Bond film, also not needed. A great relatively unknown character actor comes without inflated expectations.

  • Posts: 511
    I think a few important things are important to keep in mind:

    - The tabloids are fake
    - They've done "remakes" before ("The Spy Who Loved Me"/"Tomorrow Never Dies" comes to mind) as well as repeating basic beats
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They (likely) don't have the rights to continuation novels
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They are more than capable of doing original plots/narrative
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They've readapted bits of Fleming forever and always will
    - The tabloids are fake
  • Posts: 2,954
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Nothing needs to be remade. Move on to the next continuation authors. Pillage those stories as the producers did with most of Fleming's work. Do we really need another variation of a Fleming story? That way we don't have to endure the inevitable disappointment of a remake compared to the original film. What would a remake of GF bring? A CGI extravaganza of gold and explosions?

    As for big name stars in the next Bond film, also not needed. A great relatively unknown character actor comes without inflated expectations.

    The producers never pillaged or have even fully adapted Fleming’s work in the modern era. It’s not as simple as that.

    Look close and you’ll see things like Bond’s character progression in SF - it’s essentially taken from YOLT. Bond recovers from being a PTSD ridden alcoholic. He even ‘dies’ in the film and the villain is overcome by his own madness. It’s a very loose but clever adaptation. There’s very similar stuff through the Brosnan era.

    As you said nothing needs to be ‘remade’. That’s not been the case with Bond/the novels for a long time now. But the Fleming novels do need to be understood. At their best I actually think EON do understand them.
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    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 2 Posts: 23,562
    BMB007 wrote: »
    I think a few important things are important to keep in mind:

    - The tabloids are fake
    - They've done "remakes" before ("The Spy Who Loved Me"/"Tomorrow Never Dies" comes to mind) as well as repeating basic beats
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They (likely) don't have the rights to continuation novels
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They are more than capable of doing original plots/narrative
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They've readapted bits of Fleming forever and always will
    - The tabloids are fake

    Very good points, @BMB007. Thank you.
    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.

    Correct, @Colonel_Venus, but the odds are against them.
  • Posts: 731
    BMB007 wrote: »
    I think a few important things are important to keep in mind:

    - The tabloids are fake
    - They've done "remakes" before ("The Spy Who Loved Me"/"Tomorrow Never Dies" comes to mind) as well as repeating basic beats
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They (likely) don't have the rights to continuation novels
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They are more than capable of doing original plots/narrative
    - The tabloids are fake
    - They've readapted bits of Fleming forever and always will
    - The tabloids are fake

    They didn't have the rights to Casino Royale or Thunderball. Imagine the Craig era without these rights.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited April 2 Posts: 2,934
    A bullet leads Bond to an island encounter with a master assassin. SF or TMWTGG? That's probably how they'll 'remake' things in future - more of a re-working than an overt remake. I don't mind those elements in the mix, tbh.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    Posts: 739
    Venutius wrote: »
    A bullet leads Bond to an island encounter with a master assassin. SF or TMWTGG? That's probably how they'll 'remake' things in future - more of a re-working than an overt remake. I don't mind those elements in the mix, tbh.

    A retired James Bond is called back into the business and teams up with a new 007 to stop a diabolical mastermind, meets his own daughter along the way, then dies at the end in a big explosion... No Time to Die was a pretty good stab at remaking the 1967 version of Casino Royale, but it could have done with a bit more Burt Bacharach, imo.
  • edited April 2 Posts: 104
    A retired James Bond is called back into the business and teams up with a new 007 to stop a diabolical mastermind, meets his own daughter along the way, then dies at the end in a big explosion...

    Sounds awful. Hopefully such a movie will never be made. 😁😉

    On a more serious note, I think it probably would be the best way to start the next era with a movie who has a good balance from all known elements of the Bond movies: Suspense, action, exotic locations and humor. It certainly would be wrong making a movie as over the top as DAD or MR, but it certainly would be wrong to make a very serious movie in the vein of LTK, OHMSS or most of the Craig movies now too. I don't need a Craig 2.0 at this point.
    I think a movie in the vein of TLD could be the best way to start a new era: A (relatively) grounded plot with some suspense and drama, but still with enough action, humor and gadgets.
  • Posts: 511
    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.

    Remember those lessons in school about vetting sources and evaluating their credibility? Those skills are important.
  • edited April 2 Posts: 487
    BMB007 wrote: »
    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.

    Remember those lessons in school about vetting sources and evaluating their credibility? Those skills are important.

    Bingo. Could not agree more. Instead of automatically dismissing any rumour posted by tabloids, people need to evaluate rumours posted by tabloids on a case by case basis.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,983
    I would like to see a story that is rooted real, current, world but has the potential for something more grandiose.

    Recently there has been more attention given to what has been labeled the "Havana Syndrome"; it has been described as,

    A mysterious illness that has caused U.S. diplomats to suffer from symptoms consistent with head trauma may be linked to possible “sonic attacks” by a Russian intelligence unit.

    Havana syndrome was first reported by U.S. embassy officials in the Cuban capital of Havana in 2016, when they began experiencing extreme headaches and hearing piercing sounds at night. Since that incident, there have been more than 1,000 reported cases affecting U.S. government employees across the world.


    Something like this would be perfect for a Bond adventure. Bond is tasked with finding the real origins of a similar technology which to this point has been used for individual attacks; as the story unfolds he uncovers the ultimate goal, a weapon that could be used on entire armies, cities, countries or continents


    If they want to avoid making the Russians the villains, the groundwork could be laid for a SPECTRE like organization that would be revealed in future films

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68706317

    This is a promo for an excellent 60 minutes investigation on the "Havana Syndrome"



  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    Posts: 739
    talos7 wrote: »
    I would like to see a story that is rooted real, current, world but has the potential for something more grandiose.

    Recently there has been more attention given to what has been labeled the "Havana Syndrome"; it has been described as,

    A mysterious illness that has caused U.S. diplomats to suffer from symptoms consistent with head trauma may be linked to possible “sonic attacks” by a Russian intelligence unit.

    Havana syndrome was first reported by U.S. embassy officials in the Cuban capital of Havana in 2016, when they began experiencing extreme headaches and hearing piercing sounds at night. Since that incident, there have been more than 1,000 reported cases affecting U.S. government employees across the world.


    Something like this would be perfect for a Bond adventure. Bond is tasked with finding the real origins of a similar technology which to this point has been used for individual attacks; as the story unfolds he uncovers the ultimate goal, a weapon that could be used on entire armies, cities, countries or continents


    If they want to avoid making the Russians the villains, the groundwork could be laid for a SPECTRE like organization that would be revealed in future films

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68706317

    This is a promo for an excellent 60 minutes investigation on the "Havana Syndrome"



    Ooh, that is really interesting. With Putin nothing is too ridiculous, though as you say, we probably don't want to poke that particular bear, so some sort of Spectre-like agency would probably be the way to go.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,983
    The full 60 minutes story is really well done. There will be a film based on this; it's a threat that exist, whatever the source, that could be taken to the next step without seeming like science fiction. It's perfect for Bond
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited April 2 Posts: 652
    Havana Syndrome reminds me of the Hum.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hum
    A Bond movie where he investigates some type of unexplained phenomena would be interesting, provided it doesn't get too "X Files."
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,434
    Hello - just watched the author of the James Bond Archive book talk about Fukunaga directing two scenes at once for NTTD at one point - the Jeffrey Wright boat scene with Chris Corbould, and then he allegedly was also directing the second unit at a remote location shooting the Spectre party deaths via remote monitors and radio.

    To me this is very interesting, because I've seen many argue that Bond movies have to be careful to not be directed by two parties: director for drama and second unit for action. It needs to be cohesive. I think they now will likely go for something like the NTTD setup in the future, meaning:

    1. shooting multiple scenes/setups literally at once
    2. having the director have oversight of every setup and shot, either in person or remotely from another set

    I'm sure it's mentally taxing to try to be in two different parts of the story at once, but I could see them doing this to get more done, and give their directors the final creative control they likely want, all with everyone being able to be on the same page simultaneously (as Michael and Barbara are famously also typically looking at the monitors).
  • edited April 2 Posts: 511
    BMB007 wrote: »
    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.

    Remember those lessons in school about vetting sources and evaluating their credibility? Those skills are important.

    Bingo. Could not agree more. Instead of automatically dismissing any rumour posted by tabloids, people need to evaluate rumours posted by tabloids on a case by case basis.

    That's not my point at all.

    The tabloids are universally not reputable for a variety of self-evident reasons. Anyone incapable of seeing that is either ignorant (fine) or obtuse (not fine).

  • Posts: 487
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.

    Remember those lessons in school about vetting sources and evaluating their credibility? Those skills are important.

    Bingo. Could not agree more. Instead of automatically dismissing any rumour posted by tabloids, people need to evaluate rumours posted by tabloids on a case by case basis.

    That's not my point at all.

    The tabloids are universally not reputable for a variety of self-evident reasons. Anyone incapable of seeing that is either ignorant (fine) or obtuse (not fine).
    Did you time travel here from the early 2010s, the time before people learned the name Baz Bamigboye??
  • edited April 2 Posts: 511
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    @BMB007 the tabloids sometimes aren’t fake though.

    Remember those lessons in school about vetting sources and evaluating their credibility? Those skills are important.

    Bingo. Could not agree more. Instead of automatically dismissing any rumour posted by tabloids, people need to evaluate rumours posted by tabloids on a case by case basis.

    That's not my point at all.

    The tabloids are universally not reputable for a variety of self-evident reasons. Anyone incapable of seeing that is either ignorant (fine) or obtuse (not fine).
    Did you time travel here from the early 2010s, the time before people learned the name Baz Bamigboye??

    Someone who got hired by a legitimate publication, because he does legitimate work? That's proving my point — he left for an outlet with credibility to grow his career. There is a hard ceiling on anyone working at a publication with shoddy standards.

    This conversation, like many others in this thread, serves no more purpose.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,985
    Venutius wrote: »
    A bullet leads Bond to an island encounter with a master assassin. SF or TMWTGG? That's probably how they'll 'remake' things in future - more of a re-working than an overt remake. I don't mind those elements in the mix, tbh.

    A retired James Bond is called back into the business and teams up with a new 007 to stop a diabolical mastermind, meets his own daughter along the way, then dies at the end in a big explosion... No Time to Die was a pretty good stab at remaking the 1967 version of Casino Royale, but it could have done with a bit more Burt Bacharach, imo.

    You can never have enough Bacharach.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,520
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Hello - just watched the author of the James Bond Archive book talk about Fukunaga directing two scenes at once for NTTD at one point - the Jeffrey Wright boat scene with Chris Corbould, and then he allegedly was also directing the second unit at a remote location shooting the Spectre party deaths via remote monitors and radio.

    To me this is very interesting, because I've seen many argue that Bond movies have to be careful to not be directed by two parties: director for drama and second unit for action. It needs to be cohesive. I think they now will likely go for something like the NTTD setup in the future, meaning:

    1. shooting multiple scenes/setups literally at once
    2. having the director have oversight of every setup and shot, either in person or remotely from another set

    I'm sure it's mentally taxing to try to be in two different parts of the story at once, but I could see them doing this to get more done, and give their directors the final creative control they likely want, all with everyone being able to be on the same page simultaneously (as Michael and Barbara are famously also typically looking at the monitors).

    That's really interesting, I can only imagine how tough it must be to direct one important intricate scene in a big film, let alone two at once.

    I've read Some Kind Of Hero, but I still haven't read the James Bond Archive book yet, is it worth buying?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,434
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Hello - just watched the author of the James Bond Archive book talk about Fukunaga directing two scenes at once for NTTD at one point - the Jeffrey Wright boat scene with Chris Corbould, and then he allegedly was also directing the second unit at a remote location shooting the Spectre party deaths via remote monitors and radio.

    To me this is very interesting, because I've seen many argue that Bond movies have to be careful to not be directed by two parties: director for drama and second unit for action. It needs to be cohesive. I think they now will likely go for something like the NTTD setup in the future, meaning:

    1. shooting multiple scenes/setups literally at once
    2. having the director have oversight of every setup and shot, either in person or remotely from another set

    I'm sure it's mentally taxing to try to be in two different parts of the story at once, but I could see them doing this to get more done, and give their directors the final creative control they likely want, all with everyone being able to be on the same page simultaneously (as Michael and Barbara are famously also typically looking at the monitors).

    That's really interesting, I can only imagine how tough it must be to direct one important intricate scene in a big film, let alone two at once.

    I've read Some Kind Of Hero, but I still haven't read the James Bond Archive book yet, is it worth buying?

    I plan on getting it eventually. For now, I watch the unboxing videos. Haha.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited April 3 Posts: 2,520
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Hello - just watched the author of the James Bond Archive book talk about Fukunaga directing two scenes at once for NTTD at one point - the Jeffrey Wright boat scene with Chris Corbould, and then he allegedly was also directing the second unit at a remote location shooting the Spectre party deaths via remote monitors and radio.

    To me this is very interesting, because I've seen many argue that Bond movies have to be careful to not be directed by two parties: director for drama and second unit for action. It needs to be cohesive. I think they now will likely go for something like the NTTD setup in the future, meaning:

    1. shooting multiple scenes/setups literally at once
    2. having the director have oversight of every setup and shot, either in person or remotely from another set

    I'm sure it's mentally taxing to try to be in two different parts of the story at once, but I could see them doing this to get more done, and give their directors the final creative control they likely want, all with everyone being able to be on the same page simultaneously (as Michael and Barbara are famously also typically looking at the monitors).

    That's really interesting, I can only imagine how tough it must be to direct one important intricate scene in a big film, let alone two at once.

    I've read Some Kind Of Hero, but I still haven't read the James Bond Archive book yet, is it worth buying?

    I plan on getting it eventually. For now, I watch the unboxing videos. Haha.

    Haha that's a genius to be fair. I might not enjoy NTTD, but I'd like to know more about the film and certain decisions behind the scenes
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