Where does Bond go after Craig?

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    delfloria wrote: »
    A new interview with Broccoli/Wilson indicates that they are looking for a multi film deal with the next Bond actor. Will each be a stand alone or will they be chapters of a larger arch? Which would you prefer?

    If Baz’s recent-ish article is accurate, we’re getting more connected adventures again. I’d much prefer standalone pieces but if it’s another arc they pursue, I just hope it’s well thought out and well executed.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    A new interview with Broccoli/Wilson indicates that they are looking for a multi film deal with the next Bond actor. Will each be a stand alone or will they be chapters of a larger arch? Which would you prefer?

    If Baz’s recent-ish article is accurate, we’re getting more connected adventures again. I’d much prefer standalone pieces but if it’s another arc they pursue, I just hope it’s well thought out and well executed.

    +1 this
    I enjoyed the connected story arc but I just wish they had mapped it out more from the start
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    There's no telling what lies ahead. Including they plan on a defined story arc, and based on events they create standalone missions.

    Can't divine now which would have a better result.

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    A new interview with Broccoli/Wilson indicates that they are looking for a multi film deal with the next Bond actor. Will each be a stand alone or will they be chapters of a larger arch? Which would you prefer?

    If Baz’s recent-ish article is accurate, we’re getting more connected adventures again. I’d much prefer standalone pieces but if it’s another arc they pursue, I just hope it’s well thought out and well executed.

    +1 this
    I enjoyed the connected story arc but I just wish they had mapped it out more from the start

    I agree, keep the same directors and writers down for the projects, or people who have similar styles and ideas. Don’t necessarily make the next movie at the same time, but don’t cramp it all together, EON.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
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    Revelator wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Continuity in the Bond franchise likely just comes down to how confident they are audiences will accept their actor.

    I think back then it was also based on the feeling that the role was bigger than any actor playing it. And 30+ years ago audiences weren't so familiar with the concept of "reboots" and cared less about strict continuity. Now people do because franchises keep rebooting and strictly demarcating their continuities, as in comic book films where Marvel maintains a tight sprawling continuity and DC keeps restarting theirs with characters like Batman.

    Also, in the '60s and '70s no one ever imagined that any consumer could ever actually possess a copy of the film, to rewatch and study at leisure. The thought was, "That was a year or two ago, who's going to remember anything?" ABC didn't begin airing the films until 1972, and even then you needed to wait at least a year for each film to come up again in the rotation. And you couldn't record it. VCRs weren't common until the '80s.
  • Posts: 1,571
    You've triggered some memories. ABC went for the big opening splash, with GF first. They did not present them in order of Release. Horribly, though, when they showed OHMSS they split it over two nights, and re-edited it. It started mid-film, then gave us a "flashback" until it caught up. WTF ??? Did ABC think that film needed "help" and SO WHAT IF THEY DID !!! Did the producers have NO pride in their work ? People carp about the current producers and %*&$ and moan about recent Bond actors and the recent films, but let's please remember that that Cubby Broccoli-Harry Saltzman team - oh, yes, the folks who produced those classic early Bonds - let that abomination happen to OHMSS on American TV, not to mention spending all of about $13.57 on the SFX for the laser-beams-hit-various-locations-on-earth scene in DAF, and would not re-shoot the up-on-two-wheels scene over to get it right ! But that TV treatment of OHMSS was just %$5)7-ing horrible !
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
    edited March 2022 Posts: 2,161
    That was the one my parents never took me to in the '60s; OHMSS. My first exposure was that infamous first ABC edit. It immediately became my least favorite Bond film. I did not see a proper cut of the film until I bought a DVD Boxed-Set in the '90s. What a difference!
  • Posts: 1,707
    ABC's treatment of OHMSS was a crime against cinema. I remember getting friends to gather to watch it that night and was horrified at what they had done.
  • Posts: 1,571
    I've never seen anything written about how the Bond Producers in power at that time allowed it to be done ! Maybe they didn't favor it, but didn't they have some control ? It sure made it seem that they didn't care all that much.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
    edited March 2022 Posts: 2,161
    I doubt they had control. Networks had wide discretion in editing any film they had paid to broadcast. Both for content and time, so I doubt there was too much nitpicking. There are famous instances where the entire first section of a film was cut for no apparent reason (such as with THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN).

    Regardless, give me that team of producers over the current ones anytime.
  • Posts: 1,571
    Understood, but IF the producers had cared - even acknowledging network leverage in those days - the producers had leverage, too. The Bond series represented a Prime, well-known, multi-picture property so the movie folks had great leverage, too. The network was looking at great certainty of high ratings with the Bond films.
    The earlier films came out better in large part because they followed the books more tightly until YOLT, when they went OFF. THE. RAILS.
    The other significant key was casting Connery. However, they did not respect his valid concerns for briefer production schedules, or want to pay him, until, with DAF, they had to do both to keep the series alive. They cut corners and just wanted to crank them out, without the same over-riding concern for quality that is evident in more recent times. (When I say "in more recent times" I do NOT mean only the Craig films.)
    I get that the producers knew they should strike while the iron was hot - the Bond films were exceedingly popular and they wanted to get the next one out without much delay. As for some recent films having being subject to criticism for script holes, and/or for things which could have been improved upon with a few script tweaks, yes, that has happened, but the concern for quality still is evident and highly significant to the producers these days.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I haven't seen any Marvel films except Deadpool, but I'm assuming that their character arcs don't play out over a 15-year period. If EON are actually planning an arc in advance for NewBond, that'd pretty much have to mean shorter gaps between films, wouldn't it?
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    I haven't seen any Marvel films except Deadpool, but I'm assuming that their character arcs don't play out over a 15-year period. If EON are actually planning an arc in advance for NewBond, that'd pretty much have to mean shorter gaps between films, wouldn't it?

    The Iron Man/Tony Stark character arc is probably the longest so far going from 2008 to 2019. But he was also in 9 films in those 11 years and not always the lead. So I don't really think you could compare that to a franchise that only works off of one character who is in almost every shot of every film and has to do a lot of physical work.
    It's just a totally different way of telling stories in multiple ways.

    I think it's going to be more like Mission Impossible since MI:III. Those are also clearly connected with things that happened in previous films being referenced and impacting the ongoing story, but the films work pretty well on their own I would say and they also don't do spin-offs. I don't rewatch them all the time, but I never feel like Rogue Nation is cheapened by Soloman Lane reappearing in Fallout, or the threat to Hunt's wife being less impactful in III knowing that they seperate later on.
    And returning to the gap between films: The current MI film series is now going since 1996, producing 6 films in 22 years (and if they finally get 7 and 8 out the door at their current dates, 8 in 28). That's roughly 3,5 years per film although they have lately picked up the pace significantly. I think that is a good model for Bond as well. Enough time for the lead to recover and do other projects and for enough planing to go into the next film, I would say.
  • Bueno1694Bueno1694 My James Bond Games' Playthroughs: linktr.ee/Xtreemo
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    "Where does Bond go after Craig?"

    Directly to the graveyard, I must say.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    He'd rather stay in a morgue...
  • Posts: 1,571
    Graveyard ? Morgue ? Well, not feasible. The answer to the question, as being considered in these last two posts, more accurately would be - all over the place...literally.
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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    As we know that EON is watching The Batman and it’s influence as well, here are some pointers for them to learn from.

    Batman and Gordon’s relationship: THIS is how Bond and M’s relationship needs to be done! No more personal emotional baggage. No more Bond resigning over an argument with M. No more of M’s past catching up with them. Just a trusted worker relationship.

    Batman and Selina’s relationship: this could be how a Bond Woman relationship works. Similar goals, but different viewpoints.
  • Posts: 328
    And Bond doing actual spycraft! I want to see Bond conducting investigations, taking pics, infiltrating buildings, facilities etc; watching, listening, interrogating low-level goons, planting devices etc...abd bring in Giacchino to score the film if not Arnold.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Wait, I am confused. I was told it was totally impossible and audiences wouldn't understand it if a new actor played an established character with a previously existing timeline, but the new interpretation is not connected to that timeline. I thought that was an absolute no go and now people are saying this Batman actually works and in fact is a better film for not spending 30 minutes of it's runtime explaining and exploring the various connections to previous versions played by other actors 30 years ago? And audiences are just fine with there being multiple different Batman-universes and are in no way confused by any of this? How can that be?
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    Haha! Wonders will never cease.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Fanboys are fickle.
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    Wait, I am confused. I was told it was totally impossible and audiences wouldn't understand it if a new actor played an established character with a previously existing timeline, but the new interpretation is not connected to that timeline. I thought that was an absolute no go and now people are saying this Batman actually works and in fact is a better film for not spending 30 minutes of it's runtime explaining and exploring the various connections to previous versions played by other actors 30 years ago? And audiences are just fine with there being multiple different Batman-universes and are in no way confused by any of this? How can that be?

    Yeah I never really understood the “people will be confused” argument against Bond’s death/the upcoming reboot. Even people who don’t come on websites like this, and couldn’t tell you what a reboot was, will still understand that the next one is a fresh start and that the old ones don’t “count” anymore. They’ve seen it happen plenty of times before.
  • Posts: 1,571
    Of course ! They've already changed actors portraying Bond a bunch of times, even going back and forth 67-69-71 and another change in 73 -- that's right, 3 Bonds in 4 films in a span of 6 years ! Sometimes keeping supporting role actors the same, and, you know what ? Nothing ! It didn't matter !
  • Posts: 1,004
    Since62 wrote: »
    Of course ! They've already changed actors portraying Bond a bunch of times, even going back and forth 67-69-71 and another change in 73 -- that's right, 3 Bonds in 4 films in a span of 6 years ! Sometimes keeping supporting role actors the same, and, you know what ? Nothing ! It didn't matter !

    Those actors were all portraying the same fictional character, so it didn't matter. CraigBond is now a different character, and that's the problem now for a few people. It's much easier to accept a change of actor in the same roll, than it is to accept this 'alternate James Bond universe' nonsense.
    Sorry, I mean 'timeline'.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited March 2022 Posts: 652
    Wait, I am confused. I was told it was totally impossible and audiences wouldn't understand it if a new actor played an established character with a previously existing timeline, but the new interpretation is not connected to that timeline. I thought that was an absolute no go and now people are saying this Batman actually works and in fact is a better film for not spending 30 minutes of it's runtime explaining and exploring the various connections to previous versions played by other actors 30 years ago? And audiences are just fine with there being multiple different Batman-universes and are in no way confused by any of this? How can that be?

    Audiences would be less inclined to accept a new Batman if the previous Batman was killed on-screen.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Over the last decade we have seen at least 4 Batman’s, , Bale, Affleck, Pattinson and a returning Keaton, all existing in their own universes Audiences have no problem accepting this. There will be no problem with a new adaptation of the literary character, James Bond.
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 1,004
    talos7 wrote: »
    Over the last decade we have seen at least 4 Batman’s, , Bale, Affleck, Pattinson and a returning Keaton, all existing in their own universes Audiences have no problem accepting this. There will be no problem with a new adaptation of the literary character, James Bond.

    James Bond is a 'real world' character, not a superhero with special powers in a sci-fi franchise. This is the whole problem with the 'if it's good for Batman, it's good for Bond' argument. Bond isn't Batman, Star Trek, Star Wars or whatever. He used to be a real world hero in admittedly outlandish situations, but it was always grounded in recognised science and reliant on the conventional rules of accepted linear storytelling.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited March 2022 Posts: 7,972
    talos7 wrote: »
    Over the last decade we have seen at least 4 Batman’s, , Bale, Affleck, Pattinson and a returning Keaton, all existing in their own universes Audiences have no problem accepting this. There will be no problem with a new adaptation of the literary character, James Bond.

    James Bond is a 'real world' character, not a superhero with special powers in a sci-fi franchise. This is the whole problem with the 'if it's good for Batman, it's good for Bond' argument. Bond isn't Batman, Star Trek, Star Wars or whatever. He used to be a real world hero in admittedly outlandish situations, but it was always grounded in recognised science and reliant on the conventional rules of accepted linear storytelling.

    That of no consequence; just as Craig’s Bond had absolutely no linear connection to the previous actors and films, the next will begin a new incarnation of a fictional character.

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