NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions

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  • DrinmanDrinman New York
    Posts: 40
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 187
    tqb wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I’m seriously thinking of not going.

    Would be silly to skip

    Unfortunately I am considering the same, and I even pre-ordered tickets. Might cancel those. If I'm going to hate it as much as I think I'm going to hate it, I'd be more mad at the fact I wasted a trip out and risked being exposed to covid over something I ended up absolutely hating. I'm in the south where masks are politicized to an extreme and rare to see in public spaces.

    If I'm going to hate it, I'd rather hate it for a cheaper price in the safety of my living room and wait till digital.
  • DrinmanDrinman New York
    Posts: 40
    A poster over on the James Bond Reddit is falling this The Last Jedi of the 007 franchise.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,020
    Judge the movie for yourself
  • Posts: 13,831
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I’ve already given mine to friends. I just don’t want to see that. I don’t care how good it is, I don’t want to see that happen.

    Same here, even if it is kind of a popular trendy thing in films these days. Been looking at YouTube reviews so far no spoilers, and mostly positive reviews.
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    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.
  • Posts: 187
    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.

    And then pulls the most un-Fleming thing I've ever heard of in this run. I honestly think it's great some people are enjoying it but yeah - that one little spoiler ruined everything for me. That's not Bond to me. I want escapism.

  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 1,557
    TR007 wrote: »
    The word will spread fast and it will be interesting to see how it affects the box office.
    At the very least it’s not going to get repeat viewings from a lot of the fans. It might even deter some of the regular cinema goers.

    Very true.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I’ve already given mine to friends. I just don’t want to see that. I don’t care how good it is, I don’t want to see that happen.

    Whatever it is, how bad, silly, stupid etc is it ?
  • Posts: 13,831
    I'm surprised there haven't been any Bond Experience, Dyson or JBR reaction videos posted yet.
  • tqbtqb
    edited September 2021 Posts: 1,020
    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.

    This
  • Posts: 187
    Its utterly ridiculous.
    Having that death occur simply to then have James Bond Will Return in the credits to cap it all off ruins the entire emotional stake they were apparently aiming for. It's counterintuitive and thats just for a start. I don't know whats worse. The irony or the intention.
  • Posts: 13,831
    km16 wrote: »
    Its utterly ridiculous.
    Having that death occur simply to then have James Bond Will Return in the credits to cap it all off ruins the entire emotional stake they were apparently aiming for. It's counterintuitive and thats just for a start. I don't know whats worse. The irony or the intention.

    Perhaps......
    It's done in such a way to make the codename theory officially canon.?
  • Posts: 187
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    Its utterly ridiculous.
    Having that death occur simply to then have James Bond Will Return in the credits to cap it all off ruins the entire emotional stake they were apparently aiming for. It's counterintuitive and thats just for a start. I don't know whats worse. The irony or the intention.

    Perhaps......
    It's done in such a way to make the codename theory officially canon.?

    God help us all.
  • Posts: 13,831
    km16 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    Its utterly ridiculous.
    Having that death occur simply to then have James Bond Will Return in the credits to cap it all off ruins the entire emotional stake they were apparently aiming for. It's counterintuitive and thats just for a start. I don't know whats worse. The irony or the intention.

    Perhaps......
    It's done in such a way to make the codename theory officially canon.?

    God help us all.

    Another thing that troubles me..............
    If Bond is truly killed off and it's not a cliffhanger leading into the next film, then does this film intend to erase the memory of the pre-Craig Bonds? Obviously OHMSS can't exist in this universe and so forth.
    Which timeline is canon then?
  • RainyRainy Skyfall
    Posts: 40
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I'm surprised there haven't been any Bond Experience, Dyson or JBR reaction videos posted yet.
    From JBR’s Twitter seemed like they might have liked it?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,222
    km16 wrote: »
    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.

    And then pulls the most un-Fleming thing I've ever heard of in this run. I honestly think it's great some people are enjoying it but yeah - that one little spoiler ruined everything for me. That's not Bond to me. I want escapism.

    I take it you don’t like a certain Fleming title? Because Fleming actually did what you seem to think is crossing the line.
  • Posts: 13,831
    Rainy wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I'm surprised there haven't been any Bond Experience, Dyson or JBR reaction videos posted yet.
    From JBR’s Twitter seemed like they might have liked it?

    Steven Rubin posted a very positive response on his Facebook page.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    Posts: 6,222
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    Its utterly ridiculous.
    Having that death occur simply to then have James Bond Will Return in the credits to cap it all off ruins the entire emotional stake they were apparently aiming for. It's counterintuitive and thats just for a start. I don't know whats worse. The irony or the intention.

    Perhaps......
    It's done in such a way to make the codename theory officially canon.?

    God help us all.

    Another thing that troubles me..............
    If Bond is truly killed off and it's not a cliffhanger leading into the next film, then does this film intend to erase the memory of the pre-Craig Bonds? Obviously OHMSS can't exist in this universe and so forth.
    Which timeline is canon then?

    Can’t all timelines be canon? There’s like dozens of them in the Gundam franchise, and neither invalidate each other. Heck, we already regard the films, novels, comics, etc as existing in their own timelines.
  • Posts: 187
    km16 wrote: »
    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.

    And then pulls the most un-Fleming thing I've ever heard of in this run. I honestly think it's great some people are enjoying it but yeah - that one little spoiler ruined everything for me. That's not Bond to me. I want escapism.

    I take it you don’t like a certain Fleming title? Because Fleming actually did what you seem to think is crossing the line.

    Except he didn't.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,443
    The only part that bothers me is...
    Once again, EON has copied old tropes. This is basically LOGAN. Right?
  • Posts: 187
    Birdleson wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.

    And then pulls the most un-Fleming thing I've ever heard of in this run. I honestly think it's great some people are enjoying it but yeah - that one little spoiler ruined everything for me. That's not Bond to me. I want escapism.

    I take it you don’t like a certain Fleming title? Because Fleming actually did what you seem to think is crossing the line.


    It's my understanding that Fleming left it (FRWL) intentionally ambiguous so that he could go that route if he were to decide to; in other words, leave himself an out.

    Personally, I am more than fine with ambiguous.

    Agreed.
  • Posts: 13,831
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    Its utterly ridiculous.
    Having that death occur simply to then have James Bond Will Return in the credits to cap it all off ruins the entire emotional stake they were apparently aiming for. It's counterintuitive and thats just for a start. I don't know whats worse. The irony or the intention.

    Perhaps......
    It's done in such a way to make the codename theory officially canon.?

    God help us all.

    Another thing that troubles me..............
    If Bond is truly killed off and it's not a cliffhanger leading into the next film, then does this film intend to erase the memory of the pre-Craig Bonds? Obviously OHMSS can't exist in this universe and so forth.
    Which timeline is canon then?

    Can’t all timelines be canon? There’s like dozens of them in the Gundam franchise, and neither invalidate each other. Heck, we already regard the films, novels, comics, etc as existing in their own timelines.
    Just seems odd to officially kill him off then have a "James Bond Will Return" title card unless the next film specifically explains his resurrection. That scenario seems unlikely. He's not Dracula, where you can have the sun disintegrate John Carradine and he turns up in the sequel unexplained. The whole different timeline excuse seems like a cop out.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 801
    I've seen it. I won't do a full review yet, but regarding the larger issue in discussion:

    It's surreal how well the ending works in the context of the film. Because it's not careless. It's not done for shock. It is earned. It is perhaps one of the most earned major plot twists in the history of franchise films, ranking up there with Darth Vader's reveal.

    And that's an ambitious thing to shoot for. Especially nowadays, with audiences this jaded and cinematic storytelling this oversaturated with "epic twists."

    But they aim for it, and they nail it. The overwhelming emotion of the final act works for me because of the builds leading up to it. The film is a pure crowd-pleasing joy to watch, and the entire finale sequence once they reach Safin's island is pretty much nonstop tension and actions.

    Zimmer's score is superb. Always appropriate.

    And the action scenes, honestly, are the best of Craig's tenure without question. The way they're staged, shot, edited. We're talking M:I-Fallout levels of competition here which arguably take the crown back at times just for the sheer Bond style of it.

    Absolutely do not discount this film just because you've spoiled it by reading a text version of the plot on the internet. Never before has there been a Bond film like this that needs to be experienced to be appreciated, and never before has one delivered something so memorable and moving.

    Just my two cents as an initial reaction.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    edited September 2021 Posts: 6,222
    Birdleson wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    Drinman wrote: »
    I’m becoming more and more displeased with Barbara as the series progresses. I actually don’t think she “gets” Bond. Might be a controversial statement but it’s what I really feel as a fan.

    Let me make my case for why you should see the film simply this, then: I don't think there has ever been a film that addresses the character of James Bond so thoroughly nor one that "gets" Bond to the extent that this one does, and I'm including Casino Royale when I say that.

    And then pulls the most un-Fleming thing I've ever heard of in this run. I honestly think it's great some people are enjoying it but yeah - that one little spoiler ruined everything for me. That's not Bond to me. I want escapism.

    I take it you don’t like a certain Fleming title? Because Fleming actually did what you seem to think is crossing the line.


    It's my understanding that Fleming left it (FRWL) intentionally ambiguous so that he could go that route if he were to decide to; in other words, leave himself an out.

    Personally, I am more than fine with ambiguous.

    Is it? The whole book leads up to that moment and cuts off right as he drops. If Fleming had decided not to write any more, that would have been a hell of a book to end it all. He even felt he needed to overexplain HOW he got out of that before proceeding further to the plot at hand.
  • RainyRainy Skyfall
    Posts: 40
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    I've seen it. I won't do a full review yet, but regarding the larger issue in discussion:

    It's surreal how well the ending works in the context of the film. Because it's not careless. It's not done for shock. It is earned. It is perhaps one of the most earned major plot twists in the history of franchise films, ranking up there with Darth Vader's reveal.

    And that's an ambitious thing to shoot for. Especially nowadays, with audiences this jaded and cinematic storytelling this oversaturated with "epic twists."

    But they aim for it, and they nail it. The overwhelming emotion of the final act works for me because of the builds leading up to it. The film is a pure crowd-pleasing joy to watch, and the entire finale sequence once they reach Safin's island is pretty much nonstop tension and actions.

    Zimmer's score is superb. Always appropriate.

    And the action scenes, honestly, are the best of Craig's tenure without question. The way they're staged, shot, edited. We're talking M:I-Fallout levels of competition here which arguably take the crown back at times just for the sheer Bond style of it.

    Absolutely do not discount this film just because you've spoiled it by reading a text version of the plot on the internet. Never before has there been a Bond film like this that needs to be experienced to be appreciated, and never before has one delivered something so memorable and moving.

    Just my two cents as an initial reaction.

    Great write up, I’m excited
  • Posts: 187
    Birdleson wrote: »
    You're probably right, and I hope every one enjoys it. I just don't want to see that. I've been going to Bond films longer than Craig's been alive. The character has been important to me my whole life. I don't need to see that up on the screen.

    Seconded.

    I'm tired of realistic depression on my screen in every franchise I watch. Where's the fun escapism of past Bond's?
  • foo_yukfoo_yuk Canada
    edited September 2021 Posts: 26
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    I've seen it. I won't do a full review yet, but regarding the larger issue in discussion:

    It's surreal how well the ending works in the context of the film. Because it's not careless. It's not done for shock. It is earned. It is perhaps one of the most earned major plot twists in the history of franchise films, ranking up there with Darth Vader's reveal.

    And that's an ambitious thing to shoot for. Especially nowadays, with audiences this jaded and cinematic storytelling this oversaturated with "epic twists."

    But they aim for it, and they nail it. The overwhelming emotion of the final act works for me because of the builds leading up to it. The film is a pure crowd-pleasing joy to watch, and the entire finale sequence once they reach Safin's island is pretty much nonstop tension and actions.

    Zimmer's score is superb. Always appropriate.

    And the action scenes, honestly, are the best of Craig's tenure without question. The way they're staged, shot, edited. We're talking M:I-Fallout levels of competition here which arguably take the crown back at times just for the sheer Bond style of it.

    Absolutely do not discount this film just because you've spoiled it by reading a text version of the plot on the internet. Never before has there been a Bond film like this that needs to be experienced to be appreciated, and never before has one delivered something so memorable and moving.

    Just my two cents as an initial reaction.

    What happens during the incredible “Final Ascent” track?

    Do we get a funeral? Frankly, I don’t mind at all the his Bond gets this end. He’s had the most unique, celebrated tenure. It sounds like it provides a real catharsis and has a lot of people realizing just how much they love the character. I’m more than fine with this!
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You're probably right, and I hope every one enjoys it. I just don't want to see that. I've been going to Bond films longer than Craig's been alive. The character has been important to me my whole life. I don't need to see that up on the screen.

    I've had a very difficult year, and don't need to see a downer Bond film right now either. Maybe rent it on Redbox, but I 'm thinking just wait a few years and catch up with it then.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython Omaha, NE
    edited September 2021 Posts: 6,222
    It’s ironic that 00s have a very short life expectancy, but it’s not something many want to acknowledge is a possibility for a specific character.

    Honestly, I’m even more excited because I always commend EON when they break formula.
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    It’s ironic that 00s have a very short life expectancy, but it’s not something many want to acknowledge is a possibility for a specific character.

    Honestly, I’m even more excited because I always commend EON when they break formula.

    I'm all for breaking formula, I just see it as an extreme.
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