Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • edited August 2021 Posts: 3,272
    mtm wrote: »
    Bond has always been a bit stuffy and old though, as Univex said. There's always been an 'agenda' for the world to move on: that's how the world, y'know, moves on :D
    Bond has moved on too, just keeping 20 years behind the present day. I'm not sure what you think is being demonised about what he stands for.

    Part of the appeal right from the start of Bond in the cinema is that wonderful and energising dichotomy that the audience think of Bond as being supercool and yet also at the same time, a bit of a dick. We don't actually want to see him cut down to size for his arrogance, but we perversely enjoy seeing him getting away with being a dick in situations which we would never get into. It's a massive part of the appeal of watching him.

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    Univex wrote: »
    I get all of that changing with the times stuff, but James Bond had always a trait, a particular one that defined his character, even with the latest iteration. He's old school, his mind set is always set decades before the present.

    In the 50s, he had a 30s car, and sort of an imperialistic government workforce mindset. In the 60s, in the films, he was clearly a 40s and 50s man with a 60s sex drive. In the 70s and 80s, he was outdated by everything that surrounded him, and that was the appeal. He used modern gadgets with a bit of contempt for them. In the 90s, he was a relic of the cold war. And in the 2000s, he liked things the "old way", as Craig put it in SF, and drove a 64 Aston Martin, and still used a PPK.

    So, there'll always be something from the past deeply rooted in the man. He should never be a product of his time, he should be a product of old reacting to his time, that is and always will be part of the appeal and exoticism.

    Right?

    Well said! Post of the week! =D>


    Nah that's still Revelator's for my money: they hit the nail on the head.

    And there I was hoping you would choose one of my posts.
    mtm wrote: »
    Where did that last random comment come from? Surely the only person who stated a preference and hence would be upset about being disappointed would be yourself, not some imagined enemy ‘brigade’.

    BTW, that `random' comment was actually in direct response to the `woke twerp' reference found in your post of the week.... ;)

    Funny enough, Revelator managed to escape any such harsh, daily mtm criticism on daring to mention the dreaded term `woke', and gets heaped with lots of praise from yourself instead. Some guys have all the luck.
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 3,272
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    Bond was correctly rebooted in CR, he wasn’t a relic, he knew technology and could hack M and track people, and had a personality that thought of women as disposable pleasures which isn’t past or present, its a trait, but then of course with Mendes and Sf, EON fell back into their pattern of lack of confidence in the character and trying to make him relevant and could only define him as a relic, out of step, entrenched in old ways… it was lame and a mistake.

    With CR we have to take exception of the Bond character, as this was supposed to be a reboot - Bond Begins. So he needed some youthfulness and naivety to reflect Bond at the beginning of his career.

    QoS didn't really go too far exploring any of Bond's old ways, as it was supposed to be continuing on from where CR left off - Bond still at the beginning, but now also hell bent on revenge too.

    I don't think it was too much of a mistake in what Mendes was trying to explore in SF, although it would have made more sense if SF had come at the very end of Craig's tenure, as it clearly shows Bond burnt out and nearing the end of his career, when it only just got started with the 2 films before.

    Having said all that, TLD was Dalton's first outing, and there were signs of fatigue and being burnt out in that movie too, and that was almost a reboot - a different Bond starting out again.
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  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    I don’t really agree, @jetsetwilly. It was a mistake of timing for sure to go from new to old with Mendes middle age thematic exploration that no one was asking for. We never got Craig in his dick swinging prime because EON lack confidence and direction in the character. But CR pointed the way (as do the books they hold the rights too). And while Dalton showed signs of fatigue he wasn’t emotionally paralyzed and listless through the movie, which I think SF was… Bond should never be boring. He’s not a LeCarre character which Haggis correctly pointed out in CR documentary.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I see Henry Cavill is back as one of the bookies favourites.
    Nothing against Cavill personally but that would be such a step down in the calibre of the leading man. He's got charisma but he's wooden in everything I've seen him in
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    I don’t really agree, @jetsetwilly. It was a mistake of timing for sure to go from new to old with Mendes middle age thematic exploration that no one was asking for. We never got Craig in his dick swinging prime because EON lack confidence and direction in the character. But CR pointed the way (as do the books they hold the rights too). And while Dalton showed signs of fatigue he wasn’t emotionally paralyzed and listless through the movie, which I think SF was… Bond should never be boring. He’s not a LeCarre character which Haggis correctly pointed out in CR documentary.

    Nobody asked for it... and yet SF is one of the most successful Bond movie, both critically and commercially.
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 3,272
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    I don’t really agree, @jetsetwilly. It was a mistake of timing for sure to go from new to old with Mendes middle age thematic exploration that no one was asking for. We never got Craig in his dick swinging prime because EON lack confidence and direction in the character. But CR pointed the way (as do the books they hold the rights too). And while Dalton showed signs of fatigue he wasn’t emotionally paralyzed and listless through the movie, which I think SF was… Bond should never be boring. He’s not a LeCarre character which Haggis correctly pointed out in CR documentary.

    Yes, I would like to see Bond with a bit more carefree Connery swagger, and a bit more happy-go-lucky at times. We have never really got much of this during the Craig era.

    Think Dalton laughing to himself in TLK after throwing the guy off the plane and then chucking all the money out too, or Connery naturally smiling during the belly dance in FRWL. We need a bit more joy bringing back to the franchise maybe (but not at the expense of losing the harder edged tone!)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.

    Adding to this, the way he toasts the goons in SF when Severine leaves him in the casino, knowing they are going to try and kill him. He knows he might die, so he may as well go out smiling.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.

    Adding to this, the way he toasts the goons in SF when Severine leaves him in the casino, knowing they are going to try and kill him. He knows he might die, so he may as well go out smiling.

    Yes exactly. It's these lighter moments (but not crazy Tarzan yell, double-taking pigeon light) which I hope we see a bit more of in NTTD.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.

    Adding to this, the way he toasts the goons in SF when Severine leaves him in the casino, knowing they are going to try and kill him. He knows he might die, so he may as well go out smiling.

    Yes exactly. It's these lighter moments (but not crazy Tarzan yell, double-taking pigeon light) which I hope we see a bit more of in NTTD.

    Though for full disclosure - I do have a soft spot for Tarzan yells and double taking pigeons.
  • Posts: 3,272
    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.

    Adding to this, the way he toasts the goons in SF when Severine leaves him in the casino, knowing they are going to try and kill him. He knows he might die, so he may as well go out smiling.

    Yes exactly. It's these lighter moments (but not crazy Tarzan yell, double-taking pigeon light) which I hope we see a bit more of in NTTD.

    Though for full disclosure - I do have a soft spot for Tarzan yells and double taking pigeons.

    Keep that sordid secret to yourself mate.... :-j
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.

    Adding to this, the way he toasts the goons in SF when Severine leaves him in the casino, knowing they are going to try and kill him. He knows he might die, so he may as well go out smiling.

    Yes exactly. It's these lighter moments (but not crazy Tarzan yell, double-taking pigeon light) which I hope we see a bit more of in NTTD.

    Though for full disclosure - I do have a soft spot for Tarzan yells and double taking pigeons.

    Keep that sordid secret to yourself mate.... :-j


    Haha, too late...
  • Posts: 14,799
    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh I think Craig’s Bond rather clearly enjoys himself where he can: he does quite a lot light stuff in Spectre, but stealing the Aston, bedding the widow etc. he’s indulging himself.

    He does a few light things in QoS too. Dismissing one hotel to go to a better one, claiming he won the lottery springs to mind.

    But it would be nice if he did a bit more of this with a smile or laugh on his face when he is indulging himself. Who knows, maybe we get more of this in NTTD.

    I do like the wave he gives to the goons after meeting Lucia at the funeral.

    Adding to this, the way he toasts the goons in SF when Severine leaves him in the casino, knowing they are going to try and kill him. He knows he might die, so he may as well go out smiling.

    Yes exactly. It's these lighter moments (but not crazy Tarzan yell, double-taking pigeon light) which I hope we see a bit more of in NTTD.

    Though for full disclosure - I do have a soft spot for Tarzan yells and double taking pigeons.

    Keep that sordid secret to yourself mate.... :-j

    Or just say it in the controversial opinion thread.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Brosnan was nowhere near as famous or popular as Moore.

    No, I agree. Moore was a household name and had starred in multiple TV series by the time he played Bond. Brosnan hadn't attained that level of fame or popularity by the time he came to play Bond but I would say he was better known than some who started out as Bond.

    Brosnan's pain face will be more remembered than most of his Bondfilms.
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    As a Dalton fan, I'm fully on the Aidan Turner train now.

    Make it happen!
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Zarozzor wrote: »
    As a Dalton fan, I'm fully on the Aidan Turner train now.

    Make it happen!

    Let's indeed. All aboard.

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    If he's read the books, he's accomplishing a Bondian look with that tie, though not with that jacket. Cannot tell about the shirt, since I cannot see the cuffs or the content of the cloth.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Since62 wrote: »
    If he's read the books, he's accomplishing a Bondian look with that tie, though not with that jacket. Cannot tell about the shirt, since I cannot see the cuffs or the content of the cloth.

    Oh, yes. The knitted tie. Straight from the Fleming Bond novels. Something of a throwback nowadays but still very nice. I don't think any of the Bond actors ever wore a knitted tie in their films but I could be wrong. I'm far from a dedicated follower of fashion. ;)
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    Nice Kinks reference ! Now I've got that song playing in my head !
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Nice Kinks reference ! Now I've got that song playing in my head !

    Glad you liked it. Hopefully the song playing in your head is a pleasant distraction.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    If he's read the books, he's accomplishing a Bondian look with that tie, though not with that jacket. Cannot tell about the shirt, since I cannot see the cuffs or the content of the cloth.

    Oh, yes. The knitted tie. Straight from the Fleming Bond novels. Something of a throwback nowadays but still very nice. I don't think any of the Bond actors ever wore a knitted tie in their films but I could be wrong. I'm far from a dedicated follower of fashion. ;)

    I believe Connery in Goldfinger is wearing one in the Q scene when he is introduced to the DB5.

    As a wearer of knitted ties myself, I tend to look out for these things!
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    Zarozzor wrote: »
    As a Dalton fan, I'm fully on the Aidan Turner train now.

    Make it happen!

    Let's indeed. All aboard.

    aidan-turner-ge--11091079-.jpg

    well he just lost he elimination game so oh well
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    As a Dalton fan, I'm fully on the Aidan Turner train now.

    Make it happen!

    Let's indeed. All aboard.

    aidan-turner-ge--11091079-.jpg

    well he just lost he elimination game so oh well

    Care? A few members in a silly elimination game who are obviously dominant in force downvoting Turner. Turner will be Bond #7, you read it here first.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    As a Dalton fan, I'm fully on the Aidan Turner train now.

    Make it happen!

    Let's indeed. All aboard.

    aidan-turner-ge--11091079-.jpg

    well he just lost he elimination game so oh well

    Care? A few members in a silly elimination game who are obviously dominant in force downvoting Turner. Turner will be Bond #7, you read it here first.

    Somehow I think he'll be last month's flavour by the time Bond is recast.
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    I'd still be up for Aidan Turner as Bond, if he still looks Bondian and we don't have to wait until 2042 for B26.
  • Posts: 3,272
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    If he's read the books, he's accomplishing a Bondian look with that tie, though not with that jacket. Cannot tell about the shirt, since I cannot see the cuffs or the content of the cloth.

    Oh, yes. The knitted tie. Straight from the Fleming Bond novels. Something of a throwback nowadays but still very nice. I don't think any of the Bond actors ever wore a knitted tie in their films but I could be wrong. I'm far from a dedicated follower of fashion. ;)

    I believe Connery in Goldfinger is wearing one in the Q scene when he is introduced to the DB5.

    As a wearer of knitted ties myself, I tend to look out for these things!

    Connery wore them in most of his films, not just GF. Laz wore them too in OHMSS.
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    Henry Golding should be another actor the producers would consider. Tall, handsome (has worked as a model), built, British (by his father, and he grew up in GB since he was 8), good age for it (presently on the low side of mid-30s). More interesting-looking than many of the rather generic lads folks have promoted
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