No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • belleswannbelleswann britain
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    peter wrote: »
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    mtm wrote: »
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    mtm wrote: »
    The ones you don't like you think don't even count as Bond girls? That seems odd. It's a bit someone denying that the Lotus Esprit is a Bond car because they don't like mid-engined cars.
    Hmm I didn't exactly say that.

    I said from what I've seen Nomi is not presented as a Bond Girl. I said more like a Leiter character, or now I'd say even closer to a Saunders type competing with or outright harassing Bond. At least initially arguing with Bond and obstructing him.

    • Bond Girl status is qualified by appearance, actions/activity.
    • Every prominent female role is considered a Bond Girl.

    So which approach applies prejudice.

    She's a main Bond woman; she gets top line billing just like every other one.

    How many bit-part actresses who don't get lines and just sit around looking pretty have been called 'Bond girls' over the years? Do you look through this book and cross the pages off saying "not a Bond girl, not a Bond girl, Bond girl, not a Bond girl, ... "
    :D

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    I guess it comes down to the label of "Bond Girl", what it means exactly, and why it's needed at all. It seems like characters like Camille and now Nomi are blurring the lines, which is a great thing.

    I'll ask my question to you again: you said Camille is a "Bond Girl", yet Nomi is not; where are the differences here that grant Camille this "title", but not Nomi?
    That's my take on how the Camille character is presented, as a potential love interest for Bond whether or not that's consummated.

    That's a pretty strange definition then. A Bond woman can be someone you think he might have potentially shagged, even though he most certainly didn't, but in Nomi's case that's unimaginable, even though we don't actually know if he does or not.

    Is it not just easier to go with the more standard definition i.e. a relatively young and attractive actress in a Bond movie is a Bond girl/woman?
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    mtm wrote: »
    If your referring to “women being treated as sexual objects”, hopefully there are zero.

    I must say I slightly lose respect for Seydoux every time she does another photoshoot in skimpy outfits (or as we see this time, no outfit at all)- she does seem to use herself as a sex object quite a lot. That's her choice and everything, but it always strikes me how much cooler Lynch seems to be in hers.
    I think a large part of the Bond fandom *wants* Paloma to be one of these “Bond girls” because they fit their idea of what an attractive woman looks like, and it seems, very unfortunately, Lashana does not.

    Yeah it does feel a bit that way.

    I think it's a really tasteful picture and she looks beautiful. It is her choice and I don't think she should be judged for it, nudity isn't anything to be ashamed of and she shouldn't be less respected for it.

    I just think it's a bit of a shame she seems to feel she has to resort to reveal her figure and trying to titilate all the time. It's fine if she wants to do that, but equally it's my choice who I respect, not anyone else's.

    I don't think she is trying to titilate anyone. It is up to you but I don't remember you losing respect for Daniel when he was shirtless in GQ

    It's a fair point, but it's not every single shoot with him. And it's not like men face quite the same problems that women do in terms of being objectified: men and women aren't equal.

    But it's that reason why women do more nudity than men because it is expected

    That's not a good thing though.
    belleswann wrote: »
    and it isn't every shoot with Lea she has been on around a dozen magazines this year and this is the only one

    I don't think so; they're always getting posted here (maybe more the in thread about 007 women) and all of her shoots have seemed sexualised to me, this is something I've been feeling for a while every time one appears. This is the first one I've seen where she's not wearing anything at all, but all of the rest I've seen getting posted here have featured her in skimpies or wearing extremely tight clothes.
    belleswann wrote: »
    but my point is it wouldn't matter if it was every one for her or daniel craig because it's nothing either should feel ashamed of if they feel comfortable doing it and not exploited, men are never criticized as much as women for it because no, men and women are not treated equally.

    Yes, true, I just think it's a shame.
    It would be a good thing if men and women were viewed evenly but they are not and if you think her shoots have been sexualized and she wears tight clothes then so have Ana's and Daniel and Lashana's to a lesser extent, and in regards to tight clothing welcome to Craig's Skyfall wardrobe.

    That's just not really true, no. I haven't seen Lynch having to resort to that in her shoots at all; I've been really impressed by how stylish and artistic they are.

    I pop into the 'women' thread and it's all
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    But Lynch is more
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    One of them is more exploitative of sexuality if you ask me. And yeah, I have more respect for the one that doesn't have to resort to that.
    Yes it's a free world and she can do that if she wants to, but as it's a free world I'm also allowed to find it a bit cheap.

    You can find it cheap if you want to but for me these kinds of comments shame a person for their sexuality and are quite sexist to me. Lashana, Ana, Daniel and Lea have all done many different photoshoots this year some more sexualized than others and I say that of each of them and none of them should be viewed less or shamed because you like certain ones better.

    Well said, @belleswann — she’s very comfortable in her skin, she’s confident. There’s no shame in celebrating the human form.

    Thank you. On another topic I haven't been on the forum long but really love all the information you guys find, it's nice to know people like the bonds as much as I do 😃
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    Contraband wrote: »

    Cool pics. Nice find @MattiaDeVarti007

    Crew member took them, that's for sure. But how did they end up on his insta?!

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    Both actors look so good in those costumes.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Well, well, well...a friend of mine turned my attention to the following, in regards to Safin's plot:
    Black Biology and stealth viruses

    He sent me several links on the topic, especially this one: https://news.stanford.edu/pr/01/bioterror117.html

    The important part from that link is here (pay particular attention to the last paragraph):
    "Black biology"

    If anthrax, smallpox and other "conventional" biological agents aren't frightening enough, Block also raises the specter of "black biology" -- a shadowy science in which microorganisms are genetically engineered for the sole purpose of creating novel weapons of terror.

    "The idea that anybody can brew this stuff in their garage vastly overstates the case," he says, "but any technology that can be used to insert genes into DNA can be used for either good or bad."

    Block points out that genetic maps of deadly viruses, bacteria and other microorganisms already are widely available in the public domain. Last summer, for example, a leading scientific journal published the entire genetic code for the cholera pathogen. And legitimate researchers are now in the process of mapping the genomes of more than 100 other microbes -- including the bacteria that cause anthrax, the plague and typhoid.

    Any scientist bent on destruction could use this information to attempt to clone extremely virulent strains of bacteria and viruses, Block contends.

    He also points out that there are plenty of underpaid microbiologists in the world who might be eager to work for unscrupulous clients -- producing incurable "designer diseases," such as penicillin-resistant anthrax, or "stealth viruses" that infect the host but remain silent until activated by some external trigger, such as exposure to a normally harmless chemical.

    I can't help but think that this is precisely what Safin is up to. And we may have our explanation as to what happens to the Cuba party goers.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Well, well, well...a friend of mine turned my attention to the following, in regards to Safin's plot:
    Black Biology and stealth viruses

    He sent me several links on the topic, especially this one: https://news.stanford.edu/pr/01/bioterror117.html

    The important part from that link is here (pay particular attention to the last paragraph):
    "Black biology"

    If anthrax, smallpox and other "conventional" biological agents aren't frightening enough, Block also raises the specter of "black biology" -- a shadowy science in which microorganisms are genetically engineered for the sole purpose of creating novel weapons of terror.

    "The idea that anybody can brew this stuff in their garage vastly overstates the case," he says, "but any technology that can be used to insert genes into DNA can be used for either good or bad."

    Block points out that genetic maps of deadly viruses, bacteria and other microorganisms already are widely available in the public domain. Last summer, for example, a leading scientific journal published the entire genetic code for the cholera pathogen. And legitimate researchers are now in the process of mapping the genomes of more than 100 other microbes -- including the bacteria that cause anthrax, the plague and typhoid.

    Any scientist bent on destruction could use this information to attempt to clone extremely virulent strains of bacteria and viruses, Block contends.

    He also points out that there are plenty of underpaid microbiologists in the world who might be eager to work for unscrupulous clients -- producing incurable "designer diseases," such as penicillin-resistant anthrax, or "stealth viruses" that infect the host but remain silent until activated by some external trigger, such as exposure to a normally harmless chemical.

    I can't help but think that this is precisely what Safin is up to. And we may have our explanation as to what happens to the Cuba party goers.

    Damn. This seems spot on. And this would reinforce the whole cloning aspect of the plot, in a more realistic manner.

    Perhaps it’s viruses Safin is cloning, and not human beings?
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Source: Seller on ebay

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2020 Posts: 11,372
    Cheers for the recent photos, guys.

    One of the other menus sold for GBP92 recently.
  • phantomvicesphantomvices Mother Base
    edited December 2020 Posts: 441
    Contraband wrote: »

    Cool pics. Nice find @MattiaDeVarti007

    Crew member took them, that's for sure. But how did they end up on his insta?!

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    Interesting to note the 'scene 236' picture. It looks like the big control room in the lair after Bond kabooms it as seen in the trailer. So we see him go back to the room? For what reason? Or is it even that room? If so, it is very likely that we probably haven't seen anything as of yet from this room.

    Note that this is after Madeleine and Mathilde have been shipped off by Nomi - that happens in 235.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Contraband wrote: »

    Cool pics. Nice find @MattiaDeVarti007

    Crew member took them, that's for sure. But how did they end up on his insta?!

    InmL08K.jpg
    1XDaK7p.jpg
    WTeUFlE.jpg
    ekYyQEN.jpg

    Interesting to note the 'scene 236' picture. It looks like the big control room in the lair after Bond kabooms it as seen in the trailer. So we see him go back to the room? For what reason? Or is it even that room? If so, it is very likely that we probably haven't seen anything as of yet from this room.

    Note that this is after Madeleine and Mathilde have been shipped off by Nomi - that happens in 235.

    The submarine stage pic is also scene 236. I have a wider shot with that scene number on and prod. text.

    The only thing I know about the control room is that they built that set including a roof set behind 007-stage, according to the call sheets.
  • BrosnanLegendBrosnanLegend canada
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    the movie looks so bad,but this torture waits is ludicrous
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Anyone else getting GE/64 vibes from that control room?
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Wild theory: Someone suggested that this is Madeleine. If so, she's part of Safins gang breaking into the lab, kidnapping Valdo.

    Look at the eyes and height, is that Lea? It does look like a female

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  • phantomvicesphantomvices Mother Base
    edited December 2020 Posts: 441
    Contraband wrote: »
    Wild theory: Someone suggested that this is Madeleine. If so, she's part of Safins gang breaking into the lab, kidnapping Valdo.

    Look at the eyes and height, is that Lea? It does look like a female

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    Yeah, the eyes and stature look very female to me.

    I was wondering if this could be madeleine - -the eye shape is very familiar bt I dont think I can tell unless we have a better picture. I can maybe find out her height from props and if someone could give me a proper ID of her handgun - if the height matches Madeleine then this could be a big spoiler lmao.

    For reference, Lea Seydoux is 1.68M tall.


  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Contraband wrote: »
    Wild theory: Someone suggested that this is Madeleine. If so, she's part of Safins gang breaking into the lab, kidnapping Valdo.

    Look at the eyes and height, is that Lea? It does look like a female

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    Yeah, the eyes and stature look very female to me.

    I was wondering if this could be madeleine - -the eye shape is very familiar bt I dont think I can tell unless we have a better picture. I can maybe find out her height from props and if someone could give me a proper ID of her handgun - if the height matches Madeleine then this could be a big spoiler lmao.

    For reference, Lea Seydoux is 1.68M tall.

    One of my twitterpals wrote this:

    "You're probabaly right. But I'm 100% that is Lea. Perhaps its just a sneaky cameo because she wanted to do some action. So it's probably not Madeleine Swann but it is Lea Seydoux. If that makes sense."

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    I had that thought when I first saw the photo today. The figure honestly doesn't look that tall for being a man
    Maybe it could be the secret Blofeld talks about?
  • phantomvicesphantomvices Mother Base
    edited December 2020 Posts: 441
    Contraband wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Wild theory: Someone suggested that this is Madeleine. If so, she's part of Safins gang breaking into the lab, kidnapping Valdo.

    Look at the eyes and height, is that Lea? It does look like a female

    CeYRV20.jpg

    Yeah, the eyes and stature look very female to me.

    I was wondering if this could be madeleine - -the eye shape is very familiar bt I dont think I can tell unless we have a better picture. I can maybe find out her height from props and if someone could give me a proper ID of her handgun - if the height matches Madeleine then this could be a big spoiler lmao.

    For reference, Lea Seydoux is 1.68M tall.

    One of my twitterpals wrote this:

    "You're probabaly right. But I'm 100% that is Lea. Perhaps its just a sneaky cameo because she wanted to do some action. So it's probably not Madeleine Swann but it is Lea Seydoux. If that makes sense."
    I had that thought when I first saw the photo today. The figure honestly doesn't look that tall for being a man
    Maybe it could be the secret Blofeld talks about?

    clone theory's looking kinda nice rn 👀👀👀

    If it's truly a cameo then she'd likely be completely covered up. Although we do see her fire a gun in the forest, so it's not like she's getting no action (literally :)) ), but if not, then this would likely be intentional - hiring a female agent extra wouldn't be hard given the NTTD budget.


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    The only screenshot I could find of our potential Mads agent with the pom pom hat was this - as you can see, can't really tell much. I'll keep digging, but it'll be hard. However in saying this, given that because she is almost intentionally obfuscated in the trailer, this could also mean that Madeleine IS in the heist scene - given the trailers have already shown Primo and Valdo there, we know they aren't shy about showing the characters in the heist scene so that could be another clue...
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    I had that thought when I first saw the photo today. The figure honestly doesn't look that tall for being a man
    Maybe it could be the secret Blofeld talks about?

    Look at the eyes


  • phantomvicesphantomvices Mother Base
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    this pic is probably the closest pic i can find to match the angle of the picture of our mystery heist agent, and through overlaying it, the eyebrow spacing, nose and eye spacing all match pretty well.

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    Also giving the footage from the trailer another scrub, it is very hard to see but it looks like the agent in the shot is not wearing any eye protection and we can see her eyes - her head is turned slightly to our right - meaning that we get to know that this is Lea, hence this IS Madeleine in the scene. Sorry, I may be wrong here - note on the picture her light is on the left side of her head and thus it would be impossible for her face to be in that position, rip

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    Contraband wrote: »
    I had that thought when I first saw the photo today. The figure honestly doesn't look that tall for being a man
    Maybe it could be the secret Blofeld talks about?

    Look at the eyes


    In fact it was the detail that caught my eye
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    I think those are a good photos.
  • Fascinating detective work there!

    Now what would a psychiatrist like Ms. Swann be doing in a uniform like that?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    A clearer photo of that last pic, from my magazine:

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  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    What purpose do those green lights serve exactly?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Contraband wrote: »
    Wild theory: Someone suggested that this is Madeleine. If so, she's part of Safins gang breaking into the lab, kidnapping Valdo.

    Look at the eyes and height, is that Lea? It does look like a female

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    I had the exact same thought as soon as I saw that image. It could be.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What purpose do those green lights serve exactly?

    Must have something to do with the darkness. The green light makes it easier to operate/"see" I think.

    Found it on some weapon site:

    - Virtually indestructible LED regulated to maximize output and runtime.
    -Precision TIR lens creates a smooth, tight beam with enough surround light for peripheral illumination.
    -Integral, ergonomic one-finger ambidextrous momentary and constant on switching.
    -Instantly attaches to both Universal and Picatinny accessory rails.
    -Accepts optional pressure-activated switches for precision control without altering grip.
    -Max Output: Green Light 400 lumens
    -Construction: High strength aluminum with Mil-Spec anodizing
    -Weight: 80g
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    -Over Length: 90mm
    -Color: Black/Dark Earth
    -Rail Type: 20mm Weaver rail
    -Operate by two 3V CR123A battery(not included)
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Contraband wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What purpose do those green lights serve exactly?

    Must have something to do with the darkness. The green light makes it easier to operate/"see" I think.

    Found it on some weapon site:

    - Virtually indestructible LED regulated to maximize output and runtime.
    -Precision TIR lens creates a smooth, tight beam with enough surround light for peripheral illumination.
    -Integral, ergonomic one-finger ambidextrous momentary and constant on switching.
    -Instantly attaches to both Universal and Picatinny accessory rails.
    -Accepts optional pressure-activated switches for precision control without altering grip.
    -Max Output: Green Light 400 lumens
    -Construction: High strength aluminum with Mil-Spec anodizing
    -Weight: 80g
    -Gross Weight: 190g
    -Over Length: 90mm
    -Color: Black/Dark Earth
    -Rail Type: 20mm Weaver rail
    -Operate by two 3V CR123A battery(not included)

    Wow! Cool! Thanks, Contraband.
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    It's her IMHO. Her eyes are very distinctive. As for a cameo, considering she's in the movie already, the additional hassle re time, insurance, costume etc, why would they bother?

    It is rather baffling
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited December 2020 Posts: 4,420
    Could it be Eliot Sumner as opposed to Seydoux?

    Thinking logically, I can't think of any reason why Seydoux would be with Primo, baring in mind he's trying to kill her in Matera...

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  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited December 2020 Posts: 2,823
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Could it be Eliot Sumner as opposed to Seydoux?

    Thinking logically, I can't think of any reason why Seydoux would be with Primo, baring in mind he's trying to kill her in Matera.

    @Denbigh Aah, damn, Totally forgot about Sumner. Of course, that must be her?! Height: 5' 8" (1.73 m). Plus we know she's part of the baddies.

    Bingo on that one

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    Good call
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2020 Posts: 6,415
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What purpose do those green lights serve exactly?

    As noted above - using green light maximises the efficiency of the night vision equipment they're wearing; the illumination translates better when combined with the phosphorous tubes in the equipment, which also famously produce a green image.
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