Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited October 2020 Posts: 8,009
    mtm wrote: »

    They are very plot driven films rather than character driven though. Even CR is plot driven over character for the most part. The character is appealing but it’s rarely about his character.

    Take the character away and the plots automatically become less interesting, is my point.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    mtm wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Did they test Connery, Lazenby they did, how about Moore?

    It’s a good question, if they did I’ve not heard of it. I guess with Moore his whole career had been a test for Bond up until that point (!) so I could understand if they didn’t, with Connery it’s a bit weirder. Maybe they just got him to read for them live?

    Sir Roger was the man.
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    mtm wrote: »

    They are very plot driven films rather than character driven though. Even CR is plot driven over character for the most part. The character is appealing but it’s rarely about his character.

    Take the character away and the plots automatically become less interesting, is my point.
    +1
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    In all honesty I can see both sides of the black Bond argument and I am not exactly sure where I stand on it. There is no reason why he shouldn't be black in the films, but then I am sympathetic to the continuity argument and keeping him essentially supposed to be the same bloke in all films. I don't see the different actors as playing different Bond characters. They are the same character in different situations. Whenever I watch Roger Moore's Bond for example, I see him as a man who in the distant past had been genitally tortured by Le Chiffre. It makes his character more interesting. Hence why he has a flippant approach to threat - because he has seen far worse in the past.

    And when people say Moore is miles away from Fleming's take on the character I question that too. We don't see the glum and depressed side of Fleming's Bond in Moore's films, but Fleming's Bond often acted with amusement and confidence in the face of bizarre villains, would occasionally make a quip, and also often acted paternally or at least felt responsible for vulnerable women - things I admire in Moore's take on the character. People often forget that Moore showed his dangerous side far more often than is given credit for - his sense of danger and swag in LALD, TMWTGG, and TSWLM especially (with the odd moments here and there in his later films). In fact, he shows immense swag in all his films, even in AVTAK (even if his physique can't quite match it).

  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    I agree Moore isn’t given credit for his darker moments as Bond and would often act in Fleming character, but his MO or comfort zone was smirky glib charm in films that were often pastiche. You can also question how credible he was in Fleming character. I have a hard time picturing Moore withstanding genital torture, but Connery all day long.
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    James Bond is a British secret intelligence service agent, code number 007, residing in London but active internationally, who in the world we live in, could be a black man or a man of any other race as long as the character remains British.

    That's an incomplete characterisation, from which race, gender and overall physical characteristics were taken away. So I'd say that's only half of it, if that. James Bond is more than what you've depicted @Denbigh, my friend.

    Exactly. Race, physical appearance and gender do define the character of Bond and those rules have already been set.

    Also, as a response to the Axel Foley comments. He’s a black character and should remain as such.

    Axel Foley can talk his way into getting whatever he wants. If he wants a free room in a fancy hotel like the Beverly Palm Hotel, all he has to do is go up to the front desk and say they made a mistake with the reservation. When they contest this, he launches into a tirade about racism and makes a scene, after which they give him a room. The whole reason this is funny is because he’s black. The rules of this character (appearance, characteristics etc) have been set.

    Regarding Foley, if he was not conceived originally as Black before casting Eddie Murphy, he became very much a Black character once Murphy made Foley his own. I don't know if anybody can play Axel Foley but Murphy and I doubt a remake would be a good idea, but if there was one Foley could only be Black. Not White, Asian or Hispanic.
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    With Elba, I just didn't like how much he advertised himself for the role...

    I thought he generally kept quiet on it? I know there was that funny photo of him and Craig, but I don't remember much else. I do think he generally comes across as a spanner and rather full of himself, but hey, so does Bond! :)

    He did everything but keep quiet about it. He behaved exactly like that actor from Nip/Tuck: like the role was meant to be his by right.

    I'm looking through a few of the articles and I'm not really seeing any comments which come across to me like that. I'm looking at a Vanity Fair interview where they've asked him about it and he's said "Of course, if someone said to me "Do you want to play James Bond?", I'd be like, Yeah! That's fascinating to me.
    'But it's not something I've expressed, like, Yeah, I wanna be the black James Bond."


    I dunno, I'm not getting the vibes that he's acting like it's his by right from that.

    When he was rumoured he made a few tweets about it. Something like:" Shouldn't Bond be handsome? Thank you for thinking about me," and" This is what the people want so they should listen to them." Not his exact words, but something of the sort. From what I've understood he didn't say that a Black actor deserved the role, but that HE deserved it by popular acclaim. He's not the first one who said such thing, to be fair, but as for the Nip/Tuck guy, it's a very presumptuous way to express your interest.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    mtm wrote: »

    They are very plot driven films rather than character driven though. Even CR is plot driven over character for the most part. The character is appealing but it’s rarely about his character.

    Take the character away and the plots automatically become less interesting, is my point.

    Well naturally; as I said, the character of Bond is appealing. But as Nick said, the films are about the plots. A lot of the pleasure is in seeing how Bond reacts to certain plot situations though of course.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    To be fair to Elba, I'm not sure if it was a legitimate interest or whether he was just enjoying the attention that came with it. Strangely enough, it usually came back around into circulation when he had a new film coming out. Perhaps he was just a smart PR guy rather than a genuine candidate?
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    To be fair to Elba, I'm not sure if it was a legitimate interest or whether he was just enjoying the attention that came with it. Strangely enough, it usually came back around into circulation when he had a new film coming out. Perhaps he was just a smart PR guy rather than a genuine candidate?

    I think there's a lot of that. If it is the case it didn't serve him that well: when was his last big success? The Jungle Book?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    In all honesty I can see both sides of the black Bond argument and I am not exactly sure where I stand on it. There is no reason why he shouldn't be black in the films, but then I am sympathetic to the continuity argument and keeping him essentially supposed to be the same bloke in all films. I don't see the different actors as playing different Bond characters. They are the same character in different situations. Whenever I watch Roger Moore's Bond for example, I see him as a man who in the distant past had been genitally tortured by Le Chiffre. It makes his character more interesting. Hence why he has a flippant approach to threat - because he has seen far worse in the past.

    That's interesting- I'm not sure if I do. I'm not even sure if I believe the Bond who fights Zorin even remembers flying up into space.
    And when people say Moore is miles away from Fleming's take on the character I question that too. We don't see the glum and depressed side of Fleming's Bond in Moore's films, but Fleming's Bond often acted with amusement and confidence in the face of bizarre villains, would occasionally make a quip, and also often acted paternally or at least felt responsible for vulnerable women - things I admire in Moore's take on the character. People often forget that Moore showed his dangerous side far more often than is given credit for - his sense of danger and swag in LALD, TMWTGG, and TSWLM especially (with the odd moments here and there in his later films). In fact, he shows immense swag in all his films, even in AVTAK (even if his physique can't quite match it).

    You won't find me criticising Roger in any way! I don't know if I can see it that way, as I don't really see them as the same character, but I'm happy enough if they aren't. He's James Bond 007, movie star and that's fine by me. It's a bit like when folks criticise the Christopher Reeve Superman movies because Clark Kent shouldn't be his cover identity but should be his real self. But sod that, I don't care how it is in some comics I'm not reading: the films are brilliant and so is he.
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    I have a hard time picturing Moore withstanding genital torture, but Connery all day long.

    I'm not going to try with either! :D
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited October 2020 Posts: 8,009
    Ludovico wrote: »
    To be fair to Elba, I'm not sure if it was a legitimate interest or whether he was just enjoying the attention that came with it. Strangely enough, it usually came back around into circulation when he had a new film coming out. Perhaps he was just a smart PR guy rather than a genuine candidate?

    I think there's a lot of that. If it is the case it didn't serve him that well: when was his last big success? The Jungle Book?

    Hobbs and Shaw made a big chunk of change last Summer; that was the last time his name was bandied about by tabloids for Bond too, unless I've missed something since.
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »

    They are very plot driven films rather than character driven though. Even CR is plot driven over character for the most part. The character is appealing but it’s rarely about his character.

    Take the character away and the plots automatically become less interesting, is my point.

    Well naturally; as I said, the character of Bond is appealing. But as Nick said, the films are about the plots. A lot of the pleasure is in seeing how Bond reacts to certain plot situations though of course.

    Yeah, he did say that. He also said this:
    Yeah, that's a good point and very difficult to argue. Hopefully not too off topic, but I've often thought about with Batman, it's his villains that really make the stories interesting, like Batman is this immovable object and the villains are unstoppable forces, and we watch because we want to see what'll happen when they collide. And I would say with Batman stories, the character certainly is at the forefront, and the story revolves around the character to bend him and test his limits, much in the way Bond stories are told, so I think I could agree with you and say the same about Bond. I hope at least some of that made sense...

    So there you go. Plot plus character.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Ludovico wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    James Bond is a British secret intelligence service agent, code number 007, residing in London but active internationally, who in the world we live in, could be a black man or a man of any other race as long as the character remains British.

    That's an incomplete characterisation, from which race, gender and overall physical characteristics were taken away. So I'd say that's only half of it, if that. James Bond is more than what you've depicted @Denbigh, my friend.

    Exactly. Race, physical appearance and gender do define the character of Bond and those rules have already been set.

    Also, as a response to the Axel Foley comments. He’s a black character and should remain as such.

    Axel Foley can talk his way into getting whatever he wants. If he wants a free room in a fancy hotel like the Beverly Palm Hotel, all he has to do is go up to the front desk and say they made a mistake with the reservation. When they contest this, he launches into a tirade about racism and makes a scene, after which they give him a room. The whole reason this is funny is because he’s black. The rules of this character (appearance, characteristics etc) have been set.

    Regarding Foley, if he was not conceived originally as Black before casting Eddie Murphy, he became very much a Black character once Murphy made Foley his own. I don't know if anybody can play Axel Foley but Murphy and I doubt a remake would be a good idea, but if there was one Foley could only be Black. Not White, Asian or Hispanic.

    Wasn't there talk of some Netflix Beverley Hills Cop 4 on the way at some point?
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    With Elba, I just didn't like how much he advertised himself for the role...

    I thought he generally kept quiet on it? I know there was that funny photo of him and Craig, but I don't remember much else. I do think he generally comes across as a spanner and rather full of himself, but hey, so does Bond! :)

    He did everything but keep quiet about it. He behaved exactly like that actor from Nip/Tuck: like the role was meant to be his by right.

    I'm looking through a few of the articles and I'm not really seeing any comments which come across to me like that. I'm looking at a Vanity Fair interview where they've asked him about it and he's said "Of course, if someone said to me "Do you want to play James Bond?", I'd be like, Yeah! That's fascinating to me.
    'But it's not something I've expressed, like, Yeah, I wanna be the black James Bond."


    I dunno, I'm not getting the vibes that he's acting like it's his by right from that.

    When he was rumoured he made a few tweets about it. Something like:" Shouldn't Bond be handsome? Thank you for thinking about me," and" This is what the people want so they should listen to them." Not his exact words, but something of the sort. From what I've understood he didn't say that a Black actor deserved the role, but that HE deserved it by popular acclaim. He's not the first one who said such thing, to be fair, but as for the Nip/Tuck guy, it's a very presumptuous way to express your interest.

    I'm not really getting those impressions from those words either to be honest! :) Are you sure he wasn't being tongue-in-cheek? If he said the handsome thing it sounds like a joke.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    To be fair to Elba, I'm not sure if it was a legitimate interest or whether he was just enjoying the attention that came with it. Strangely enough, it usually came back around into circulation when he had a new film coming out. Perhaps he was just a smart PR guy rather than a genuine candidate?

    I think there's a lot of that. If it is the case it didn't serve him that well: when was his last big success? The Jungle Book?

    Hobbs and Shaw made a big chunk of change last Summer; that was the last time his name was bandied about by tabloids for Bond too, unless I've missed something since.


    It was pretty good fun too in a very brainless way of course! Elba did well enough with his role but it was a bit thankless in that his character was only really angry all the time.
    So there you go. Plot plus character.

    That is how all stories pretty much work, yes. But you can generally divide them all into plot-driven and character-driven, and Bond falls into the first category. All stories have characters in them though of course, and Bond's character is, as we've both been saying, a very appealing element in these movies.
    Funnily enough I'd say possibly less so in the books. He's got some quirks but generally he's just a bit of a machine in the books and the pleasure from reading them comes in the pace and wild imagination of the world around him. Bond himself is a bit of a blank slate. He doesn't do much that's cool, he rarely makes gags, there's no vicarious pleasure in seeing him do something the reader wouldn't do to the scale we get in the films. There's pleasure in the world he lives in and the things he gets to do, but I don't know if the reader gets much of a chance to fall in love with the man himself. I think it's quite interesting how the movies made Bond the star.
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    Maybe it was mostly tongue in cheek, but the rumour was serious enough for Amy Pascal to think it's a great idea. Be that as it may, if it was remotely serious, that's not how you get the role.

    In any case, race considerations aside, I never understood what people found Bondian about Idris Elba. Colin Salmon yes, he looks like a Black Bond and I can understand why people would want him in the role.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    That is how all stories pretty much work, yes. But you can generally divide them all into plot-driven and character-driven, and Bond falls into the first category. All stories have characters in them though of course, and Bond's character is, as we've both been saying, a very appealing element in these movies.
    Funnily enough I'd say possibly less so in the books. He's got some quirks but generally he's just a bit of a machine in the books and the pleasure from reading them comes in the pace and wild imagination of the world around him. Bond himself is a bit of a blank slate. He doesn't do much that's cool, he rarely makes gags, there's no vicarious pleasure in seeing him do something the reader wouldn't do to the scale we get in the films. There's pleasure in the world he lives in and the things he gets to do, but I don't know if the reader gets much of a chance to fall in love with the man himself. I think it's quite interesting how the movies made Bond the star.

    Yes, that is how stories work. By contrast, what you're describing is a very rigid view on storytelling and I think most would struggle with it as it eliminates stories that balance both. Bond is a character and is a natural driving force in the plots of all the stories (sometimes of his own initiative), after all. Plenty of spy stories do the same thing. I don't see it as being that black and white.

    As for Bond in the books, I'm not really sure I agree with you there. I don't see him as a blank slate at all. But a lot of that goes back to me seeing Bond as an extension of the author himself, whom I both admire for his skills and talents and am repulsed by his views in equal measure. But I appreciate that is a matter of taste moreso than anything else. Gags, doing cool things, etc are pebble dashing to me - though you are right that it was the amplification of these things that propelled the character to the "superstar" levels that he has enjoyed for so long.

    I feel like a character that is essentially more of a vessel for us to experience "things" in a film is someone like Mad Max. He is a true blank slate. I don't see Bond as being in a similar vein.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Maybe it was mostly tongue in cheek, but the rumour was serious enough for Amy Pascal to think it's a great idea. Be that as it may, if it was remotely serious, that's not how you get the role.

    I don't know, the studio head thinking it's a great idea doesn't exactly seem a bad way of getting of a role! :D
    Ludovico wrote: »
    In any case, race considerations aside, I never understood what people found Bondian about Idris Elba. Colin Salmon yes, he looks like a Black Bond and I can understand why people would want him in the role.

    Elba is a big handsome guy who lots of people find very attractive, he's an alpha male type, he's a charismatic lead performer in movies, he can handle comedy and drama, he can smoulder in a pretty sexy way, he's built like Connery, he's got the swagger... I'm not sure what isn't Bondian about him to be honest. He'd need to tone down the Sarf Lahdahn, but if Roger could manage that I'm sure he could! As I said before, I do find him to be a bit full of himself when he is himself, but as an actor he's pretty good. But he's a bit too old for it now.
    Salmon's okay, I never found him to be a very good actor to be honest. He always seems to be over-enunciating to me and kind of trips up on his words.
  • edited October 2020 Posts: 14,799
    Amy Pascal is not exactly known to have very good ideas or to back up good ideas. Case in point: her enthusiasm for the train wreck that was the Ghostbusters remake. In any case, it was not her call to make and showed a lack of respect for her coworkers and the actor holding the role at the time.
    Elba looks too brutish. With a few more pounds he'd make a great Mr Big. Colin Salmon I haven't seen him in a role in years, but he looks better imo and in his heyday had at least as much charisma.
  • iamurospiamurosp Belgrade, Serbia
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    Turner. Aidan Turner.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Amy Pascal is not exactly known to have very good ideas or to back up good ideas.

    It doesn't really matter if she's the one in charge! :)
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Elba looks too brutish.

    Nope. He can certainly look tough when he needs to, which is rather what Bond is. I'd take tough over fey in a Hiddleston kind of way any day of the week.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Colin Salmon I haven't seen him in a role in years, but he looks better imo and in his heyday had at least as much charisma.

    Not really, no. I'd say there's a reason one is a movie star and one wasn't.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I think I'd say Daniel Craig looks a little more brutish than Idris Elba does, personally.
    Colin Salmon would have been/basically was a great Bill Tanner, much better than Kinnear is, even if Kinnear is a better actor than Salmon.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2020 Posts: 5,834
    Honestly, maybe he could've been good, but given his age now, I'd say he's certainly out of the case.

    I also personally feel like the overexposure of the guy would make the films akin to what the Mission Impossible franchise is with Tom Cruise, just watching Idris Elba do the things that James Bond would do, as opposed to watching James Bond do those things. I'd also say the same about many actors who are overexposed at this point.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly, maybe he could've been good, but given his age now, I'd say he's certainly out of the case.

    I also personally feel like the overexposure of the guy would make the films akin to what the Mission Impossible franchise is with Tom Cruise, just watching Idris Elba do the things that James Bond would do, as opposed to watching James Bond do those things. I'd also say the same about many actors who are overexposed at this point.

    Totally agree.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Amy Pascal is not exactly known to have very good ideas or to back up good ideas.

    It doesn't really matter if she's the one in charge! :)
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Elba looks too brutish.

    Nope. He can certainly look tough when he needs to, which is rather what Bond is. I'd take tough over fey in a Hiddleston kind of way any day of the week.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Colin Salmon I haven't seen him in a role in years, but he looks better imo and in his heyday had at least as much charisma.

    Not really, no. I'd say there's a reason one is a movie star and one wasn't.

    How much of a movie star is Elba really? His biggest/greatest role was in a TV show and while he was stellar as Stringer Bell, it was a while ago.

    As for Amy Pascal, she was never in charge of casting Bond. Thankfully. And didn't she leave Sony in disgrace?
  • edited October 2020 Posts: 4,400
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly, maybe he could've been good, but given his age now, I'd say he's certainly out of the case.

    I also personally feel like the overexposure of the guy would make the films akin to what the Mission Impossible franchise is with Tom Cruise, just watching Idris Elba do the things that James Bond would do, as opposed to watching James Bond do those things. I'd also say the same about many actors who are overexposed at this point.

    Not sure how fair this statement is as it's so dependent on the actor. If Craig had made 2-3 films each year, then he'd risk being overexposed. It just happens that he does 1 film every 2 years or so (if that). Basically, you only really see him play Bond these days. The last film he was the leading man - aside from a Bond film - was in 2011 (I'm excluding Knives Out as he was only the nominal lead, as that film was clearly an ensemble piece)!

    Now, if you're saying that Bond can't be played by a high-profile actor who has their own 'reputation', than that's a different story. In which case, I'd say that Tom Hardy who is very well-known would fit that bill. For those reasons, if he played Bond you would just be watching Hardy aping the Bond style. In which case, I wholly agree with you @Denbigh

    I'm still praying that WB give in to fan pressure and give the greenlight to Ben Affleck doing his own Batman film. Then Pattinson's film becomes an afterthought and R-Ratz can become the next 007. That could happen....Wasn't that a quote that Barbara Broccoli liked Pattinson for the role? Considering Pattinson looks destined to be a one-time Batman, I'd say he's not 100% out of the running. Plus, people are crazy for Henry Cavill as 007 and he's already Superman...

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    Also, interestingly when they were casting Batman in 2018. Jack O'Connell was on that shortlist. He's one of the most fearless and committed actors out there. He is growing into his features perfectly and looks more rugged than ever. However, (whilst I supported him vehemently as a future 007 years ago) people on this forum have talked me out of my support due to his height. He is little.....But has the look.

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    It's interesting because about 3 years ago, I wanted O'Connell to play 007 more than anything. R-Patz was not even on my radar and I would imagine he'd be someone I'd actively speak out against. Now, I want R-Patz more than anything and I'm ambivalent on O'Connell.

    So......this is a short way of saying that this race is far from over. People we favour today will quickly loose heat and those we wouldn't even imagine in our worst nightmares may become our favourites.

    In response to this post, they'll be a flurry of people arguing over Aidan Turner. Someone will mention Callum Turner and I'll probably turn up with another curveball like Timothee Chalamet. This whole thing has become so circular.....So I'm gonna just enjoy the time we have left with Daniel Craig in the role and log off this thread! I'll return when the real rumours begin.

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly, maybe he could've been good, but given his age now, I'd say he's certainly out of the case.

    I also personally feel like the overexposure of the guy would make the films akin to what the Mission Impossible franchise is with Tom Cruise, just watching Idris Elba do the things that James Bond would do, as opposed to watching James Bond do those things. I'd also say the same about many actors who are overexposed at this point.
    Now, if you're saying that Bond can't be played by a high-profile actor who has their own 'reputation', than that's a different story. In which case, I'd say that Tom Hardy who is very well-known would fit that bill. For those reasons, if he played Bond you would just be watching Hardy aping the Bond style. In which case, I wholly agree with you @Denbigh
    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Going back to my MI comparison, those films are just Tom Cruise doing some action sequences, and I wouldn't want James Bond to fall into something similar.
    I'm still praying that WB give in to fan pressure and give the greenlight to Ben Affleck doing his own Batman film. Then Pattinson's film becomes an afterthought and R-Ratz can become the next 007. That could happen....Wasn't that a quote that Barbara Broccoli liked Pattinson for the role? Considering Pattinson looks destined to be a one-time Batman, I'd say he's not 100% out of the running. Plus, people are crazy for Henry Cavill as 007 and he's already Superman...
    As for Pattinson, and I know you've probably seen my comments on this already, before he was cast as Bruce Wayne/Batman, and in another world in which he wasn't, I would fully be behind this and would give good money to see him play the 00 agent...

    ...but considering the plans for a trilogy, the fact that WB isn't going to invest in any plans to turn The Batman into an afterthought, and that this Batman film inparticular is shaping into something I've wanted from that franchise in particular for a long time, while managing to cast Pattinson and Kravitz in leading roles, I'd say it's not going to happen, and that those chances are beyond our grasp @Pierce2Daniel.
    Also, interestingly when they were casting Batman in 2018. Jack O'Connell was on that shortlist. He's one of the most fearless and committed actors out there. He is growing into his features perfectly and looks more rugged than ever. However, (whilst I supported him vehemently as a future 007 years ago) people on this forum have talked me out of my support due to his height. He is little.....But has the look.
    As for Jack O' Connell, I'm fully behind this decision. He's a great actor, and while I agree that if he isn't considered, it's probably his height that'll get in the way, if he does end up getting it, then I'd be over the moon.
    Someone will mention Callum Turner...
    ...and that someone will almost certainly be me :D
    I'm actually quite surprised you're not more onboard with him @Pierce2Daniel, as to me, he's the next best thing, now that Pattinson is almost certainly out of the running. Not to mention, I can't give you any reason why he wouldn't be considered.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    How tall Jack O'Connell is?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    How tall Jack O'Connell is?
    5′ 8″
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    How tall Jack O'Connell is?

    Looks like he's 5'8".

    I think he looks a bit more rugged than some of the other guys mentioned here. If B26 does in fact take a decade or so to get underway he might be alright.

    Still he's only 5'8".
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    How tall Jack O'Connell is?

    Looks like he's 5'8".

    I think he looks a bit more rugged than some of the other guys mentioned here. If B26 does in fact take a decade or so to get underway he might be alright.

    Still he's only 5'8".

    I really think this is the most realistic outlook.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    edited October 2020 Posts: 395
    Denbigh wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    How tall Jack O'Connell is?
    5′ 8″

    I think out there is taller actor's.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly, maybe he could've been good, but given his age now, I'd say he's certainly out of the case.

    Indeed yes, we're just talking about him in a sort of 'could have been' rather than 'should be'.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I also personally feel like the overexposure of the guy would make the films akin to what the Mission Impossible franchise is with Tom Cruise, just watching Idris Elba do the things that James Bond would do, as opposed to watching James Bond do those things. I'd also say the same about many actors who are overexposed at this point.

    It's an interesting point, and I'm sure that's part of why they like to get actors on the way up rather than actual fully fledged stars, yes. Also I'm sure they're cheaper that way! :D
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Amy Pascal is not exactly known to have very good ideas or to back up good ideas.

    It doesn't really matter if she's the one in charge! :)
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Elba looks too brutish.

    Nope. He can certainly look tough when he needs to, which is rather what Bond is. I'd take tough over fey in a Hiddleston kind of way any day of the week.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Colin Salmon I haven't seen him in a role in years, but he looks better imo and in his heyday had at least as much charisma.

    Not really, no. I'd say there's a reason one is a movie star and one wasn't.

    How much of a movie star is Elba really? His biggest/greatest role was in a TV show and while he was stellar as Stringer Bell, it was a while ago.

    Well he's starred in movies. He's not The Rock, no, but he's been in a film with him :)
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly, maybe he could've been good, but given his age now, I'd say he's certainly out of the case.

    I also personally feel like the overexposure of the guy would make the films akin to what the Mission Impossible franchise is with Tom Cruise, just watching Idris Elba do the things that James Bond would do, as opposed to watching James Bond do those things. I'd also say the same about many actors who are overexposed at this point.
    Now, if you're saying that Bond can't be played by a high-profile actor who has their own 'reputation', than that's a different story. In which case, I'd say that Tom Hardy who is very well-known would fit that bill. For those reasons, if he played Bond you would just be watching Hardy aping the Bond style. In which case, I wholly agree with you @Denbigh
    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Going back to my MI comparison, those films are just Tom Cruise doing some action sequences, and I wouldn't want James Bond to fall into something similar.


    Ooh no they're much better than that. If Spectre had been half as satisfying as Rogue Nation or as tense and exciting and viceral as Fallout I'd have been a very happy Bond fan. Right now Mi is wearing the crown, it's up to NTTD to bring it home.
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