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  • Posts: 1,545
    Indeed ! Though -- as I've noted somewhere among these various threads -- the extra time, I had hoped, would provide the opportunity to review, revise, improve, particularly after reading how the script was late-blooming, so to speak. I understand various participants have obligations to meet on other projects, but, as I've said, I thought they might go back and polish this particular gem at least a little.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 8,245
    belleswann wrote: »
    It is a bit ridiculous they had five years and they were still writing the script while shooting.

    @belleswann , on most big budget films, the final script isn’t really finished until the film is edited and locked. There is constant rewriting of scenes during production, and even little tweaks here and there in ADR. Even the way the film is edited, scenes may be chopped or rearranged in a way that wasn’t realized during the writing phase.
    A screenplay is merely the blueprint.
  • belleswannbelleswann britain
    Posts: 35
    peter wrote: »
    belleswann wrote: »
    It is a bit ridiculous they had five years and they were still writing the script while shooting.

    @belleswann , on most big budget films, the final script isn’t really finished until the film is edited and locked. There is constant rewriting of scenes during production, and even little tweaks here and there in ADR. Even the way the film is edited, scenes may be chopped or rearranged in a way that wasn’t realized during the writing phase.
    A screenplay is merely the blueprint.

    Definitely you're right about that but from interviews with Cary and Lea and others involved there was no finished screenplay going into filming and scenes were being written the day before. I know things change a little but I remember reading the Casino Royale script and it was almost exactly what we saw on screen. I just don't get how they couldn't manage that in five years.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,368
    belleswann wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    belleswann wrote: »
    It is a bit ridiculous they had five years and they were still writing the script while shooting.

    @belleswann , on most big budget films, the final script isn’t really finished until the film is edited and locked. There is constant rewriting of scenes during production, and even little tweaks here and there in ADR. Even the way the film is edited, scenes may be chopped or rearranged in a way that wasn’t realized during the writing phase.
    A screenplay is merely the blueprint.

    Definitely you're right about that but from interviews with Cary and Lea and others involved there was no finished screenplay going into filming and scenes were being written the day before. I know things change a little but I remember reading the Casino Royale script and it was almost exactly what we saw on screen. I just don't get how they couldn't manage that in five years.

    Reminds me of QoS. There's hope yet!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 7,999
    belleswann wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    belleswann wrote: »
    It is a bit ridiculous they had five years and they were still writing the script while shooting.

    @belleswann , on most big budget films, the final script isn’t really finished until the film is edited and locked. There is constant rewriting of scenes during production, and even little tweaks here and there in ADR. Even the way the film is edited, scenes may be chopped or rearranged in a way that wasn’t realized during the writing phase.
    A screenplay is merely the blueprint.

    Definitely you're right about that but from interviews with Cary and Lea and others involved there was no finished screenplay going into filming and scenes were being written the day before. I know things change a little but I remember reading the Casino Royale script and it was almost exactly what we saw on screen. I just don't get how they couldn't manage that in five years.

    The script was being REwritten, not that there was no screenplay the day before shooting.
  • belleswannbelleswann britain
    edited October 2020 Posts: 35
    belleswann wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    belleswann wrote: »
    It is a bit ridiculous they had five years and they were still writing the script while shooting.

    @belleswann , on most big budget films, the final script isn’t really finished until the film is edited and locked. There is constant rewriting of scenes during production, and even little tweaks here and there in ADR. Even the way the film is edited, scenes may be chopped or rearranged in a way that wasn’t realized during the writing phase.
    A screenplay is merely the blueprint.

    Definitely you're right about that but from interviews with Cary and Lea and others involved there was no finished screenplay going into filming and scenes were being written the day before. I know things change a little but I remember reading the Casino Royale script and it was almost exactly what we saw on screen. I just don't get how they couldn't manage that in five years.

    The script was being REwritten, not that there was no screenplay the day before shooting.

    Didn't Cary say he was writing while shooting because all of Danny Boyles script had been scrapped and he had a third of the usual preproduction time and Lea said unlike with Spectre where there was a script and everything was planned out it was the opposite of that this time that there wasn't a set script and things were more up in the air.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,882
    Whether it was written, or re-written that close to filming, doesn't matter, it is still a very cack-handed approach to writing the films, given the length of time between installments.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    FRWL had a lot of rewriting and reshoots involved. So it’s not always an issue.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    FRWL had a lot of rewriting and reshoots involved. So it’s not always an issue.

    Yes it was an absolute mess (and to be honest a bit of me thinks it shows in places- it doesn't really take off until Bond steals the Lector) with scenes having to be reshot against rear-projected footage of the scenes they were replacing because they'd taken the sets down! :D
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    So many great films were written as they went along. It is, of course, never ever ideal. But it is unfortunately very common.
  • Posts: 3,160
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!
  • Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.
  • Posts: 625
    Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.

    54 years for 2 Mary Poppins movies (1964 and 2018)
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 3,018
    Book release - Aston Martin: Made in Britain

    Written by stunt driver Ben Collins, former The Stig and racing Aston Martins in four James Bond movies

    From bestselling author, racer and stunt driver Ben Collins - the man who was The Stig - comes a story of spies, speed and hard-driving genius: a driver's love letter to one of the world's best-loved machines. Aston Martin's first, wickedly fast models were forged at a time when Ferrari's premises at Maranello was nothing but a ploughed field. This book celebrates a century of innovators who kept the fire burning brightly for over a century, from the visionary pioneers Martin and Bamford to modern-day design guru Adrian Newey; from a glamorous web of pre- and post-war spies and racing drivers, to David Brown and the achingly beautiful DB models beloved of Bonds past and present. Ben Collins explores the car with the double-o prefix from a unique perspective behind the wheel, carving through country lanes in his father's V8 Vantage, driving Aston Martins in four James Bond movies and competing against them in the legendary Le Mans 24-hour race. Ultimately, this is a very British success story: of a triumph of engineering that has burned brightly from the Roaring 20s to the 2020s, and an iconic car that never says die.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aston-Martin-Britain-Ben-Collins/dp/1529410819
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    edited October 2020 Posts: 972
    I guess Madeleine's childhood backstory which she shared in Spectre while in the train with Bond plays an integral part in NTTD...
  • Posts: 3,160
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.

    54 years for 2 Mary Poppins movies (1964 and 2018)
    But only 10 years for eight Harry Potter movies!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    I think both sides have valid points about long gap in film's either it's bond or any other but we have to look at the circumstances that pushed them to delay those film's.
  • Posts: 625
    imranbecks wrote: »
    I guess Madeleine's childhood backstory which she shared in Spectre while in the train with Bond plays an integral part in NTTD...

    That's not a spoiler, is it?

    It's the first thing that was discussed in every Bond forum, when pictures from the Norway shoot in March/April 2019 came up.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 13,879
    No way is that a spoiler, I speculated the Norway scene was connected to the SP train scene way back in February last year.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited October 2020 Posts: 4,548
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.

    54 years for 2 Mary Poppins movies (1964 and 2018)
    But only 10 years for eight Harry Potter movies!

    *Harry Potter (source material was already there, kinda like Bond 1962-1977). ;)
    imranbecks wrote: »
    I guess Madeleine's childhood backstory which she shared in Spectre while in the train with Bond plays an integral part in NTTD...

    I think that that's a reasonable conclusion. I still wonder about this:
    In SP, she says the man showed up to kill her father. She also says she knew where they kept a gun, and I always assumed that this meant: 1. Mr White was there; 2. Madeleine shot and killed the man. Neither are true, perhaps.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.

    54 years for 2 Mary Poppins movies (1964 and 2018)
    But only 10 years for eight Harry Potter movies!

    *Harry Potter (source material was already there, kinda like Bond 1962-1977). ;)

    Yes I do tend to think that they had it a little easier when they were making Dr No-Thunderball because the source material was all there for them to garnish and polish, and I'm sure that must have helped them to knock them out one a year.
  • Posts: 4,599
    Obviously, we are all fans, but let's not kid ourselves. Fleming was no Shakespeare or Dickens. He created great characters and a template. There were and are great writers out there (I'm convinced). It's just EON seems to have trouble getting hold of good scripts and seems to want every part of one project tied up before taking a break and then starting from scratch.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
    Posts: 2,032
    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.

    54 years for 2 Mary Poppins movies (1964 and 2018)
    But only 10 years for eight Harry Potter movies!

    *Harry Potter (source material was already there, kinda like Bond 1962-1977). ;)

    Yes I do tend to think that they had it a little easier when they were making Dr No-Thunderball because the source material was all there for them to garnish and polish, and I'm sure that must have helped them to knock them out one a year.

    To add to that, making films was simply easier and quicker.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Barbara broccoli breaks silence on if a new bond is cast.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/next-james-bond-daniel-craig-tom-hardy-producers-interview/

    So nothing's been done to further the next era, as I feared. Shame. This pandemic time could be time well spent.

    Mission Impossible franchise 2015-22: Four movies
    The Bond franchise: Two

    It’s not a competition.

    I wasn't saying it is. But we are facing only two Bond movies released in 11-12 years (!). That's simply not good enough.

    Toy Story 1995
    Toy Story 2 1999
    Toy Story 3 2010
    Toy Story 4 2019

    Four films in 25 years. Pixar sucks.

    And it took them 20 years to make three Godfather movies!

    And 31 years to do 3 Bill & Ted movies.

    54 years for 2 Mary Poppins movies (1964 and 2018)
    But only 10 years for eight Harry Potter movies!

    *Harry Potter (source material was already there, kinda like Bond 1962-1977). ;)

    Yes I do tend to think that they had it a little easier when they were making Dr No-Thunderball because the source material was all there for them to garnish and polish, and I'm sure that must have helped them to knock them out one a year.

    To add to that, making films was simply easier and quicker.

    Plus there weren't the same expectations after you've made two of them that there are after you've made 24.
    Even even then the one-a-year model wasn't sustainable and they only managed it for four in a row.
  • So many great films were written as they went along. It is, of course, never ever ideal. But it is unfortunately very common.

    In fairness, a lot of crap films are also written this way.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    octofinger wrote: »
    So many great films were written as they went along. It is, of course, never ever ideal. But it is unfortunately very common.

    In fairness, a lot of crap films are also written this way.

    That's a given.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    And this is a gibbon.

    5360598.jpg
  • mtm wrote: »
    And this is a gibbon.

    5360598.jpg

    Looks like he's just finished watching SPECTRE.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    Or he's waiting for NTTD!
  • mtm wrote: »
    Or he's waiting for NTTD!

    😂😂. Yeah, that's where the grey hairs come from.
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