Which Bond novel are you currently reading?

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    Just started rereading Diamonds Are Forever. I think I finished it the last time around, but I'm not entirely sure, as I was reading more than one book then.

    Anyway, I'm not going to read another book until after DAF this time.
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    I think the Players story is a nice break from the action into a completely different sort of world than the rest of the novel, almost like a fairy tale. And it also rounds off the character of Domino, who has come off as fiery and impetuous but now reveals a sensitive and dreamy side.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited August 2019 Posts: 7,962
    Nice review indeed @Major_Boothroyd ! small detail: iirc the numbers given to theheads of SPECTRE rotate, hence Blofeld here not beeing nr.1. So they're only code names and don't imply hierarchy.

    Vanuatu sure seems like the place to read Thunderball!


    And here's my review of

    The Diamond Smugglers by Tan Fleming

    Allthough not a Bond story, it's closely related to Bond, if only because the agent referenced to as 'Blaize', the antagonist in the story, comes to Fleming to tell his story because he enjoyed the James Bond books, especially Diamonds Are Forever.

    At least, that's what Fleming tells us. It's a story of the organisation that was set in place to stop the illegal diamond trade, as told by Bliaze to Fleming (Blaize beeing a fictitious name of course). The book, then, isn't a fictional story, but holds the middle between a novel and a long magazine article. And it's there that it's weakness lies. It never really gets exciting. It's a series of anecdotes, in which as a reader you never really feel like you're getting the full picture. Who's really doing what? What's the result? Who's in real danger and why? all sorts of questions that remain unanswered. The result is a rather boring book, where Fleming's creativity and power of depiction are shown strongest in the situation where he describes him talking to Bliaze, rather than the stories Blaize tells. They remain vague and non-exciting, even though we're getting the feeling that's where the gold, pardon, diamonds, should lie.

    What is interesting though is the natural way the British monopoly on diamonds and diamond trade through the De Beers company is seen as essential to the Britsh economy. It's a stance which wouldn't be supported these days anymore, and one you could already in the fifties and sixties losing its ground on humanitairian grounds and the basis of the self-governing rights of the peoples in Africa.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I found it to be quite an informative and entertaining book.

    Perhaps my expectations were set too high. After all it's been years since I found something new to read written by Fleming himself, but for me it never really gives the information it promises, nor the threat and suspension you get from a thriller.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Funnily enough, Devil May Care is the one and only Bond continuation novel I have read thus far. I though it was fine, but very forgetable. Come to think of it I don't remember much of the plot, or who the villain was really. I remember Bond plays tennis at one point, which was a good bit.

    Anyway, after being left dumbfounded by the lack of news and updates of the next Bond film, I took the advice of a few members here and decided to delve into the back catalogue, and pick up a Bond book. I had a copy of ON HER MAJESTYS SECRET SERVICE which I had intended to read over the christmas period one year, but got too busy for. I was saving it for a special occasion, since its one of the few remaining Fleming titles which I have yet to read, and as I understand it, one of his best. So last Monday the 15th, I sat down with the book and began reading. I just finished the last page last night. For me thats pretty good going.

    The number one thing that struck me reading this book is how much Flemings style and voice, as well as his main character, have changed from the earlier stories. In Casino Royale, Live And Let Die, Diamonds Are Forever, Moonraker and From Russia With Love, at least how I remember them, the style was more serious and "down to business". Think of the first line of Casino Royale "the stench and smoke and sweat of a casino are neaseating at three in the morning. It throws the reader into this scene, and straight away highlights the uncomfortable feeling atmosphere. Flemings style is almost opressive, and when Bond is introduced he is instantly cynical and suspicious, almost tired of living. Felmings descriptions are sharp and to the point. And although the stories are frequently exciting, theres not much humour to procedings. Bond will occasionally have a dry remark to himself, but mostly he is too wrapped up in the situation, calculating. I had read once that Fleming wrote James Bond to relive his glory days working in the service during the war, and that Casino was inspired by a real life card game he had with some germans. Except in real life he lost the game. So I imagine when Fleming came to write the stories, yes he embellished and romaticised certain aspects, but the idea was to evoke the life as it would have been. Fleming didn't create a complete fantasy world, Bond is still fallible, and faces near death many times, not to mention the psychological scars he is given. When there is torture, it is brutal, and Bond not recover overnight.

    Which is why reading OHMSS felt so strange for me. I was used to hardboiled styel, that to sea him open this book with a rosey picture of Bond relaxing on a beach almost took me offguard. Infact, the entire book feels completely different to the earlier books. There is a bit of a tangle woth Bond and Tracy being kidnapped, which Bond more or less goes along with, then we have the affable Draco to lighten things up. Then Bond heads to the college of Arms where he spends a chapter at cross purposes with an old chap named Griffon Or. Literally the entire encountre is like a comedic interlude to interrupt the story, until Bond meets his real contact. I'm not complaining but, I don't remember ever seeing this kind of thing happening to Bond in the other novels. And it continues pretty much throughout the story. Bond hads to the alps, and on his first night there he is awoke to the screams of a man being pushed to his death. But instead of tensing up and being extra careful, Bond almost plays it off as it had been humourous start to the day. He even makes repeated reference back to the incident, with phrases like "what a way to going!"

    And thats another thing I noticed, jist how muxh Bond exclaims, either verbally or in his thoughts. The old Bond always seemed a cool cat, like not much really thrilled or shocked him. Atleast not outside of a highstakes game of cards, or a car chase. But here, he frequently seems to be enjoying the adventure. He will often remark to himself something like "what a fine way to spend Christmas this is!" Or something similar. Even when he is skiing down the mountain, his thoughts seem to be filled more with exhileration than terror.

    Again, theres nothing wrong with this, but it did take me somewhat offguard, as so often we hear fans talk about the books as if they are so much more serious and hard-edged than the movies, and Bond is an introspective and thoughtful hero. But it seems to me like hes not so far from the on screen version in this book.

    It seems like to me that although Fleming created Bond as a (somewhat) realistic character who lived in the real world of danger and death around every corner. By the time of the later books he must have grown tired of that hardboiled style, and of Bond. I think he made the later Books more fanciful, relaxed and humourous, almost to keep himself interested in writing them. Casino Royale was written to scratch an itch, and that itch had long been scratched, but he could not kill off such a popular character, so he repurposed it to keep himself amused. Thats my thoughts at least, and the impression I was left with. I remember having this sense with Thunderball too. But all that being said, the final pages of the book were still very hard hitting, and the sombre final note is still probably the best moment in the series, as holds true for the films also. I was glad to find they adapted that completely as Fleming wrote it, even with the police man on the motorcycle.

    Next I'm planning on reading IT by Stephen King, (if I can make it through all 1,200 pages).
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Nice review @Pierce2Daniel . Yes, OHMSS has a bit lighter tone. Many acquit that to the first film. Fleming was influenced by the way Connery protrayed Bond in Dr. No.
    A big compliment, by the way, for Connery.
    However, I think the truth is a bit more - shall we say, complicated? I'm currently reading Thrilling Cities ( on which in al tare post more) and I find (written in '59) Fleming already adopts a more humourous style. He does refer to Bond often enough (flying on friday the 13th, like Bond, i.e., but unlike Bond it doesn't bode well for the flight), but all in all just seems to enjoy his travels very much. Somehow I feel it was a good time for Fleming, and it reflects in his writing.
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    Fleming began writing a more humorous, reflective Bond in Goldfinger, which is also the book where he began reworking material from previous Bond stories.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Fleming began writing a more humorous, reflective Bond in Goldfinger, which is also the book where he began reworking material from previous Bond stories.

    You're right, he is different there also. I suppose it jist never truly dawned on me until reading OHMSS just HOW MUCH the charcater and tone changed.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited October 2019 Posts: 7,962
    Again, not a Bond-novel, but sure from Ian Fleming and he's beeing called 'Bond' in there often enough: Thrilling Cities.
    I was a bit... unexpectant after 'The Diamond Smugglers', but boy was I wrong! It's Ian Fleming at what Ian does best. I love the book! His discriptions, his comments, his 'slightly romanticised' encounters. It's just fantastic. I also love the way he references to Bond and the Bond-stories, at one point referring to 'A quantum of Solace'.
    You canread he loves travelling, and he loves the high life and moreover he loves flamboyand people. His interview with the top smuggler in Hong Kong, his encounter with Chaplin and his wife. It's all such fun to read. You hardly need Bond's (extreme) adventures to be entertained.
    Perhaps, one day, I'll start a thread here which follows the book step by step, seeing what's still left of the places he visits and describes.

    I couldn't reccommend a book more!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Perhaps, one day, I'll start a thread here which follows the book step by step, seeing what's still left of the places he visits and describes.

    I haven t read the book yet, but that would make for an interesting thread.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Perhaps, one day, I'll start a thread here which follows the book step by step, seeing what's still left of the places he visits and describes.

    I haven t read the book yet, but that would make for an interesting thread.

    I would certainly be interested in that thread. I have read Thrilling cities, and i have even used it as a travel guide on some occasions, so i am very familiar with it.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Perhaps, one day, I'll start a thread here which follows the book step by step, seeing what's still left of the places he visits and describes.

    I haven t read the book yet, but that would make for an interesting thread.

    It does! I haven't had that much fun reading for quite some time. Admittatly most of my reading is academic, but still..

    @00Agent i'll keep it in mind. Perhaps from march i'll have time to go for it.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I'm still working my way through all 60 novels. Currently on The Facts of Death with only the Bensons, MP and 5 new books left.

    Can I read them all before No Time To Die?...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited October 2019 Posts: 6,776
    The Spy Who Loved Me

    Read all the other Flemings somewhere around 2006/07 for the first time, except for this one. I’m enjoying it so far. It feels special to discover a Fleming novel for the first time.

    Then I suppose I should get on to the continuation novels, but I’m not sure if I will. How many are there and are they worth it?
  • There's loads. The Gardener and Benson ones took Bond into the eighties and beyond. More true to the Fleming timeline are Colonel Sun and the two Horowitz recent ones. My advice would be to start with those three. All very readable.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'm reading Casino Royale. What a book.
    One thing I love, is the relationship between Bond and Felix, they feel more like mates than allies in the books. Hopefully No Time To Die captures some of that feeling.
    Jeffrey Wright is by far my favourite Felix, he has such a strong presence
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Finally got around to reading Forever And A Day

    I'm about a quarter of the way through and i'm really enjoying it. Wonderful opening with the original 007 turning up dead in Marseille And Bond getting his licence to kill as well as taking the 007 number.

    Horowitz's writing is really impressive and his dialogue is natural and witty.

    So far so good!
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Forever and a Day. I am loving it through 8 chapters. More than a good deal of the Flemings to be honest.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I recently discovered that there are some audiobooks of Fleming's Bond novels on YouTube. I'm listening to Casino Royale now.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    @Birdleson
    Can't put my finger on it, but I just enjoy his style personally. The characterizations of Bond and M have been great, and I find his flow in storytelling enjoyable. I am by no means an avid reader, so my opinion means little, just my preference and perspective so far.
    I will say chapters 8-9 we're a bit on the weak side, without going into spoilers.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Little more than halfway into the Moonraker audiobook on YouTube. I'll either read OHMSS or Trigger Mortis next. I'm not sure yet which.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Almost finished Forever and a day. I
    Enjoy both of Horowitz's novels.
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    Personally I struggled to even get through Solo. I never quite enjoyed it fully, but for certain chapters.
  • I really enjoyed Bryce Fitzjohn and wished we got to see more of her! She had a lot of spunk and is one of my favourite continuation characters than I've read.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    It does move much slower than any other Bond novel, but I enjoy the meanderings and the build up.

    If I find it, I will give it a shot.
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    Rereading Casino Royale for the first time since at least ten years!
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I just finished rereading William Boyd's SOLO, for the first time since its initial release in 2013 (in reality, I listened to the audiobook, so I can't say that I actually read it again). I am more convinced than ever that is a worthy addition to the canon. Along, solely, with Kingsley Amis' excellent COLONEL SUN and the two Wood adaptations, it is one of the very few continuation novels that I will recommend.

    Unlike many who have been given the go ahead to pen a Bond novel, Boyd is a strong writer, with confident, natural prose. As with Amis, there is no attempt to mimic Fleming here, but to give us a taste of that world in the author's own fashion. Boyd's Bond with minimal effort feels like the Bond we have become familiar with through the works of his creator; there is none of the uncomfortable overreach that we often get in these later Bond novels.

    This is a far more cerebral Bond novel, with a more cerebral Bond. The action is long in coming, and when it does it is low-key, yet shocking. Bond's violence very personal and brutal in this entry; beyond what we have seen in the past. The book gives us rich environments, and many astute and worthy observations through Bond's inner monologue.

    There are flashbacks to Bond's time in the war, which I enjoyed. I don't mind filling in Bond's past if it doesn't contradict, or try to explain Fleming. It's not trying to answer any big mystery. We also get to read Bond acting as a military Commander in present day (which would be 1968, when the novel is set).

    The plot is thick and embroiled. Felix makes a return, and is used in a new and interesting manner. The novel includes some nice Bond/M scenes, yet I feel that M's superior's voice feels a little off; like Boyd never really nailed it with the character.

    I would love to see this book adapted as a film in the future, but I don't think that it has what EON or the studios are looking towards for the franchise.

    Recommend!

    Great review @Birdleson nice to hear some positive words about SOLO instead of the usual trashing. I read through the last couple continuation Novels two years ago, and SOLO really stuck out to me as a great read. Deep characterization (for a Bond novel) and it felt authentic. It puts Bond in a very unusual Environment but it has many great, and memorable moments for me.

    From what i understand, Boyd had incorporated some personal life experiences from his time in Africa and the war into the book, so it definitely feels authentic. Overall it works.

    I would say it's one of my favorites out of the continuation novels.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    As I said in the thread devoted to the book, I just started reading my first Bond continuation novel, Forever And A Day. If I like it enough (good so far) I’ll read Trigger Mortis next, or possibly first do Goldfinger given the connection.
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    I'm re-reading CR. Bond is quite a cold fish compared to the later books.
    I did notice that before the text of Vesper's letter, it says "Bond threw the letter down as if it had been a scorpion". Then there's the text of the letter, and afterwards it says "Bond threw the letter down". It seems a bit clunky to say it twice, does anyone think this is something the proof-reader might have missed? (Understandably, as they're three pages apart).
    It's in the chapter The Bleeding Heart.
  • Agent_47Agent_47 Canada
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    Currently reading You Only Live Twice, about at the halfway point. It's been a slow but ultimately enjoyable ride, Bond's interaction with Tiger and Henderson are the highlight so far. Reading the book again only makes me wish they had given Charles Grey more time to play alongside Connery.

    Still have to say... I can only picture Connery when reading the novels, nobody else.
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