NTTD - Official Trailer Discussion Thread - First trailer OUT NOW (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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    After watching the trailer I’m inclined to believe the rumour that the genetic warfare isn’t with regards to cloning, but
    Safin using genetics to breed a form of malicious algae that will destroy the worlds oceans and cause catastrophic ecological damage. You can see in this image that behind Nomi are some tanks containing some sort of marine plant life.
    W6rU4DHs_o.png
    This is in keeping with the theme of current/zeitgeisty villain schemes during the Craig era. A plot like that is the perfect blend of a high-stakes, world threatening danger, while being rooted in current, real world issues and threats.
    2006 - Post 9/11 terrorism
    2008 - Corrupt political influence/lobbying
    2012 - Cyberterrorism/Julian Assange
    2015 - Mass Surveillance/Edward Snowden
    2020 - Climate Change/Ecology/Biological Warfare
    I don’t think the young Madeleine piece has much to do with cloning but is moreso about establishing her personal connection to Safin. In a sense Safin is to Madeleine what Blofeld is to Bond.

    I have no idea if you're right, but I like your idea @battleshipgreygt. As for the backstory of Safin I think you might actually be spot on.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ertert wrote: »
    @ColonelSun , @peter

    I'd be curious to know your thoughts on the "Flashback" scene, Safin's mask and facial disfigurements, etc. if you have any interest in kindly sharing.

    This trailer gave us so much to chew on I feel like I have no clue where this could all lead.

    I suspect, just suspect, the Norway Ice Lake scene opens the film, but it is simply set in the past like the GE pre-title was set in the past, so it is not a flashback in that sense. Later in the film, we will connect the past to the present. And then we will understand the true significance/meaning of that opening scene.

    Hi @ertert, this trailer still has my head spinning. During the Norway sequence Safin's face is quite scarred, more so than when he confronts Bond presumably later in the film... Has he been poisoned? Was it White who poisoned him? Does White have an antidote? Does this antidote temporarily save him? Does it lead to something more?...

    Right now I'm loving the mystery.

    This film feels dense and epic, and I am, quite honestly, lost in where it will lead us.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 1,215
    Ludovico wrote: »
    After watching the trailer I’m inclined to believe the rumour that the genetic warfare isn’t with regards to cloning, but
    Safin using genetics to breed a form of malicious algae that will destroy the worlds oceans and cause catastrophic ecological damage. You can see in this image that behind Nomi are some tanks containing some sort of marine plant life.
    W6rU4DHs_o.png
    This is in keeping with the theme of current/zeitgeisty villain schemes during the Craig era. A plot like that is the perfect blend of a high-stakes, world threatening danger, while being rooted in current, real world issues and threats.
    2006 - Post 9/11 terrorism
    2008 - Corrupt political influence/lobbying
    2012 - Cyberterrorism/Julian Assange
    2015 - Mass Surveillance/Edward Snowden
    2020 - Climate Change/Ecology/Biological Warfare
    I don’t think the young Madeleine piece has much to do with cloning but is moreso about establishing her personal connection to Safin. In a sense Safin is to Madeleine what Blofeld is to Bond.

    I have no idea if you're right, but I like your idea @battleshipgreygt. As for the backstory of Safin I think you might actually be spot on.

    My guess is that
    Safin’s had some sort of vendetta or hostility towards Mr. White (I get the sense that Safin and Blofeld may not necessarily be on the same team as evidenced by Blofeld seemingly offering some valuable information to Bond and the gassing of the dance floor at what appears to be a Spectre event. Also wouldn’t doubt that Blofeld/White are potentially responsible for his physical condition/health) and set out to kill him and his family, which was ultimately unsuccessful. When Bond kills White, apprehends Blofeld, and takes off with Madeleine, the news reaches Safin and he comes back to settle some scores.

    So we have Bond being hunted by Spectre, Madeliene under threat from Safin’s people, and the events of Spectre and No Time to Die, setting those two threads on a collision course. Perhaps Silva/M may be a better comparison than Bond/Blofeld.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited December 2019 Posts: 2,483
    Anyone else nervous about all this talk of cloning and genetic warfare?
    I'm interested to see how it plays out but I'm nervous that it could be too Sci-Fi for Craig's Bond
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 1,661
    Trailer looks good. Love the end scene. However, I still struggle to really believe Craig is Bond. He's getting less attractive as time goes on (I guess we do, fair enough!) but I dunno, I just can't accept him as Bond. I've tried for fifteen long years but I can't. Sorry. I still love the concept of Bond but I just wish someone more more charismatic and Bond handsome had got the role back in 2005.

    I'm sorry to drag this carcass of a debate back but the trailer - although cool - is tainted by Craig's casting. My brutal honest opinion. The pain of his casting still hurts so I don't care if anyone is offended by my comment. I've had the pain too, y'know. 15 years of it. Anyway, trailer looks good. I just can't lie and say "amazing trailer, Craig is awesome" when I've never thought he was. The photography looks great.
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    I'm too still waiting for Craig to convince me as Bond, @fanbond123. I hope it will happen with NTTD, but I'm not counting on it.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Not sure how much more convincing people need. Seriously? After all this time? He IS Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    New Poster: Nice to see you, Miss Moneypenny

    She’s stunning but I don’t love that particular photo.
  • silva13silva13 Australia
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    That's the great thing about this franchise. We can all have our favorite Bond. Personally can not imagine anyone else in the roll now after having Craig for so long. He has truly encapsulated everything that makes Bond unique. The only thing that lets him down is the writing from time to time but even then he is still selling this character 100% .
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited December 2019 Posts: 16,328
    Thought I'd put in my two cents. I wasn't really wowed by the trailer. Which is a first for me. Not really looking forward to Bond and Madeline's relationship problems. Looks like something out of Days of our Lives. The only thing that really surprised me was how much it looked a lot like Skyfall. I guess if it makes a billion dollars you gotta try making it over and over again. :))
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Some of us had pain from 1995 - 2002 so you aren't on your own there.

    I wasn't convinced back then, you can look like someone with all the bells and whistles and still come across like a tribute act.

  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    silva13 wrote: »
    That's the great thing about this franchise. We can all have our favorite Bond. Personally can not imagine anyone else in the roll now after having Craig for so long. He has truly encapsulated everything that makes Bond unique. The only thing that lets him down is the writing from time to time but even then he is still selling this character 100% .

    This.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited December 2019 Posts: 2,483
    Naomie Harris is beautiful, so glad to see she has her own poster. She is such a great ambassador for the franchise
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Anyone else nervous about all this talk of cloning and genetic warfare?
    I'm interested to see how it plays out but I'm nervous that it could be too Sci-Fi for Craig's Bond

    All this talk of cloning so far is just that. Talk. Based on rumours based on talk. As for genetic warfare, it can be many different things and not scifi at all.
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    Ok, I thought of a thing that the studio might do...

    Imagine if Malek is actually Dr. No...

    It turns out he is Dr. No, he somehow escapes and we all think he is dead or whatever

    Bond is 007 again.

    There's some explanation and Bond has to go to a casino or whatever.

    Last shot:

    Dark-haired woman is therere as sort of a dealer.

    The camera goes behind a man in a tuxedo who is playing on the table.

    The woman says

    "I admire your luck Mister.."

    -Bond. James Bond.

    We don't see the face of Bond, we just hear it, and that's how it ends.

    Full circle with Dr. No.

    I am not saying this will happen but I believe there's at least 1% possibility of this happening.

    What would you think?

    And what would you think if Dr. No is actually Malek?
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    Bond and Swann in Matera. Exactly why are they there? Only for him to visit Vesper's grave, which is rigged with explosives?
  • RC7RC7
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Bond and Swann in Matera. Exactly why are they there? Only for him to visit Vesper's grave, which is rigged with explosives?

    We don’t know yet. None of us have seen the film.
  • silva13silva13 Australia
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    We already have such a good Dr No from 1962. I hope Safin is an original villain. They can borrow traits from Dr No all they want take all the inspiration from any of the novels or films but it would be a shame to reinvent a character when there is a wealth of others to mine.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    I’m only speculating, but if the Norway ice lake that’s featured in the trailer happens to be a flashback... And if the little girl also happens to be young Madeleine, then perhaps it’s both Safin *and* Blofeld that show up at White’s lodge. I’m thinking of that scene in Spectre where Blofeld tells Madeleine that she was just a little girl when he saw her last. Perhaps Safin was once Blofeld’s underling but something goes wrong during their attack on White’s house, with Madeleine having to defend herself against Blofeld/Safin, thus setting up Safin’s vendetta in NTTD....?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Bond and Swann in Matera. Exactly why are they there? Only for him to visit Vesper's grave, which is rigged with explosives?

    Craig said in an earlier interview that they go to Matera twice in this film.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @Ludovico Yeah that's true mate. That are a lot of aspects they could go for with this and a lot different avenues they could explore. It'll definitely be interesting to see where they go with this. At least it's something new and unseen, rather than being formulaic

    I'm really interested to see how Madeline and Safin are linked. Could he have saved her life? Have they got a child together? (hopefully not)
    I've only seen it 3 times, one thing I keep thinking is about how Madeline comes back into the story after Jamaica. Does she work for MI6? Has she been recruited by Nomi?
  • silva13silva13 Australia
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    I’m only speculating, but if the Norway ice lake that’s featured in the trailer happens to be a flashback... And if the little girl also happens to be young Madeleine, then perhaps it’s both Safin *and* Blofeld that show up at White’s lodge. I’m thinking of that scene in Spectre where Blofeld tells Madeleine that she was just a little girl when he saw her last. Perhaps Safin was once Blofeld’s underling but something goes wrong during their attack on White’s house, with Madeleine having to defend herself against Blofeld/Safin, thus setting up Safin’s vendetta in NTTD....?

    I keep thinking this too. However, why does Mr White work for Blofeld all those years later?
    I get the vibe that the story Madeline tells on the train about shooting the intruder definitely relates to safin.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
    edited December 2019 Posts: 265
    silva13 wrote: »
    I’m only speculating, but if the Norway ice lake that’s featured in the trailer happens to be a flashback... And if the little girl also happens to be young Madeleine, then perhaps it’s both Safin *and* Blofeld that show up at White’s lodge. I’m thinking of that scene in Spectre where Blofeld tells Madeleine that she was just a little girl when he saw her last. Perhaps Safin was once Blofeld’s underling but something goes wrong during their attack on White’s house, with Madeleine having to defend herself against Blofeld/Safin, thus setting up Safin’s vendetta in NTTD....?

    I keep thinking this too. However, why does Mr White work for Blofeld all those years later?
    I get the vibe that the story Madeline tells on the train about shooting the intruder definitely relates to safin.

    Ok, I thought I was the only who was thinking along the same lines! You did make a good point, though, because if our theory’s right...why would White continue working for SPECTRE after that? This plot is driving me crazy!
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    dragonsky wrote: »
    Ok, I thought of a thing that the studio might do...

    Imagine if Malek is actually Dr. No...

    It turns out he is Dr. No, he somehow escapes and we all think he is dead or whatever

    Bond is 007 again.

    There's some explanation and Bond has to go to a casino or whatever.

    Last shot:

    Dark-haired woman is therere as sort of a dealer.

    The camera goes behind a man in a tuxedo who is playing on the table.

    The woman says

    "I admire your luck Mister.."

    -Bond. James Bond.

    We don't see the face of Bond, we just hear it, and that's how it ends.

    Full circle with Dr. No.

    I am not saying this will happen but I believe there's at least 1% possibility of this happening.

    What would you think?

    And what would you think if Dr. No is actually Malek?

    Nah, thanks, leave that kind of fanwankery to SW movies.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 1,395
    Fanwankery. Haha now that's a new word. :))
  • silva13silva13 Australia
    Posts: 198
    @Gatecrasher it's incredibly hard to work out any type of plot to this film. Very different times to when we read the whole plot of Spectre before seeing it.
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    I’m only speculating, but if the Norway ice lake that’s featured in the trailer happens to be a flashback... And if the little girl also happens to be young Madeleine, then perhaps it’s both Safin *and* Blofeld that show up at White’s lodge. I’m thinking of that scene in Spectre where Blofeld tells Madeleine that she was just a little girl when he saw her last. Perhaps Safin was once Blofeld’s underling but something goes wrong during their attack on White’s house, with Madeleine having to defend herself against Blofeld/Safin, thus setting up Safin’s vendetta in NTTD....?

    Apparently the other intruder was killed. I know what you mean both Madeline and Blofeld tell the same type of story except Madeline claims not to remember Blofelds visit or account of it.

    I’m starting to doubt again that it’s a young Madeline in a flashback. Mr white and mrs white are nowhere to be seen. Surely mr white would try to retrieve his daughter off the ice and shoot safin.

    Here’s what I think,

    Madeline knows and is the first to call Spectre what it is in Austria. She knows what the organization is called before bond and Q. She would know the whole Spectre gang including safin.



    I think safin is at the cabin to retrieve his child he had with Madeline, either willingly or by some genetic experiment, and successfully does so. This is a pretty big secret she has a child. What other secret could there be? Safin came to the house once with Blofeld to chat with mr white? Can’t be that simple.

    Safin uses the child to get Madeline to betray bond. Safin keeps the child for the next five years , in that time Madeline desperately searches for her daughter and assists mi6 when the kidnapped scientist connected to safin brings bond back into the fold.

    This also explains why madeline is in Norway at the end.

    If I had to guess bond and swann just become a family with the child. No marriage just together at the end.

  • The_Bleeding_HeartThe_Bleeding_Heart Oakland, CA
    Posts: 34
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I’m only speculating, but if the Norway ice lake that’s featured in the trailer happens to be a flashback... And if the little girl also happens to be young Madeleine, then perhaps it’s both Safin *and* Blofeld that show up at White’s lodge. I’m thinking of that scene in Spectre where Blofeld tells Madeleine that she was just a little girl when he saw her last. Perhaps Safin was once Blofeld’s underling but something goes wrong during their attack on White’s house, with Madeleine having to defend herself against Blofeld/Safin, thus setting up Safin’s vendetta in NTTD....?

    Apparently the other intruder was killed. I know what you mean both Madeline and Blofeld tell the same type of story except Madeline claims not to remember Blofelds visit or account of it.

    I’m starting to doubt again that it’s a young Madeline in a flashback. Mr white and mrs white are nowhere to be seen. Surely mr white would try to retrieve his daughter off the ice and shoot safin.

    Here’s what I think,

    Madeline knows and is the first to call Spectre what it is in Austria. She knows what the organization is called before bond and Q. She would know the whole Spectre gang including safin.



    I think safin is at the cabin to retrieve his child he had with Madeline, either willingly or by some genetic experiment, and successfully does so. This is a pretty big secret she has a child. What other secret could there be? Safin came to the house once with Blofeld to chat with mr white? Can’t be that simple.

    Safin uses the child to get Madeline to betray bond. Safin keeps the child for the next five years , in that time Madeline desperately searches for her daughter and assists mi6 when the kidnapped scientist connected to safin brings bond back into the fold.

    This also explains why madeline is in Norway at the end.

    If I had to guess bond and swann just become a family with the child. No marriage just together at the end.

    Woah, that's heavy stuff, but would make a lot of sense. The secret, being Madeleine had a child whom Bond knew nothing about. If that's the case, though, I'm still kind of weary of there being a kid involved in this plot...

    However, I am beginning to think there are remnants of both SPECTRE *and* Safin's organization (I'm imagining Blofeld and Safin are rivals) that are after both Bond and Madeleine, with both camps vying to tie up loose ends by killing them both for their own reasons.
  • The_Bleeding_HeartThe_Bleeding_Heart Oakland, CA
    Posts: 34
    silva13 wrote: »
    @Gatecrasher it's incredibly hard to work out any type of plot to this film. Very different times to when we read the whole plot of Spectre before seeing it.

    That's true. It almost makes me want to rewatch all of Craig's Bond films to see where NTTD's plot fits in all this.
  • Posts: 1,680
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I’m only speculating, but if the Norway ice lake that’s featured in the trailer happens to be a flashback... And if the little girl also happens to be young Madeleine, then perhaps it’s both Safin *and* Blofeld that show up at White’s lodge. I’m thinking of that scene in Spectre where Blofeld tells Madeleine that she was just a little girl when he saw her last. Perhaps Safin was once Blofeld’s underling but something goes wrong during their attack on White’s house, with Madeleine having to defend herself against Blofeld/Safin, thus setting up Safin’s vendetta in NTTD....?

    Apparently the other intruder was killed. I know what you mean both Madeline and Blofeld tell the same type of story except Madeline claims not to remember Blofelds visit or account of it.

    I’m starting to doubt again that it’s a young Madeline in a flashback. Mr white and mrs white are nowhere to be seen. Surely mr white would try to retrieve his daughter off the ice and shoot safin.

    Here’s what I think,

    Madeline knows and is the first to call Spectre what it is in Austria. She knows what the organization is called before bond and Q. She would know the whole Spectre gang including safin.



    I think safin is at the cabin to retrieve his child he had with Madeline, either willingly or by some genetic experiment, and successfully does so. This is a pretty big secret she has a child. What other secret could there be? Safin came to the house once with Blofeld to chat with mr white? Can’t be that simple.

    Safin uses the child to get Madeline to betray bond. Safin keeps the child for the next five years , in that time Madeline desperately searches for her daughter and assists mi6 when the kidnapped scientist connected to safin brings bond back into the fold.

    This also explains why madeline is in Norway at the end.

    If I had to guess bond and swann just become a family with the child. No marriage just together at the end.

    Woah, that's heavy stuff, but would make a lot of sense. The secret, being Madeleine had a child whom Bond knew nothing about. If that's the case, though, I'm still kind of weary of there being a kid involved in this plot...

    However, I am beginning to think there are remnants of both SPECTRE *and* Safin's organization (I'm imagining Blofeld and Safin are rivals) that are after both Bond and Madeleine, with both camps vying to tie up loose ends by killing them both for their own reasons.

    Certainly possible.
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