CASINO ROYALE: Daniel Craig's best?

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    TLD, easy. Big Dalton fan here.

    Dalton is my favourite Bond, but I think GE is a slightly stronger film overall.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DN, GE, and CR.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Dr. No
    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale (yes, it’s a masterpiece)
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    CR hit my top 5 spot instantly on very first watching it at the cinema. It had everything I would want from a Bond film, in spades -

    1) A bruised and bloodied Bond, tortured, recovering in hospital. Craig delivered, giving us the perfect combination of Dalton's Flemingesque performance, with Connery's 60's macho swagger and panther-like walk.

    2) A film that relied mainly on the Fleming novel written in 1952, and surprisingly didn't deviate that much away from it, even for updating to modern times.

    3) Gritty, realistic, violent direction. The last time we saw this was in 1989.

    4) John Barry Mk2 - this was where Arnold really hit his stride, giving us the best soundtrack since 1987, and sounding every bit like it was composed and conducted by the maestro himself.

    5) YKMN - the best Bond song since 1987's TLD, and one of the very best in the franchise.

    For me the franchise ended after 1989, and began again in 2006, delivering exactly what I would expect from a Bond film. That ghastly period in-between didn't really happen. It just felt like a long hiatus between Dalton and Craig.

    Unfortunately, I never realised it at that time, but CR was to be a one hit wonder. It would never get better than that again.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    TB
    OHMSS
    TLD
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2020 Posts: 4,043
    As FRWL isn't there it would be.

    OHMSS

    CR

    SF

    OHMSS which would be the closest isn't perfect. I love CR but masterpiece, I don't think so.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    CR hit my top 5 spot instantly on very first watching it at the cinema. It had everything I would want from a Bond film, in spades -

    1) A bruised and bloodied Bond, tortured, recovering in hospital. Craig delivered, giving us the perfect combination of Dalton's Flemingesque performance, with Connery's 60's macho swagger and panther-like walk.

    2) A film that relied mainly on the Fleming novel written in 1952, and surprisingly didn't deviate that much away from it, even for updating to modern times.

    3) Gritty, realistic, violent direction. The last time we saw this was in 1989.

    4) John Barry Mk2 - this was where Arnold really hit his stride, giving us the best soundtrack since 1987, and sounding every bit like it was composed and conducted by the maestro himself.

    5) YKMN - the best Bond song since 1987's TLD, and one of the very best in the franchise.

    For me the franchise ended after 1989, and began again in 2006, delivering exactly what I would expect from a Bond film. That ghastly period in-between didn't really happen. It just felt like a long hiatus between Dalton and Craig.

    Unfortunately, I never realised it at that time, but CR was to be a one hit wonder. It would never get better than that again.

    Completely agree @jetsetwilly

    For me it was the best Bond film since TLD. I couldn't believe just how right they got it and how bloody good Craig was. It was also a faithful and beautifully updated adaptation of the novel.

    Alas, i think it raised the bar so high that nothing will ever get close to it again. Although i hope i'm wrong.
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    For me
    TLD
    OHMSS
    CR!
    Can watch those three on a loop forever!
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    I remember when they were casting Vesper that there was rumours of Thandie Newton. She'd have been interesting. But I recall there were a lot of rumours that Rose Byrne was a finalist. she was my pick. Eventually I did side with Oliva Wilde.

    I was skeptical of Eva Green initially. She wasn't a typically glamorous or well-known choice. She seems a little too hip and her filmography was limited and not known to me. However, I couldn't have had my faith more misplaced. Her casting was really edgy and cool. She has a evocative, urbane, chicness to her. But more importantly, Eva had an air of mystery. Something unknowing and enigmatic about her.......

    She has beautiful high cheek-bones, great hair and something slightly forbidden about her.....almost haunting.

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    Just found this amazing video discussing how character is explored through action. That opening sequence of CR is really truly perfect.

    I loved that one.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Dr. No
    The Living Daylights
    Casino Royale (yes, it’s a masterpiece)

    +1
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    It indeed is a masterpiece. It's a film you can see again and again and which only gets better with each viewing as you discover additional tiny details of greatness. Only the true classics of cinema are like that.
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    One of the best Bond films. But not the masterpiece of the series (FRWL, GF, and OHMSS all have a claim to that position). CR has its share of flaws: a broken-backed and lumpy structure, on-the-nose dialogue, questionable decisions in adaptation, and moments of contrived drama. But after the Brosnan era it felt like a paradigm shift, as indeed it was.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    When I left the cinema in 2006 I was speechless. Casino Royale is a masterpiece. It felt so fresh, dramatic and propulsive. Dire 'Nother Day had shaken my belief in EoN, but Casino Royale completely restored my faith in them. The script, tone, direction, cinematography and lead performance just blew my socks off.
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    Not enough people talk about how lit the cinematography in this film. Bravo, Phil Meheux 🔥🔥🔥

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    Always loved how Bond doesn't take his eyes off Le Chiffre here.....there's something cold and authoritative about it. It's unnerving and threatening. Also, it's damn cool.

  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    Casino Royale to me is the embodiment of what a modern Bond film should be. It takes the Fleming narrative a modernises it for a contemporary audience. The title sequence is my favourite in the entire series and CC's hard-edged title song is one of the best in the franchise, IMO. It's clear right from the beginning that the producers are set to take a different direction and shake things up. Craig's portrayal of Bond is inspired by Fleming, but delivered in the vain of cinematic Bond. There's a certain animal-magnetism and screen-presence that had been lacking in previous instalments. Following the Brosnan era where Bond almost became a caricature of himself, seeing Bond bleed and get injured both physically and physiologically is incredibly refreshing and inline with Fleming's idea of the character. I love that Bond is gadgetless in this film using only his intuition and wits to escape situations or chase down the enemy. James Bond was always a bit of a McGvyer in the books and I like that they reintroduced this idea. The cinematography in this film reminds me of that of the early 60's films. The film looks beautiful and the colours are vibrant and rich. While I'm not a fan of David Arnold and find him overrated by many fans, I feel that Casino Royale is his best entry in the series. I think this is down to the fact that he wasn't allowed to use the Bond theme constantly and when he does, it feels special instead of monotonous. The moment Craig puts on the tuxedo for the first time and walks up to mirror makes your hairs stand on end. The supporting cast is fantastic and Eva Green as Vesper Lynd was an inspired choice. The way the poker game is filmed is a credit to Martin Campbell. It's engaging and suspenseful. While, I would've loved to have seen the ending from the book adapted to the screen, I can understand why they created an action sequence around it and the death of Vesper followed by Bond resigning is brilliantly executed. The ending with Craig saying the famous line for the first time never fails to get my blood pumping. Casino Royale is a superb film and in my view the greatest Bond film since The Living Daylights and Craig's best Bond film.
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    Very well said, Octopussy and props to Pierce2Daniel and DrClatterhand for your observations. I agree that when those of us who saw CR when it came out in '06 will look back at how big a turning point in Bond history that was. A lot count GE as such a point and I can understand that although I don't share it; I did more so with TLD. CR really was a fresh start and shouldn't be discounted on what one thinks about the films that followed it.
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    Always found this to be the most iconic shot of Craig from Casino Royale...I welcome anyone to find a better photo

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  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'll give you that @Pierce2Daniel it's a fabulous shot of Craig.
    I'd add the three in as runner up's
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    I love Bond putting on the tux for the first time, checking himself out. As Vesper is amused looking on.
    Also the scene after Bond has killed Obanno. The look of what he has become. The world he's entered, a paid assassin.
    And finally the end with the introduction. It's a classic line, finally uttered at the end of the movie. Great ending.
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    Always found this to be the most iconic shot of Craig from Casino Royale...I welcome anyone to find a better photo

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    I think his entrance to the casino is really cool!
    And the shot of him examing the gun in the Aston, much better than a similar shot in SF, just before he follows Patrice!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Always found this to be the most iconic shot of Craig from Casino Royale...I welcome anyone to find a better photo

    3477fb7ee7ada8c797e3677a1fc21f78.jpg

    I think his entrance to the casino is really cool!
    And the shot of him examing the gun in the Aston, much better than a similar shot in SF, just before he follows Patrice!

    Yeah, i love that bit in CR when he checks the gun in the Aston. He looks so cool and professional!
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    In the hands of a more skillful director, CR would have been a masterpiece. But ultimately, it's not. There are too many amateurish, made-for-TV moments that drag a bit on the film's quality.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    In the hands of a more skillful director, CR would have been a masterpiece. But ultimately, it's not. There are too many amateurish, made-for-TV moments that drag a bit on the film's quality.
    Offer a few examples, please.
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    In the hands of a more skillful director, CR would have been a masterpiece. But ultimately, it's not. There are too many amateurish, made-for-TV moments that drag a bit on the film's quality.
    Offer a few examples, please.

    Yes I was wondering that too.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited April 2020 Posts: 4,554
    BT3366 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    In the hands of a more skillful director, CR would have been a masterpiece. But ultimately, it's not. There are too many amateurish, made-for-TV moments that drag a bit on the film's quality.
    Offer a few examples, please.

    Campbell has a penchant for close-ups of things that don't need them. The entire embassy sequence is horrible and looks like something out of MacGyver:

    1. The pull back to reveal the embassy sign, coupled with a suddent change in style and tone of Arnold;s music. It's bad.
    2. Bond's somersault*, and then Campbell closes in on Bond's face. Followed by...
    3. An unnecessary close up of a closed circult camera on a wall. Why?
    4. The close-up of Mollaka's face, as he goes to the ground, with a grunbt. Unnecessary.
    5. A quick close-up of a gun in the drawer.
    6. Another quick close-up: the small metal bust on the desk as the embassy official's head hits it.
    7. The close up of the button being pushed and...
    8. The close-up of the siren. In fact, Campbell zooms in on this. It's laughable. Why, oh, why? Does he think we don't know that sirens come from speakers such as this one?
    9. Inexcusably bad art direction in the scene outside the embassy, with a painted background that doesn't come close to matching what we saw outside the embassy the first time.
    10. Another lame close up of a face, this time a coughing guard.

    Then there's the Miami Airport sequence, with fewer issues, but it's still a bad action chase sequence, with ill-advised close-ups:

    1. The key into the sprinkler system
    2. The sprinklers themselves (we need a close-up of this?)
    3. The slipping and falling woman, who undercuts M's urgent message about the Skyfleet prototype. I have never been able to figure out why Campbell decided that we needed to see this women fall, hearing her thighs slapping the floor.
    4. Then comes the cherry on top: the horrendous pan reveal of the SkyFleet jet, with the hangar doors opening and Arnold's ridiculous bombastic music, as though we're seeing a reveal of King King. It is truly horrible filmmaking, embarrasingly bad.

    Add to this: the Ford Fusion commercial shot in the Bahamas and Bond's hilarious "whirl around" at nearly getting hit by a car during the posisoning sequence.

    BUT...

    Despite al of this, CR is still solid in my Top 4. Overall, Campbell finds his footing when we're in Montenegro. The film is more confidently directed and edited, and Arnold's score is stronger. Notice that most of the images posted from the film are from that latter half.

    Just don't ask me to call it a masterpiece. It's not. LOL

    * Compare Campbell's direction of the somersault (at the embassy) with Mendes's (at the Rome meeting). Notice how Mendes's subtle camera movement, downward as Bond hits the ground, adds weight to Bond's fall. You can tell which director is a master of his craft.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited April 2020 Posts: 8,026
    It's actually Campbell's workmanlike but pretty efficient directing that elevates Casino Royale for me. There's no frills about it.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    In the hands of a more skillful director, CR would have been a masterpiece. But ultimately, it's not. There are too many amateurish, made-for-TV moments that drag a bit on the film's quality.
    Offer a few examples, please.

    Campbell has a penchant for close-ups of things that don't need them. The entire embassy sequence is horrible and looks like something out of MacGyver:

    1. The pull back to reveal the embassy sign, coupled with a suddent change in style and tone of Arnold;s music. It's bad.
    2. Bond's somersault*, and then Campbell closes in on Bond's face. Followed by...
    3. An unnecessary close up of a closed circult camera on a wall. Why?
    4. The close-up of Mollaka's face, as he goes to the ground, with a grunbt. Unnecessary.
    5. A quick close-up of a gun in the drawer.
    6. Another quick close-up: the small metal bust on the desk as the embassy official's head hits it.
    7. The close up of the button being pushed and...
    8. The close-up of the siren. In fact, Campbell zooms in on this. It's laughable. Why, oh, why? Does he think we don't know that sirens come from speakers such as this one?
    9. Inexcusably bad art direction in the scene outside the embassy, with a painted background that doesn't come close to matching what we saw outside the embassy the first time.
    10. Another lame close up of a face, this time a coughing guard.

    Then there's the Miami Airport sequence, with fewer issues, but it's still a bad action chase sequence, with ill-advised close-ups:

    1. The key into the sprinkler system
    2. The sprinklers themselves (we need a close-up of this?)
    3. The slipping and falling woman, who undercuts M's urgent message about the Skyfleet prototype. I have never been able to figure out why Campbell decided that we needed to see this women fall, hearing her thighs slapping the floor.
    4. Then comes the cherry on top: the horrendous pan reveal of the SkyFleet jet, with the hangar doors opening and Arnold's ridiculous bombastic music, as though we're seeing a reveal of King King. It is truly horrible filmmaking, embarrasingly bad.

    Add to this: the Ford Fusion commercial shot in the Bahamas and Bond's hilarious "whirl around" at nearly getting hit by a car during the posisoning sequence.

    BUT...

    Despite al of this, CR is still solid in my Top 4. Overall, Campbell finds his footing when we're in Montenegro. The film is more confidently directed and edited, and Arnold's score is stronger. Notice that most of the images posted from the film are from that latter half.

    Just don't ask me to call it a masterpiece. It's not. LOL

    * Compare Campbell's direction of the somersault (at the embassy) with Mendes's (at the Rome meeting). Notice how Mendes's subtle camera movement, downward as Bond hits the ground, adds weight to Bond's fall. You can tell which director is a master of his craft.
    Now I'll be looking out for all of these things next time I watch it, LOL.

    I appreciate your taking the time to break it down and respect the view. I don't often see Campbell get treated with anything but reverence.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Nice write up. I agree that it is a fantastic Bond film, Craig's best.

    +1
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    It's actually Campbell's workmanlike but pretty efficient directing that elevates Casino Royale for me. There's no frills about it.

    Same here. In a way he reminds me of John Glen and his work on TLD and LTK. Also very workmanlike. No frills, but for a Bond film I don't want anything too arty or pretentious.
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