The name's 25. Bond 25, or rather, it's NTTD.

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  • Posts: 19,339
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 12,837
    I hate it. Might be the most generic and boring title we've ever had.

    I don't have a problem with die in the title. I thought the rumoured A Reason to Die was actually quite a cool sounding one (to me implied a broken older Bond, coming back for one last mission because he's got nothing else left). But No Time To Die is so much more generic sounding to me. It could be the title of literally any other random Bond knock off. How did they take all this extra time to come up with the title and come up with that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,453
    When Newman delivered his two Bond scores, people were screaming how so not "classical Bond" they sounded. They wanted Arnold back for "vintage Bond".

    Let's face it, Bond isn't like a delicate red wine; Bond is like Coca Cola. It's good, old-fashioned entertainment. And what do people do when Coca Cola goes experimental with its brand? They complain.

    It think it helps to think of NTTD, not so much as "generic" (as I initially thought) but as "classical Bond" (as I am thinking now). It's not a very original title; in my opinion, it doesn't have to be. "The Second Echo Reverberation" would have been quite original (as in: never ever used before, not even remotely), but it would have been bad! :D

    And again, the title is one thing; we have yet to see how the film behind it will turn out. :)
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 12,243
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=6071 (posted by @Walecs)
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 12,837
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    When Newman delivered his two Bond scores, people were screaming how so not "classical Bond" they sounded. They wanted Arnold back for "vintage Bond".

    Let's face it, Bond isn't like a delicate red wine; Bond is like Coca Cola. It's good, old-fashioned entertainment. And what do people do when Coca Cola goes experimental with its brand? They complain.

    It think it helps to think of NTTD, not so much as "generic" (as I initially thought) but as "classical Bond" (as I am thinking now). It's not a very original title; in my opinion, it doesn't have to be. "The Second Echo Reverberation" would have been quite original (as in: never ever used before, not even remotely), but it would have been bad! :D

    And again, the title is one thing; we have yet to see how the film behind it will turn out. :)

    I think there's a middle ground though between straying too far from the established framework/formula and sounding like a pastiche. The other original titles I think have towed that line rather well (although I suppose it helps that a couple of them still have roots in Fleming). This one doesn't imo.

    Newman's scores didn't go down too well because some people, like myself, thought they were too generic and didn't take enough cues from Barry in some ways (e.g. weaving the theme song throughout). But that doesn't mean I wanted something like TND's score which, while very good, is also very much a Barry pastiche. It just means I wanted something like Arnold's later efforts. Bond sounding but also experimental/different (TWINE/DAD had more electronic influence and QoS, probably his best score imo, had a very dark and ominous sound in places). There's a middle ground between being too different and playing it too safe and I think the same applies to the titles.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    Apparently the line "Live to Die Another Day" was found in a letter written by Ian Fleming, thus meaning that the movie was titled after Fleming
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 19,339
    FoxRox wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=6071 (posted by @Walecs)

    Well I didn't know that either,looks like DAD IS actually linked to Fleming.
    Walecs wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    Apparently the line "Live to Die Another Day" was found in a letter written by Ian Fleming, thus meaning that the movie was titled after Fleming

    That will 'one in the face' for all the DAD knockers haha.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited August 2019 Posts: 1,261
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.

    Thanks for clearing this up, Sir.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,882
    barryt007 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=6071 (posted by @Walecs)

    Well I didn't know that either,looks like DAD IS actually linked to Fleming.
    Walecs wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    Apparently the line "Live to Die Another Day" was found in a letter written by Ian Fleming, thus meaning that the movie was titled after Fleming

    That will 'one in the face' for all the DAD knockers haha.

    Knockers, @barryt007? ;)
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=6071 (posted by @Walecs)

    Well I didn't know that either,looks like DAD IS actually linked to Fleming.
    Walecs wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!

    What was that,i cant see the post about it ?

    Apparently the line "Live to Die Another Day" was found in a letter written by Ian Fleming, thus meaning that the movie was titled after Fleming

    That will 'one in the face' for all the DAD knockers haha.

    Knockers, @barryt007? ;)

    He he.............................................................kinky,major. ;))
  • Posts: 157
    Sam Mendes' new film is also all about time, isn't it? "Tempus fugit" may be a common motif, shared by 1917 and No Time to Die.

    Additionally, "NO" may be a reference to Dr. No, probably. If Blofeld can be brought to modern times, so does other iconic villains, like Dr. No and Goldfinger. It will happen, I think, it's just a matter of time.

    About the title, being a corruption on (to have) "time to kill", once more then the title is based upon an English Idiomatic expression. In Bond book tradition, there are several examples of this, continuation authors included.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2019 Posts: 7,981
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Very disappointed. Fleming used the term "Die" in one title, and now it seems to have become the fall back word. With that and the continuation of elements from SP, they're batting 1000 with me.

    I'm completely on the same page. Not happy with the title whatsoever. If anything it has brought my mood for the film down.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    The title is naff, unimaginative and generic.

    John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.

    Nobody Lives Forever
    Brokenclaw
    The Man From Barbarossa
    For Special Services

    Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;

    The Facts Of Death
    Never Dream Of Dying
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 12,837
    The title is naff, unimaginative and generic.

    John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.

    Nobody Lives Forever
    Brokenclaw
    The Man From Barbarossa
    For Special Services

    Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;

    The Facts Of Death
    Never Dream Of Dying

    I know from posts on here that the book itself is apparently crap (I've never read it), but I always thought Devil May Care was a cool title. Genuinely wouldn't mind them nicking that for a film. Everything or Nothing is another good one. Not sure why they decided to waste that on a video game.

    I'm just not seeing how No Time to Die could tie into the film in a clever way either, outside of a clunky DAD esque line. That's the only way it could redeem itself imo, if it ties into the film in a cool way. But it just doesn't match up with anything we know about the film so far. Really hoping there's some sort of plot detail that makes it significant and that it isn't as generic as it seems.

    Maybe Bond or the villain has some sort of illness and sees themselves as living on borrowed time, wanting to get the job done before they go? I don't know. I thought A Reason to Die was much more fitting.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Dr. Die
    From Russia to Die
    Diefinger
    Dieball
    You Only Die Twice
    On Her Majesty's to Die List
    Diemonds Are Forever
    Die and Let Die
    The Man with the Golden Die
    The Spy Who Died
    Dieraker
    For Your Dies Only
    Diepussy
    A View to Die
    The Dying Daylights
    Licence to Die
    GoldenDie
    Die Never Dies
    To Die is not Enough
    Die Another Die
    Casino Die
    Quantum of Die
    Diefall
    I genuinely can't think of one for Spectre
    No Time to Die

    Aaaaaaand relax.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    Dr. Die
    From Russia to Die
    Diefinger
    Dieball
    You Only Die Twice
    On Her Majesty's to Die List
    Diemonds Are Forever
    Die and Let Die
    The Man with the Golden Die
    The Spy Who Died
    Dieraker
    For Your Dies Only
    Diepussy
    A View to Die
    The Dying Daylights
    Licence to Die
    GoldenDie
    Die Never Dies
    To Die is not Enough
    Die Another Die
    Casino Die
    Quantum of Die
    Diefall
    I genuinely can't think of one for Spectre
    No Time to Die

    Aaaaaaand relax.

    This is gold =))
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 1,661
    The title is naff, unimaginative and generic.

    John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.

    Nobody Lives Forever
    Brokenclaw
    The Man From Barbarossa
    For Special Services

    Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;

    The Facts Of Death
    Never Dream Of Dying

    I agree with your entire post. No Time To Die actually feels like a piss-take title. It's almost as if Eon had looked at online posts about the production problems of Bond 25 and said "**** it, let's come up with the most generic 'die' title we can think of, just to annoy the haters!"

    I doubt they thought like that, they're not that superficial or mean-spirited(!) but the title does feel so generic, so cookie-cutter, so unimaginative you can come to a prejudiced opinion that Eon/MGM felt like saying "up yours!" to some of the fans. This does happen for real. Last Jedi director Rian Johnson insulted or bemoaned some of the fans after ep 8 came out, Paul Feig of Ghostbusters 2016 did the same. The director of the new Terminator film went online and had a go at some fans when they accused the film of being too #metoo in tone. I'm not saying NO TIME TO DIE is a deliberate "screw the fans!" decision but it's possible. It's so unimaginative that it beggars belief why Eon didn't go with something more unusual. Put it this way, if you come up with another 'die' title you're just asking for some fans to moan. It's a self-fulfilling scenario. You're asking fans to dislike the very thing you want them to like.

    If the title was something abstact, no-one would say "it's so generic, unoriginal!"
  • Posts: 3,275
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    The title is naff, unimaginative and generic.

    John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.

    Nobody Lives Forever
    Brokenclaw
    The Man From Barbarossa
    For Special Services

    Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;

    The Facts Of Death
    Never Dream Of Dying

    I agree with your entire post. No Time To Die actually feels like a piss-take title. It's almost as if Eon had looked at online posts about the production problems of Bond 25 and said "**** it, let's come up with the most generic 'die' title we can think of, just to annoy the haters!"

    I doubt they thought like that, they're not that superficial or mean-spirited(!) but the title does feel so generic, so cookie-cutter, so unimaginative you can come to a prejudiced opinion that Eon/MGM felt like saying "up yours!" to some of the fans. This does happen for real. Last Jedi director Rian Johnson insulted or bemoaned some of the fans after ep 8 came out, Paul Feig of Ghostbusters 2016 did the same. The director of the new Terminator film went online and had a go at some fans when they accused the film of being too #metoo in tone. I'm not saying NO TIME TO DIE is a deliberate "screw the fans!" decision but it's possible. It's so unimaginative that it beggars belief why Eon didn't go with something more unusual. Put it this way, if you come up with another 'die' title you're just asking for some fans to moan. It's a self-fulfilling scenario. You're asking fans to dislike the very thing you want them to like.

    If the title was something abstact, no-one would say "it's so generic, unoriginal!"

    Like I said earlier, Shatterhand would have been perfect. It sounds like early 60's Bond (Dr. No, Goldfinger, Thunderball).

    But instead we get the most generic of generic titles possible, that even the lamest Bond fan fic would be ashamed of.
  • Posts: 17,241
    I personally would have absolutely hated it if they went with Shatterhand.
  • Posts: 631
    It sounds very much like a Private Eye magazine joke Bond movie title, like You’ll Never Die Twice or Tomorrow Dies Forever or similar.

    It doesn’t matter in the slightest though, because we will go through this all over again for Bond 26 and 27 and 28. At some point they will 100% use Property of a Lady because they will have exhausted everything else and won’t be able to think of anything else.

    By 2060 they may even use Death to Spies for Bond 29 or Bond 30, and I hope they do, as it’s my favourite of the current suggestions.
  • Posts: 631
    It also occurs to me that the title is a hint that we might return to a more ‘old style’ Bond, in the sense of a mastermind with an evil plan to take over or destroy the planet, and there’s a huge battle at the end with private armies. Craig’s got into lots of small scale shoot-outs but nothing on the scale of the endings of YOLT or TSWLM, so they might be planning this for his very last film.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    The title is naff, unimaginative and generic.

    John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.

    Nobody Lives Forever
    Brokenclaw
    The Man From Barbarossa
    For Special Services

    Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;

    The Facts Of Death
    Never Dream Of Dying

    I agree with your entire post. No Time To Die actually feels like a piss-take title. It's almost as if Eon had looked at online posts about the production problems of Bond 25 and said "**** it, let's come up with the most generic 'die' title we can think of, just to annoy the haters!"

    I doubt they thought like that, they're not that superficial or mean-spirited(!) but the title does feel so generic, so cookie-cutter, so unimaginative you can come to a prejudiced opinion that Eon/MGM felt like saying "up yours!" to some of the fans. This does happen for real. Last Jedi director Rian Johnson insulted or bemoaned some of the fans after ep 8 came out, Paul Feig of Ghostbusters 2016 did the same. The director of the new Terminator film went online and had a go at some fans when they accused the film of being too #metoo in tone. I'm not saying NO TIME TO DIE is a deliberate "screw the fans!" decision but it's possible. It's so unimaginative that it beggars belief why Eon didn't go with something more unusual. Put it this way, if you come up with another 'die' title you're just asking for some fans to moan. It's a self-fulfilling scenario. You're asking fans to dislike the very thing you want them to like.

    If the title was something abstact, no-one would say "it's so generic, unoriginal!"

    Like I said earlier, Shatterhand would have been perfect. It sounds like early 60's Bond (Dr. No, Goldfinger, Thunderball).

    But instead we get the most generic of generic titles possible, that even the lamest Bond fan fic would be ashamed of.

    And you really think they’d follow through with ‘Shatterhand’ faithfully? What’s better, a potentially great film with a title you’re unimpressed with, or a title you love but that brings with it a promise they can’t and won’t deliver?
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 12,837
    RC7 wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    The title is naff, unimaginative and generic.

    John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.

    Nobody Lives Forever
    Brokenclaw
    The Man From Barbarossa
    For Special Services

    Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;

    The Facts Of Death
    Never Dream Of Dying

    I agree with your entire post. No Time To Die actually feels like a piss-take title. It's almost as if Eon had looked at online posts about the production problems of Bond 25 and said "**** it, let's come up with the most generic 'die' title we can think of, just to annoy the haters!"

    I doubt they thought like that, they're not that superficial or mean-spirited(!) but the title does feel so generic, so cookie-cutter, so unimaginative you can come to a prejudiced opinion that Eon/MGM felt like saying "up yours!" to some of the fans. This does happen for real. Last Jedi director Rian Johnson insulted or bemoaned some of the fans after ep 8 came out, Paul Feig of Ghostbusters 2016 did the same. The director of the new Terminator film went online and had a go at some fans when they accused the film of being too #metoo in tone. I'm not saying NO TIME TO DIE is a deliberate "screw the fans!" decision but it's possible. It's so unimaginative that it beggars belief why Eon didn't go with something more unusual. Put it this way, if you come up with another 'die' title you're just asking for some fans to moan. It's a self-fulfilling scenario. You're asking fans to dislike the very thing you want them to like.

    If the title was something abstact, no-one would say "it's so generic, unoriginal!"

    Like I said earlier, Shatterhand would have been perfect. It sounds like early 60's Bond (Dr. No, Goldfinger, Thunderball).

    But instead we get the most generic of generic titles possible, that even the lamest Bond fan fic would be ashamed of.

    And you really think they’d follow through with ‘Shatterhand’ faithfully? What’s better, a potentially great film with a title you’re unimpressed with, or a title you love but that brings with it a promise they can’t and won’t deliver?

    Obviously it's not the direction they're going in now, and so I wouldn't have wanted them to use that title, but I don't see why they "can't" have gone down the YOLT route if they wanted to. Obviously they'd have needed to add more action but all you really need to live up to the 'promise' of Shatterhand as a title is a broken/grieving Bond, an insane Blofeld and the garden of death finale imo. They 100% could have gone down that route as a sequel to SP. They haven't of course, but they easily could have done.
    It also occurs to me that the title is a hint that we might return to a more ‘old style’ Bond, in the sense of a mastermind with an evil plan to take over or destroy the planet, and there’s a huge battle at the end with private armies. Craig’s got into lots of small scale shoot-outs but nothing on the scale of the endings of YOLT or TSWLM, so they might be planning this for his very last film.

    There wasn't an army vs army finale but I think SP was their attempt at giving Craig a 'classic' Bond film. If anything I'd expect them to dial back those elements for this one and go a bit more subversive/different again. He said he was back to go out on a high and to me that implies he wants to go out with a film that gets as good a reaction as CR and SF, which were both quite experimental films in their own way. SP was more old school Bond and didn't get the same sort of reaction. So I can't see a big YOLT finale for this one, I'm expecting them to dial back on the gadgets and one liners and all that stuff too.

    I think No Time to Die will just refer to him coming out of retirement for one last battle. He's older but isn't dead yet, he has one more mission to carry out first. I think the reason they scrapped the similar (but infinitely better imo) A Reason to Die for this one is because he's going to die at the end and felt that that title would be too much of a giveaway.
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    24h passed by like thunder and...I love the title even more today.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Univex wrote: »
    24h passed by like thunder and...I love the title even more today.

    That's good!
  • Posts: 6,673
    matt_u wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    24h passed by like thunder and...I love the title even more today.

    That's good!

    It being a nod to the 58 film, and a subliminal message against Bond or the Bond films dying is perfection for me.
  • Univex wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    24h passed by like thunder and...I love the title even more today.

    That's good!

    It being a nod to the 58 film, and a subliminal message against Bond or the Bond films dying is perfection for me.

    I reckon we should set up an MI6 pool on whether he's going to die or not at the end. I genuinely can't see it ending any other way (well, maybe a hint he's alive at the end) but I seem to be in the minority. Most fans don't seem to want to consider the possibility and that to me seems like a nice little moneymaking opportunity ;)

    Having said that I was also fairly certain for a while that SP would be the last Craig movie so maybe that isn't such a clever idea, I've been wrong before.
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 6,673
    Univex wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    24h passed by like thunder and...I love the title even more today.

    That's good!

    It being a nod to the 58 film, and a subliminal message against Bond or the Bond films dying is perfection for me.

    I reckon we should set up an MI6 pool on whether he's going to die or not at the end. I genuinely can't see it ending any other way (well, maybe a hint he's alive at the end) but I seem to be in the minority. Most fans don't seem to want to consider the possibility and that to me seems like a nice little moneymaking opportunity ;)

    Having said that I was also fairly certain for a while that SP would be the last Craig movie so maybe that isn't such a clever idea, I've been wrong before.

    An ambiguous ending would be a better way to do it. And I'd be fine with that, as it is the ending of YOLT, sort of. Let's see ;)
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 1,661
    Total guess but I'm assuming NO TIME TO DIE was inspired by a line of plot dialogue.

    Bond villain Sigmund Shatterhand (actually the son of Blofeld in disguise!) threatens Bond with a gun or death ray or badly made ham sandwich, and says

    "You cannot stop me, Mr Bond. The missiles are launched. The countdown has begun to the end of the human race. Look at the clock. It is the time of death!"

    "You forget one thing, Shatterhand.... there's no time to die."

    "Why do you mention that?"

    "Well... it's the name of the film so I thought I should mention it."


    ;))
  • Posts: 6,673
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Total guess but I'm assuming NO TIME TO DIE was inspired by a line of plot dialogue.

    Bond villain Sigmund Shatterhand (actually the son of Blofeld in disguise!) threatens Bond with a gun or death ray or badly made ham sandwich, and says

    "You cannot stop me, Mr Bond. The missiles are launched. The countdown has begun to the end of the human race. Look at the clock. It is the time of death!"

    "You forget one thing, Shatterhand.... there's no time to die."

    "Why do you mention that?"

    "Well... it's the name of the film so I thought I should mention it. "


    ;))

    Sigmund Shatterhand? lol Analyse this!
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