EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    GE is pretty well balanced when it comes to juggling the different tones throughout the film, far more successfully than the John Glen films which look like a total mess in comparison.

    I agree with you on this, but that doesn't make it a "more serious movie".

    Where did I call it a “more serious movie”? Are you confusing me with someone else who said that?
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    GE is pretty well balanced when it comes to juggling the different tones throughout the film, far more successfully than the John Glen films which look like a total mess in comparison.

    I agree with you on this, but that doesn't make it a "more serious movie".

    Where did I call it a “more serious movie”? Are you confusing me with someone else who said that?

    It's just an opinion!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I think Bond 26 is most likely to be like a GE, which is perhaps the most "greatest hits" of all Bonds.
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    I do think GE’s much more than a greatest hits Bond film, but a big part of it is the fact that it puts a new spin on some of those big Bond movie tropes, yes. If Amazon can give us a fresh take on Bond in a similar way (with a little bit of reverence to the previous era in a similar way GE does with LTK) then I’d be interested.
  • edited 2:28pm Posts: 2,526
    I don’t understand using “greatest hits” to describe GE. As far as I can recall no other Bond film had a henchwoman whose gimmick was that she f_cked people to death. No other Bond film had a rogue 00-Agent revealed to be the main villain. No other Bond film had its main female lead be so intertwined in its plot the way Natalya has. No other Bond film featured a scene where his boss rips into him for being a “sexist/misogynistic dinosaur.”

    There’s nothing “Greatest Hits” about GE, at least not when compared to DAD, and to a lesser extent Craig’s final two films.
  • edited 2:37pm Posts: 5,198
    I mean, very generally Onatop’s a spin on the classic Bond henchman archetype - they have a gimmick which they use to kill people, and they die in an ironic way. But for sure it’s a unique take on that. Same for Travelyan ultimately becoming a supervillain with a scarred face and big lair. Again, very original spin using that broad but familiar idea. All Bond movies borrow from themselves to some extent, but GE uses many of the more classic, quintessential ones (we even get Travelyan putting Bond in elaborate traps like tying him up in the helicopter as opposed to just killing him, to evoke the old Austin Powers joke!)

    Agreed, it’s much more than just a greatest hits Bond film. In many ways it’s a ‘reinvention’ Bond film as EON would say, at least in the sense it’s consciously bringing Bond into the post Cold War era.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, very generally Onatop’s a spin on the classic Bond henchman archetype - they have a gimmick which they use to kill people, and they die in an ironic way. But for sure it’s a unique take on that. Same for Travelyan ultimately becoming a supervillain with a scarred face and big lair. Again, very original spin using that broad but familiar idea. All Bond movies borrow from themselves to some extent, but GE uses many of the more classic, quintessential ones (we even get Travelyan putting Bond in elaborate traps like tying him up in the helicopter as opposed to just killing him, to evoke the old Austin Powers joke!)

    Agreed, it’s much more than just a greatest hits Bond film. In many ways it’s a ‘reinvention’ Bond film as EON would say.

    Yeah Onatopp and Trevelyan both play into specific archetypes that the series set up previously but that’s the case for most Bond villains and henchmen haha - not that I disagree with you though.

    Heck I’d say TSWLM is more “Greatest Hits” than GE was but even then the film has enough unique elements to where it doesn’t feel derivative of what came before.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    We're really lucky GoldenEye was made. If not, we won't be discussing future Bond films today. Martin Campbell is a brave director, to go ahead with his vision for the film...when people were expecting it to fail ignominiously. I even read that Ace Of Base withdrew their track "The Juvenile" from the film, because they thought the film would fail.
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    If I had to use the term “greatest hits” for any Bond film, it would be TSWLM, DAD or Spectre, not GoldenEye IMO.
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    GE was TB meets DAF with a good overdose of 90s.

    It's not a greatest hits like The Spy Who Loved Me but it's more generic than, I don't know... TMWTGG.

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    I mean, past a certain point every Bond movie uses story ideas from itself, and is something of a ‘greatest hit’ experience. It’s quite a formulaic movie franchise with very recognisable tropes, beats, and story ideas. It’s generally a case of ‘same but different’.

    GE’s a pretty unique Bond film regardless.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, very generally Onatop’s a spin on the classic Bond henchman archetype - they have a gimmick which they use to kill people, and they die in an ironic way. But for sure it’s a unique take on that.

    And she's not exactly a million miles off Fatima Blush either.
    GE is very much 'give 'em what they expect from a Bond' but in a shiny new box. In the opening PTS he's doing a skydiving stunt, there's a big song sung by a well-established diva type with lots of naked ladies dancing about, then he's in Monaco driving that nice car that Sean used to drive, then he's in a dinner jacket in the casino where he plays sexy cards and orders a martini, then he flirts with Moneypenny a bit, he has a funny scene in Q's lab with all the gags in the background, then he meets his CIA contact in another country, he meets the amusingly colourful local ally character, he has a tangle with the femme fatale, he gets trapped in a deadly trap but escapes in an ingenious way, he has a big chase through a busy city, the baddie has a big base in a remote location and has an evil space laser and he dies falling off a very tall thing etc. etc. There's new stuff in there too, but it's all scattered around stuff you very much expect a Bond film to do.
    It's kind of like, at that point if you asked someone to remember what a Bond film is like, they'd remember GE. He'd not even been to the casino at Monte Carlo before (aside from it being a video arcade in NSNA!) but I bet most people would think he'd been there every other movie if you asked them. It's a Bond archetype.

    I came out of the cinema feeling ever so slightly underwhelmed in a way: it felt just like a Bond film, a sort of update of a Roger 80s one. I mean, I loved it and went to see it another four times, and yet it was very much 'Another Bond Film'. There weren't many surprises. And even Pierce himself has said he pitched his performance somewhere between Sean and Roger: he's a 'greatest hits Bond' himself. But GE is directed extremely assuredly and felt like 'an old Bond, but made today'.

    I don't actually expect B26 to revisit all of the archetypes in quite that way, I think, 30 years on, folks maybe do expect a little bit more freshness, but I reckon it may well look to be a bit more of a typical Bond than perhaps a QoS or something like that.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Let's send these GoldenEye praises to Brosnan's email. It would make his day :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Well hey: I'm not knocking it; it was great, people loved it -I loved it- and it more than did the job :)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 3:42pm Posts: 2,555
    mtm wrote: »
    Well hey: I'm not knocking it; it was great, people loved it -I loved it- and it more than did the job :)

    Ditto :)
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Is there any appetite for the Spang Gang in the movies now that Spectre and Blofeld has been worked over recently?
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    I personally think Goldeneye remains the best of the Barbara Broccoli/Michael Wilson years - edging out Casino Royale slightly due to its unique tone that hasn’t really been replicated since. Plus it has one of the best set of villains to ever appear in a Bond film and one of the series most engaging female leads - and at the forefront is Brosnan giving far and away my personal favorite take on the character in film. Beyond the other Bond films, and beyond the video game - it’s just a great film.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I personally think Goldeneye remains the best of the Barbara Broccoli/Michael Wilson years - edging out Casino Royale slightly due to its unique tone that hasn’t really been replicated since. Plus it has one of the best set of villains to ever appear in a Bond film and one of the series most engaging female leads - and at the forefront is Brosnan giving far and away my personal favorite take on the character in film. Beyond the other Bond films, and beyond the video game - it’s just a great film.

    I'd agree with that. GE also feels like it could still belong to the same 'universe' as the films that came before it. The rest have another feel to it, polished differently maybe, another coating as it were. Not saying this to take down TND-NTTD, it's just what I personally experience with it.
  • edited 4:33pm Posts: 1,947
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I personally think Goldeneye remains the best of the Barbara Broccoli/Michael Wilson years - edging out Casino Royale slightly due to its unique tone that hasn’t really been replicated since. Plus it has one of the best set of villains to ever appear in a Bond film and one of the series most engaging female leads - and at the forefront is Brosnan giving far and away my personal favorite take on the character in film. Beyond the other Bond films, and beyond the video game - it’s just a great film.

    I'd agree with that. GE also feels like it could still belong to the same 'universe' as the films that came before it. The rest have another feel to it, polished differently maybe, another coating as it were. Not saying this to take down TND-NTTD, it's just what I personally experience with it.

    It's funny because I think TND is the natural successor to the Dalton era.

    I think GE is more of an island.
  • edited 4:36pm Posts: 5,198
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, very generally Onatop’s a spin on the classic Bond henchman archetype - they have a gimmick which they use to kill people, and they die in an ironic way. But for sure it’s a unique take on that.

    And she's not exactly a million miles off Fatima Blush either.
    GE is very much 'give 'em what they expect from a Bond' but in a shiny new box. In the opening PTS he's doing a skydiving stunt, there's a big song sung by a well-established diva type with lots of naked ladies dancing about, then he's in Monaco driving that nice car that Sean used to drive, then he's in a dinner jacket in the casino where he plays sexy cards and orders a martini, then he flirts with Moneypenny a bit, he has a funny scene in Q's lab with all the gags in the background, then he meets his CIA contact in another country, he meets the amusingly colourful local ally character, he has a tangle with the femme fatale, he gets trapped in a deadly trap but escapes in an ingenious way, he has a big chase through a busy city, the baddie has a big base in a remote location and has an evil space laser and he dies falling off a very tall thing etc. etc. There's new stuff in there too, but it's all scattered around stuff you very much expect a Bond film to do.
    It's kind of like, at that point if you asked someone to remember what a Bond film is like, they'd remember GE. He'd not even been to the casino at Monte Carlo before (aside from it being a video arcade in NSNA!) but I bet most people would think he'd been there every other movie if you asked them. It's a Bond archetype.

    I came out of the cinema feeling ever so slightly underwhelmed in a way: it felt just like a Bond film, a sort of update of a Roger 80s one. I mean, I loved it and went to see it another four times, and yet it was very much 'Another Bond Film'. There weren't many surprises. And even Pierce himself has said he pitched his performance somewhere between Sean and Roger: he's a 'greatest hits Bond' himself. But GE is directed extremely assuredly and felt like 'an old Bond, but made today'.

    I don't actually expect B26 to revisit all of the archetypes in quite that way, I think, 30 years on, folks maybe do expect a little bit more freshness, but I reckon it may well look to be a bit more of a typical Bond than perhaps a QoS or something like that.

    I vaguely remember first watching it and was actually quite surprised at how different I found it compared to other Bond movies I'd seen (at this point I'd seen the Connery and Moore films). It definitely readapts many of those old Bond tropes - although again I'd argue in a very fresh and unique way - but there was much about it that felt different just on a tonal level (again, it might be stuff like the violence/harder edge at times, the darker cinematography, and probably even things unique to the film - the tank chase, Travelyan's backstory, even the score as much as I'm not a big fan of it). I must admit it wasn't even one of my favourites until I revisited it a few years ago.
    I personally think Goldeneye remains the best of the Barbara Broccoli/Michael Wilson years - edging out Casino Royale slightly due to its unique tone that hasn’t really been replicated since. Plus it has one of the best set of villains to ever appear in a Bond film and one of the series most engaging female leads - and at the forefront is Brosnan giving far and away my personal favorite take on the character in film. Beyond the other Bond films, and beyond the video game - it’s just a great film.

    It's one that's grown on me a lot, and I'd actually put it above CR too (although that's just personal opinion). It's very much like TSWLM for me - another one I wasn't actually as big a fan of in the past. I'd say it's one of the highlights of EON's Bond run, and certainly of the modern Bond films as well.
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    mtm wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    Cinefex magazine called them out for digitally altered behind the scenes stills and faked still composites.

    Oh really? Do you have more info on that?

    https://www.marginallycompelling.com/p/cinefex-in-memoriam
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Is there any appetite for the Spang Gang in the movies now that Spectre and Blofeld has been worked over recently?

    They have a silly name, which I think is a problem.
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    Cinefex magazine called them out for digitally altered behind the scenes stills and faked still composites.

    Oh really? Do you have more info on that?

    https://www.marginallycompelling.com/p/cinefex-in-memoriam

    Interesting, thanks. I'd be curious to know what they meant, shame.
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