How much Literary Fleming was each Actor truly allotted?

BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
edited October 4 in Literary 007 Posts: 30,996
It is often the subject of discussion among fans. Brosnan never worked from Fleming, but when you actually begin to parse the films of each actor you realize that several of them had surprisingly (to me) relatively little actual Fleming dialogue or situations to work with. By the time they got the script it had been mostly gutted and glitzed for the Big Screen.

I guess this is a companion piece to my old Unused Fleming thread https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/9272/unfinished-fleming-bond-stories/p1 .

Feel free to make suggestions, point out errors and/or add examples. I think it is obvious that for those first Four Films (along with OHMSS) there are so many little bits and big bits that show up, I am not going to be as specific with them.


Sean Connery

DOCTOR NO
- Maybe more than is even worth mentioning with this one. Like several of the entries from the '60s, there are large sections of the film that adhere closely to Fleming's novel, but here are some highlights that directly involve Connery's Bond:
-Bond's briefing with M, including Boothroyd and the introduction of the PPK, the reference to the cliffhanger at the close of the FRWL novel
-Bond checks his room for intrusion, orders breakfast
-Bond v Tarantula (rather than centipede)
-Bond and Quarrel interactions, also Quarrel's death
-Bond's dialogue and interactions with Honey
-Bond and Dr. No's dinner conversation
-Bond running Dr. No's gauntlet

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE - Similar to DN, almost too much to mention. Some highlights:
-This is the only EON entry where Bond is seen with his Bentley, his primary vehicle in the earlier novels (he is shown driving it in both non-EON cinematic releases)
-Bond's briefing with M, the briefcase
-Bond and almost all interactions with Kerim Bey, including much dialogue
-Bond and almost all interactions withTatiana, including much dialogue, particularly the scene where they first meet on Bond's hotel room
-the Gypsy camp
-Most of the scenes on the train involving Grant, including much of the dialogue
-Bond v Grant
-Klebb's shoe

GOLDFINGER - Again, though not quite so much as it's predecessors, much is taken from Fleming's original. Some highlights:
-Bond, M, Smithers scene
-Bond destroys Goldfinger's card cheat operation, beds Jill
-Golf Match
-Bond and Tilly
-Bond on the Laser Table (replacing a Buzz Saw)

THUNDERBALL - Another close adaptation, though whole characters are added:
-Shrublands with Pat and Lippe, including much dialogue and exact scenarios
-Bond plays cards with Largo, mentions SPECTRE twice
-Bond seduces Domino, tells her of her brother’s death and of Largo’s scheme
-Bond and Felix, several bits of dialogue, some situations
-The Underwater Battle

YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - This is where the pickings begin to become scarce:
-Bond's Obituary Notice fill sin personal information taken form the novel
-Bond is shown in his Commander's Uniform and his naval back ground is on display
-Bond trains with Ninjas, some of the surrounding dialogue with Tiger
-Bond disguises himself as a Japanese fisherman, then lives with Kissy on Amah Island

DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER - There are some characters with similar names form the novel, but their personalities, fates and interactions with Bond are vastly different, for the most part. Here's what's left:
-Bond meets Tiffany, some dialogue, "Peter Franks"
-Bond learns a bit of the Diamond Trade with M


George Lazenby

ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
- Back again and for the last time, we get a novel that follows the novel so closely that I will not be comprehensive here. Highlights:
-Bond rescues Tracy at the Beach
-Bond rescues Tracy at the casino and takes his reward, a decent amount of dialogue
-Bond is captured escapes and meets Draco, including the knife throw, much of the dialogue
-Bond and M argue
-Bond as Hilary Bray, the visit to the College of Arms, much of teh details and dialogue
-Bond/Bunt dialogue
-Bond meets the Angels of Death
-Bond, Ruby, hypnotism, much of the dialogue
-Bond/Blofeld conversation
-Bond Escapes on skis
-Tracy finds Bond at the skating rink, save shim
-Bond proposes
-Raid on Piz Gloria
-Bond v Blofeld on luge
-The Death of Tracy


Roger Moore

LIVE AND LET DIE
- Surprisingly little specifics are actually lifted from the original novel, though we know some much of the book shows up in later films:
-Bond is taken out to be killed by Mr. Big's Goons in Harlem, Bond escapes Killing one (in the novel it's Tee Hee, who Bond dispatches much later in the film)
-Bond in the booth at the Filet of Soul
-Bond seduces Solitaire
-Mr. Big almost has Bond's finger snipped off (as opposed to having it actually broken in the novel)

THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN - Far less here:
-Scaramanga's Origin is recounted in two parts; Bond to M, Scaramanga to Bond, very similar to the origin given in Fleming's novel
-Bond and Goodnight's Dinner conversation

THE SPY WHO LOVED ME - Slim:
-Bond is shown in his Naval Uniform, and his rank and military experience is clearly on display and is essential too the story
-Anya teases Bond about Tracy's Death, he doesn't like it

MOONRAKER - Here either. Bond's escape from the rocket exhaust was hardly even close to being recognizable as the parallel escape coming from the book.

FOR YOUR EYES ONLY - Here we get material from two Fleming short stories and remnants from the LALD novel, and a little bit more:
-Bond uses the Identigraph, from the novel GF (where it is called the Identicast)
-Bond lectures Melina Havelock (in the short story, FYEO, Judy Havelock) on vengeance and killing
-Bond and Melanie bound and pulled over corral to be picked apart by Sharks, from the LALD novel (where Bond was bound to Solitaire in such a fashion)
From the Short Story RISICO:
-Bond/Kristatos/Columbo/Lisl at the restaurant, much of the shenanigans and dialogue
-Bond is captured by Columbo, much dialogue
-The Raid on Kristatos's warehouse
-Bond shoots Locque through a car windshield ( in the Short Story it was Kristatos that he killed in this manor)

OCTOPUSSY - A little bit:
-The Story of Major Dexter Smythe, though it is simplified significantly, form the Short Story OP
From the Short Story PROPERTY OF A LADY:
-Bond meets with M and Fanning (Fanshawe in the story) to discuss Faberge' Eggs and the Sotheby's Auction
-Bond at the Auction, some of the events and dialogue are similar

A VIEW TO A KILL - Nothing.


Timothy Dalton

THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
- The relevant pieces are rather self-contained:
-The Sniper section, immediately following the Title sequence, is an abbreviated and somewhat altered version of the short story of the same name (all of that bit with the escape route and the “pig” was added to the film, also, the story takes place in Berlin, at the Wall, the film in Czechoslovakia), much of the dialogue is intact. The film replaces Sender with Saunders, but they are the exact same person

LICENCE TO KILL - Here EON took the piecemeal approach:
-Tracy's Death is mentioned, it still effects Bond
From the novel LALD:
-Bond finds Felix semi-eaten but alive with a note reading “He disagreed with something that ate Him”
-Bond infiltrates the Fishing Hatchery, has a shootout with a couple of guards, killing them. The battle is similar, but far less detailed and involved than in the novel


Pierce Brosnan

GOLDENEYE
- Nothing specific.
-Bond begins to demonstrate a relationship with Bill Tanner that is closer to that of the novels

TOMORROW NEVER DIES - Neither in this one, almost:
-Paris mentions that Bond sleeps with a loaded gun under his pillow, a practice mentioned in at least one Bond novel
-Bond is shown in full Naval dress
-Parts of the Obituary Carver writes for And is taken form the novel YOLT

THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - Just a few tidbits in the dialogue:
-Bond tells Elektra that his parents were killed in a climbing accident. This was first mentioned in the novel YOLT, and is also addressed in the Short Story OP
-Bond mentions his family motto, it is both the film’s title and a call back to the novel/film OHMSS, where Bond learned of its existence and a little about his family tree

DIE ANOTHER DAY: It has been pointed out to me that many of the scenes and plot points of DAD were reminiscent of the novel MR, but it’s too tenuous a connection, and Pierce doesn’t get any dialogue straight from Fleming:
-This time we actually see that Bond sleeps with a loaded gun under his pillow, as stated above in the TND items, a practice mentioned in at least one Bond novel


Daniel Craig

CASINO ROYALE
- Much of the bigger themes appeared, but not so many specifics. Many scenes in the novel were represented by much larger action piecese both narratively and emotionally in the film. More concrete examples:
-Snatches of dialogue between Bond and M, "blunt instrument"
-Bond recounting his Two Kills necessary to becoming a 00, though with different scenarios here than in the text
-Mathis' mentoring of Bond
-Much of the card game, though Texas Hold 'Em is substituted for Baccarat in the film
-Bond's interactions and some of his dialogue with Felix is intact, much of his Felix conversations are instead with Mathis and Vesper
-The entire kidnapping of Vesper
-The Torture Scene, though in the novel a carpet beater is used (as well as in CR'67!), in the EON film it is a knotted rope
-Bond uses his Rolex Oyster Watch as a Knuckleduster in the climactic fight, form the novel
-His cold response to Vesper's death and betrayal, "The job is done, the Bitch is dead" line
-We don't hear the "...hand that holds the whip.." vow, but we see it in the denouement

QUANTUM OF SOLACE - No much here. Originally, Mathis was going to recount the short story (I'm assuming an abbreviated version) on their plane trip to South America. I don't know if it was filmed. I would have loved to see it.
-Bond uses the Universal Exports cover
-Bond finds Strawberry Fields corpse covered in oil, which is an obvious GF reference, but more so from the earlier film, so I don't even know if it's worth mentioning

SKYFALL -
-M's Obituary for Bond contains segments and information form the novel YOLT
-The names of Bond's Parents are shown, taken from Fleming's YOLT

SPECTRE -
-Bond's connection to Hannes Oberhauser is from the Short Story OP, but in the Fleming original it is Major Dexter Smythe who commits the murder
-It says on a certificate that he is examining in his apartment that Bond's Aunt Charolette is named his custodian when his parents died, that was mentioned din the novels
-An added note: Much of the dialogue from the scene where Blofeld was torturing Bond is lifted directly from Kingsley Amis' 1969 James Bond novel COLONEL SUN (where The Colonel is doing the torturing), it is acknowledged in the closing credits

NO TIME TO DIE -

Comments

  • Posts: 2,331
    Looking forward to your review from the Dalton era. TLD obviously has the entire short story fairly accurately adapted, but LTK is where it gets interesting for me. In this film we get unused scenes from LALD, characters from the Hildebrand Rarity, and also fairly big suggestions of TMWTGG throughout the second half of the movie, thinly disguised but to me fairly evident.
  • Posts: 2,331
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Timothy Dalton

    THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    - The relevant pieces are rather self-contained:
    -The Sniper section, immediately following the Title sequence, is an abbreviated and somewhat altered version of the short story of the same name (all of that bit with the escape route and the “pig” was added to the film, also, the story takes place in Berlin, at the Wall, the film in Czechoslovakia)

    LICENCE TO KILL - Here EON took the piecemeal approach:
    From the novel LALD:
    -Bond finds Felix semi-eaten but alive with a note reading “He disagreed with something that ate Him”
    -Bond infiltrates the Fishing Hatchery, has a shootout with a couple of guards, killing them. The battle is similar, but far less detailed and involved than in the novel

    Pierce Brosnan

    GOLDENEYE
    - Nothing specific.
    TOMORROW NEVER DIES - Neither in this one.
    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - Just a few tidbits in the dialogue:
    -Bond tells Elektra that his parents were killed in a climbing accident. This was first mentioned in the novel YOLT, and is also addressed in the Short Story OP
    -Bond mentions his family motto, it is both the film’s title as a call back to the novel/film OHMSS, where Bond learned of its existence and a little about his family tree

    DIE ANOTHER DAY: It has been pointed out to me that many of the scenes and plot points of DAD were reminiscent of the novel MR, but it’s too tenuous a connection, and Pierce doesn’t get any dialogue straight from Fleming:
    -Bond sleeps with a loaded gun under his pillow

    I think you're missing the essence of TMWTGG in LTK (Sanchez even shares the same initials, which proves it was intentional.)

    The Brosnan era was abysmal, accurately highlighted here.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited September 30 Posts: 30,996
    Im looking for specifics in this particular thread, either dialogue or specific actions. That connection, like MR/DAD doesn’t fit. But thanks for responding. I was getting bummed out that I put all this time into this, and nobody was saying anything about it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 8,352
    I think I’d disagree that the MR connection to DAD is tenuous: it’s a decent chunk of the plot. Even Bond going to a London club called Blades to beat the villain is fairly specific.
    Likewise AVTAK has a heavy basis in GF, and I’d agree with jetset that LTK has a lot of TMWTGG in it, plus the lightest dash of Hildebrand Rarity.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited September 30 Posts: 30,996
    Thank you, but those things are either more conceptual, or more like a name check (as in The Hildebrand safe house in SP). THE HILDEBRAND RARITY connections are definitely there with LTK (the name Milton Krest, WaveKrest, the Corrector), but they don’t actually involve Dalton’s Bond in any way that corresponds with the short story. And that is what I’m looking for, where the actor got to play out a piece of Fleming, not where Fleming shows up in the films, which is what you guys seem to be talking about. I pretty much covered that in this earlier thread https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/8785/which-film-adaptations-are-the-most-faithful-to-the-fleming-novel-or-short-story#latest
    , or at least attempted to. Most of your suggestions would fit there.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 30,996
    @Dragonpol , what do you think?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 30 Posts: 8,352
    That's fair enough, I guess it's just hard to draw a line. I wouldn't necessarily say that stuff like Brosnan namechecking the family motto is really him getting to play out a piece of Fleming from the page moreso than Dalton meeting Milton Krest then, or Sanchez using a stingray tail as a way to punish his woman, but I guess it's pretty subjective.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited September 30 Posts: 3,764
    Tomorrow Never Dies: The scene where Stamper shoot people from stealth boat and on this way Carver (Germany) try to great a war between England and China. Originaly it was between France and Germans too fool Germans. Idea comes from Ian Fleming (England). I credit this before, because name of operation i sugest as Bond movie title: Operation Ruthless. (With possible extented option: Operation Ruthless - Save or Souls). Other element was used in OHMSS, Fleming let M known by letter that he fired him self, but M not accepted it.

    Twine: Judi Dench M have connection with a family. Because of Bernard Lee death M was not in FYEO. In novel FYEO M have connection with Havelocks (See Inside For Your Eyes Only).

    QOS: Deprest Bond. In Everthing or Nothing it be confirmd Kevin McClory told truth all those years, Fleming take credit for Thunderball novel whyle 2 other people work on it too. Fleming died from his second heart atack (Bond get heart atack Casino Royale movie) because he smoked to much. But it turn out that smoked so much because he was in a depression. I read that Fleming mabey whant to let Bond die in TMWTGG, his 12th and final novel. For a whyle raised quistion wil Bond producers let movie Bond die in Bond 25 in 2018 or 2019 by second heart atack after 56 years (1962 - 2019 is stil 56 years if there let him before his 57 birthday), Fleming died at age of 56. No Time To Die is possible a reference to that. Daniel Craig Bond is 3 or 4 Dimensional chacter.

    FYEO: Scene with Bond and Melina under water is taken from Live and Let Die novel (See inside For Your Eyes Only)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    How about in GF - when Bond hangs up the phone after talking to Felix, he turns to Jill and we see a comma of hair has fallen over his right eyebrow.
  • Posts: 2,331
    QBranch wrote: »
    How about in GF - when Bond hangs up the phone after talking to Felix, he turns to Jill and we see a comma of hair has fallen over his right eyebrow.

    And I think he is wearing a pair of sea island cotton boxer shorts in this scene too. Definitely Fleming.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 30,996
    QBranch wrote: »
    How about in GF - when Bond hangs up the phone after talking to Felix, he turns to Jill and we see a comma of hair has fallen over his right eyebrow.

    With those first few, I didn't get into specifics to that degree, because so much was lifted from the novels.
  • Posts: 580
    Birdleson wrote: »

    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - This is where the pickings begin to become scarce:
    -Bond trains with Ninjas, some of the surrounding dialogue with Tiger
    -Bond disguises himself as a Japanese fisherman, then lives with Kissy on Amah Island

    YOLT seems to include Fleming’s Moonraker as well? - I mean, the rocket-in-an-underground-launch-facility idea is taken straight from Fleming’s novel. The film YOLT strikes me as being based on the You Only Live Twice novel for its first half and then switches to being based on Moonraker for its second half.

    There’s no direct quotes from Moonraker though (AFAIK) so it might not meet your stringent criteria.
  • Posts: 580
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I was getting bummed out that I put all this time into this, and nobody was saying anything about it.

    That might be because you’ve chosen to post this on the same day that the first 007 film in six years opens in cinemas :))
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited September 30 Posts: 30,996
    Thanks @IGotABrudder , but again, I'm looking for nearly direct dialogue, or specific (and immediate, no larger themes or plot elements) scenarios involving Bond.
  • Hopefully NTTD will have a couple things to add as well. Going by the trailer there might be at least one potentially cool thing.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 30,996
    I've already heard that there's a great one, one I'd thoughtI'd near see. I'm bummed that I found out beforehand.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited October 3 Posts: 30,996
    The opening post has been updated through SPECTRE. I will add the details to NTTD later this week, with a Spoiler tag.
  • Wow, I didn’t know that Spectre used material from one of the continuation novels, that’s pretty cool. I guess that opens the door for using a lot more literary material even if it’s not Fleming.
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