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  • Posts: 5,981
    Thrasos wrote: »
    Thanks for being willing to do the work, GoldenGun. Just checking out some of the soundtracks, and one thing I find is the progression by David Arnold from DAD to the next film CR, the soundtracks are like night and day. The DAD soundtrack to me sounds scattered and bombastic in areas, whereas the relative simplicity and subject matter of the CR storyline seemed to have inspired Arnold to much greater heights and focus. And the difference in the title theme songs, which are played upon in the soundtracks, probably play some role in this too.

    I found CR's approach a bit too stripped down personally. There are lovely themes, for sure, like "I'm the Money," "Dinner Jackets," "Vesper," "City of Lovers," and "Death of Vesper" and rousing ones like "Blunt Instrument" and "The Name's Bond...James Bond," but the rest of the action and suspense cues, which make up the greater portion of the score, are Arnold's least involving work for Bond in my opinion. He really took his sound for the Craig era up a significant notch with QoS.

    So as a whole, I actually find more to enjoy in DAD's score than CR's. A couple of tracks get a bit too experimental with the techno at times, but there are wonderfully lush cues ("Jinx Jordan," "Going Down Together"), bombastic fanfares ("On the Beach," "Welcome to Cuba," "Bond to Iceland"), cool beats ("Kiss of Life," "Wheelchair Access"), engaging suspense cues ("Some Kind of Hero," "Ice Spy," "It Belongs to His Boss/Double Agent"), riveting action tracks ("Jinx, James, and Genes," "Whiteout"), and marvelous themes woven throughout.

    I surprised myself when I discovered that CR was my least favorite of Arnold's Bond scores given how terrific a select few of the tracks are, but there it is. I think this ranking will be particularly interesting because fans hold such diverse opinions of the series' scores.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Do we also include the title song or only the rest of the score?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>

    I agree.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>

    It would also make more sense. Some films have quite the disparity in quality between title song and score. Not all, but some. I wouldn't even know where to begin with ranking the films in some cases if song and score were combined.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>

    It would also make more sense. Some films have quite the disparity in quality between title song and score. Not all, but some. I wouldn't even know where to begin with ranking the films in some cases if song and score were combined.

    Spot on, that's a great reason to keep them separate (plus, even more games for us to enjoy in the future if we do).
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>

    I agree - that being said, the integration of the title song is an important aspect of each score for me so that will likely factor in, still.
  • edited June 15 Posts: 5,981
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>

    I agree - that being said, the integration of the title song is an important aspect of each score for me so that will likely factor in, still.

    With certain films, the theme heard in the title song is also used throughout the score (Goldfinger's popping up in "Alpine Drive," A View to a Kill's in "Bond Meets Stacey," Skyfall's in "Komodo Dragon"), but then you're rating how the theme is used in the score orchestrally as opposed to its use in the title song.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I leave everything up to @GoldenGun, but wouldn't it be more fun to keep both separated? :>

    I agree - that being said, the integration of the title song is an important aspect of each score for me so that will likely factor in, still.

    With certain films, the theme heard in the title song is also used throughout the score (Goldfinger's popping up in "Alpine Drive," A View to a Kill's in "Bond Meets Stacey," Skyfall's in "Komodo Dragon"), but then you're rating how the theme is used in the score orchestrally as opposed to its use in the title song.

    Yes, that's correct.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e il momento che verrà
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    Sure thing, folks. Let's just rate the scores and the songs separately. So only film scores for now :)
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    I might sit this one out as I don't know the scores that well; the music isn't something I tend to notice much in films. But I'll be watching with interest!
  • MonsieurMerciMonsieurMerci France
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    Working on it, this one needs some re-listenings. Especially for the Arnold era
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e il momento che verrà
    edited June 16 Posts: 5,593
    Please do consider how the music is used in the film though, since some albums, like TSWLM or LTK, are not really representative of the film's score.

    Basically, does the film score contribute to your enjoyment of the film? Do you think the composer managed to bring a certain atmosphere to the overall experience? All that kind of stuff :)
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Please do consider how the music is used in the film though, since some albums, like TSWLM or LTK, are not really representative of the film's score.

    Basically, does the film score contribute to your enjoyment of the film? Do you think the composer managed to bring a certain atmosphere to the overall experience? All that kind of stuff :)

    Not only do the albums sometimes misrepresent their films, I think some scores may not be the most interesting listening outside the film, but are fantastic in their context. Thunderball is basically a perfectly scored film, but I almost never put the soundtrack on.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    I might sit this one out as I don't know the scores that well; the music isn't something I tend to notice much in films. But I'll be watching with interest!

    I leaning in this direction as well. Even though I own most of the more recent scores on CD, I rarely listen to them, Generally, most of the pre GE scores work for me - at-least in part. I can put them on while I'm working and mentally picture the related movie scenes.
  • edited June 16 Posts: 5,981
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Please do consider how the music is used in the film though, since some albums, like TSWLM or LTK, are not really representative of the film's score.

    Basically, does the film score contribute to your enjoyment of the film? Do you think the composer managed to bring a certain atmosphere to the overall experience? All that kind of stuff :)

    Not only do the albums sometimes misrepresent their films, I think some scores may not be the most interesting listening outside the film, but are fantastic in their context. Thunderball is basically a perfectly scored film, but I almost never put the soundtrack on.

    Good points both. The album for The Spy Who Loved Me was for some reason a complete re-recording (with a couple tracks that don't even appear in the film), and Licence to Kill's score-and-song release reworked tracks from different parts of the film into suites (which Barry frequently did as well, though Barry's track titles often made this more obvious). Also, some albums, like the original albums for Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day, left off about half the film's music and greatly underrepresented the score as a whole.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Sorry for just catching up, but I take it we're doing film scores (not including title songs) next? I want to make sure I have enough time to brush up and get a proper list going.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    I've submitted mine. Quite different than my film rankings. I'm pretty much a fan of my Top 21 Bond Scores ( and that includes one non-EON picture), those last five, though, actually irritate me. To varying degrees.
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    I quite enjoy all of my top 21 as well. There are certainly tracks from my bottom 5 I enjoy as well, but some underwhelm and some, as you say, irritate. Only my bottommost two entries do I find pretty significant missed opportunities.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e il momento che verrà
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Sorry for just catching up, but I take it we're doing film scores (not including title songs) next? I want to make sure I have enough time to brush up and get a proper list going.

    Indeed! Preferably what you think of the actual music in the films, and how the music contributes to what you see onscreen, than the album versions (since some albums are hardly representative of their film score).
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
    edited June 17 Posts: 2,345
    Thanks for this game @GoldenGun I'm quite proud of my Kissy's achievements, the girl did good! 😍👍
    Agent_99 wrote: »
    I might sit this one out as I don't know the scores that well; the music isn't something I tend to notice much in films. But I'll be watching with interest!

    Yes, I think it's only fair I do the same. Whilst I listen to the soundtrack CDs quite a bit and have my favourites, in terms of their role in the actual films I also tend not to notice them so much. I'd be hard pressed to form a personally meaningful ranking, and any half-hearted attempt would just skew the results for those of you who study the soundtracks in detail, which wouldn't be fair. I'll certainly be back for future rounds though.

    @GoldenGun do you think you could make sure a new thread is started when you're calling for submissions for future rounds please, makes it easier to spot on my quick visits.

    Edit: sorry, just noticed there is a new thread started, so that's all good, just me not paying attention - could you instead get @DarthDimi to pin the next one before submissions close, to help scatterbrain members like me! :) Thx!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Max_The_Parrot, I just pinned it for you and others (and myself, as I'm likely to forget by Sunday!)
  • Max_The_ParrotMax_The_Parrot ATAC to St Cyril’s
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    You're a good 'un, @Creasy47 thanks! :)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,959
    You're a good 'un, @Creasy47 thanks! :)

    Thank you and no problem!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm having a lot of fun with these threads. Fun way to spend the time before NTTD hits. 😄
  • Posts: 5,981
    Yes, it's fun to get the slow reveal each day, seeing how the collective ranking of everyone who participates turns out. Definitely helping pass the time till October.
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