NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2021 Posts: 4,220
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.

    “The mission that changes everything”. They weren’t kidding.
  • Jimjambond wrote: »
    Downbeat ending could have an impact on the box office when word of mouth gets around. Most Bond fans will turn out but worry about others who might just give it a miss. Personally disappointed in the ending - would much prefer to walk out the cinema feeling upbeat.
    What's the repeat viewing factor? Are you wanting to see it again ASAP or you don't feel like there's any excitement to see it again so soon?

    Have my seat booked for 0.05 am showing tomorrow but won't be going back to see it again.
  • Posts: 13,866
    km16 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    But surely you can see how it dampens our enthusiasm for going into the theater and seeing a new James Bond film. I mean we’re sitting there knowing it is leading to his death. There’s nothing pleasant about it from this perspective. How are we supposed to enjoy everything in between? I don’t need some grand arc to define the Craig Era. I just wanted a fun Bond film. I’m so disappointed and, rational or not, angry.

    That about sums it up, yup. I've had enough death in my life this year. A coworker, a pet, my father taken by cancer. I was looking forward to an escapist Bond film to bring me out of my hole, not sink me further into it watching my favorite fictional hero get offed.

    Same here. This film doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned, especially after a six year wait.
    Eon should be paying the audience to sit thru this cop out dreck.
    Not interested. They just lost another fan, and I won't be going to see any new film at this point. It would only just get worse.
  • Posts: 11,093
    matt_u wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.

    “The mission that changes everything”. They weren’t kidding.

    From the perspective of someone who has not yet seen it, it sounds cheap and done just because it can be be done :( the thing I’m most curious about right now is that rumor of there having been multiple endings shot…
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2021 Posts: 4,220
    FoxRox wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.

    “The mission that changes everything”. They weren’t kidding.

    From the perspective of someone who has not yet seen it, it sounds cheap and done just because it can be be done :( the thing I’m most curious about right now is that rumor of there having been multiple endings shot…

    From what I read - also from users on this thread - this ending is extremely earned. Plus, there’s not even a single review that criticizes how the film ends.
  • Drinman wrote: »
    A poster over on the James Bond Reddit is falling this The Last Jedi of the 007 franchise.

    rt29Wv.gif

    Having seen the film, I concur with this sentiment. I really liked the film and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

    However, I'm the type of fan who enjoys the subversion. I want the plots to be more personal, I love the fact M was the leading lady of SF, I want a person of colour to be the new Bond, etc. The franchise needs shaking up.

    If you like 'more of the same' from your Bond films, you're a staunch traditionalist, etc. Then I think this film will polarise you. I actually think the sentiment that this is both Craig's silliest and most serious film is very accurate.

    What I will say is....wait! If you have read the spoilers, wait till you've seen the ending. It's close to perfect.
  • Posts: 526
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?
  • Posts: 13,866
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    They're at the bottom for me now as they signaled the beginning of the end.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 3,316
    matt_u wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.
    It does have a whiff of giving Mr Craig his big final send-off rather than staying true to the franchise and the cinematic interpretation of the character. A sort of repeat and rinse of Dame Dench's death in SF. Has this now set a new precedent for Bond and does it mean that any regular big name actor leaving their respective role will now be killed off in the future? If so, then this premise could get extremely predictable pretty damn quick and they'll be no need for spoilers as it'll be an automatic given.
  • Posts: 11,093
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    CR should stay as my favorite Bond film. If NTTD hurts to watch as much as it sounds, I’m just going to want to think of this era as the first three films.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,220
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    They're at the bottom for me now as they signaled the beginning of the end.

    So why bother even.
    bondsum wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.
    It does have a whiff of giving Mr Craig his big final send-off rather than staying true to the franchise and the cinematic interpretation of the character. A sort of repeat and rinse of Dame Dench's death in SF. Has this now set a new precedent for Bond and does it mean that any regular big name actor leaving their respective role will now be killed off in the future? If so, then this premise could get extremely predictable pretty damn quick and they'll be no need for spoilers as it'll be an automatic given.

    This is clearly a one in a lifetime scenario.
  • Jimjambond wrote: »
    Downbeat ending could have an impact on the box office when word of mouth gets around. Most Bond fans will turn out but worry about others who might just give it a miss. Personally disappointed in the ending - would much prefer to walk out the cinema feeling upbeat.
    What's the repeat viewing factor? Are you wanting to see it again ASAP or you don't feel like there's any excitement to see it again so soon?

    Have my seat booked for 0.05 am showing tomorrow but won't be going back to see it again.

    Wowzer. That bad huh?
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 526
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    CR should stay as my favorite Bond film. If NTTD hurts to watch as much as it sounds, I’m just going to want to think of this era as the first three films.
    That’s exactly where I am too. Those are my three fav Bond movies. 1. Casino 2. QOS 3. Skyfall
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 1,917
    tqb wrote: »
    Judge the movie for yourself

    Exactly. So far a lot of the movie critics who were there said the movie was great. Im going into next week with a positive mindset.
  • ToTheRight wrote: »
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    They're at the bottom for me now as they signaled the beginning of the end.

    It's ironic, people were hoping NTTD could redeem SP but now, for some, I'm sure this is the proverbial nail.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 3,316
    matt_u wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    They're at the bottom for me now as they signaled the beginning of the end.

    So why bother even.
    bondsum wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.
    It does have a whiff of giving Mr Craig his big final send-off rather than staying true to the franchise and the cinematic interpretation of the character. A sort of repeat and rinse of Dame Dench's death in SF. Has this now set a new precedent for Bond and does it mean that any regular big name actor leaving their respective role will now be killed off in the future? If so, then this premise could get extremely predictable pretty damn quick and they'll be no need for spoilers as it'll be an automatic given.

    This is clearly a one in a lifetime scenario.
    Sorry, but nothing is clear or a one in a lifetime scenario. The current scenario is A-list actor leaves franchise = dramatic Shakespearen death scene.
  • Posts: 526
    Drinman wrote: »
    A poster over on the James Bond Reddit is falling this The Last Jedi of the 007 franchise.

    rt29Wv.gif

    Having seen the film, I concur with this sentiment. I really liked the film and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

    However, I'm the type of fan who enjoys the subversion. I want the plots to be more personal, I love the fact M was the leading lady of SF, I want a person of colour to be the new Bond, etc. The franchise needs shaking up.

    If you like 'more of the same' from your Bond films, you're a staunch traditionalist, etc. Then I think this film will polarise you. I actually think the sentiment that this is both Craig's silliest and most serious film is very accurate.

    What I will say is....wait! If you have read the spoilers, wait till you've seen the ending. It's close to perfect.

    Could you give an example of the silliness? I thought SP really started to go down that road too much for my taste. Falling on the couch, the goofy sound made during the helicopter fight, the car chase, “Mickey Mouse” etc.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 5,735
    So a tenure that was always about subversion ends on the most subversive note.

    Nothing new there.


    Let's just hope that when James Bond returns he'll return to a more traditional, non-subversive form, without being rogue, having personal angles revenge themes, without saying "do I look like I give a damn", or "we don't go for that sort of thing these days", or whatever.

    It worked brilliantly for Craig, I must say. But let's move now into more familiar ground, shall we? For the next one, I mean.

    Then again, who am I kidding. They'll say if it works once it'll work again, and keep making the same stuff, won't they?

    That being said, NTTD can still be a brilliant film, contained in DC's narrative.

    It's like a friend's episode: "The one with
    Bond dying
    "

    So don't fret about it and go watch the bloody thing, so they'll have the money to do the next one you'll probably like.
  • Posts: 11,093
    So…
    Monogamous Bond (I think)? Disappointing gun barrel? Doubling down on ill-fitting humor for Craig? Explicit Bond death? Geez. I can only hope this will play better on the screen than what I’ve read. Seems like a bunch of subversion for subversion sake. Boyle must have left for the death thing after all - can’t say I blame him.
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    Some of you are so fickle. I have not read the ending spoiler but how about instead of being mad that this ending you watch the entire movie and then maybe this ending will actually make sense. See the story play out and see how they tell the story to get to that ending.
  • Posts: 5,735
    FoxRox wrote: »
    So…
    Monogamous Bond (I think)? Disappointing gun barrel? Doubling down on ill-fitting humor for Craig? Explicit Bond death? Geez. I can only hope this will play better on the screen than what I’ve read. Seems like a bunch of subversion for subversion sake. Boyle must have left for the death thing after all - can’t say I blame him.

    But I was under the impression this all tenure was about "subversion for subversion sake" :D

    What were we really expecting?

    I, for one, won't be taken aback by this, and will try to enjoy the film as what it is.
  • Drinman wrote: »
    A poster over on the James Bond Reddit is falling this The Last Jedi of the 007 franchise.

    rt29Wv.gif

    Having seen the film, I concur with this sentiment. I really liked the film and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

    However, I'm the type of fan who enjoys the subversion. I want the plots to be more personal, I love the fact M was the leading lady of SF, I want a person of colour to be the new Bond, etc. The franchise needs shaking up.

    If you like 'more of the same' from your Bond films, you're a staunch traditionalist, etc. Then I think this film will polarise you. I actually think the sentiment that this is both Craig's silliest and most serious film is very accurate.

    What I will say is....wait! If you have read the spoilers, wait till you've seen the ending. It's close to perfect.

    Could you give an example of the silliness? I thought SP really started to go down that road too much for my taste. Falling on the couch, the goofy sound made during the helicopter fight, the car chase, “Mickey Mouse” etc.

    Every scene with David Dencik feels like a deleted scene from a Roger Moore-era film. Also, the Independent critic is correct in saying the plot's core premise of a biological weapon of mass destruction is "generic spy nonsense." They were my two biggest issues with the film. Along with some wonky script work in the second act.

    I cannot fault the opening or third act. As I've mentioned, close to perfect. However, NTTD is not CR or SF levels of perfection. Though I'm in desperate need of a rewatch pronto!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2021 Posts: 4,220
    bondsum wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The Rotten Tomatoes audience score is going to suck for NTTD. Will this movie (if you dislike it) affect the way you watch the other Craig movies? Or how you think of them?

    They're at the bottom for me now as they signaled the beginning of the end.

    So why bother even.
    bondsum wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The idea of killing Bond definitively just feels so sacrilegious to the source material and like a lazy way out for the end of the era. I’m still going to go see it as I believe in giving everything a fair shake for oneself, but I’m glad I know this happens in advance so my expectations hit bottom. I had a feeling this title was going to divide fans, and oh boy is it ever. This one will be talked about forever, for better or worse.

    To me it feels like NTTD is breaking more than 60 years of certainties. But man… what a way to go for Daniel.
    It does have a whiff of giving Mr Craig his big final send-off rather than staying true to the franchise and the cinematic interpretation of the character. A sort of repeat and rinse of Dame Dench's death in SF. Has this now set a new precedent for Bond and does it mean that any regular big name actor leaving their respective role will now be killed off in the future? If so, then this premise could get extremely predictable pretty damn quick and they'll be no need for spoilers as it'll be an automatic given.

    This is clearly a one in a lifetime scenario.
    Sorry, but nothing is clear or a one in a lifetime scenario. The current scenario is A-list actor leaves franchise = dramatic Shakespearen death scene.

    Yeah sure. They will kill off every other future Bond on their last picture. Come on.

    A question for who has seen it. Why Safin has all this skin damaged? He’s really de-aging?
  • Posts: 526
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Some of you are so fickle. I have not read the ending spoiler but how about instead of being mad that this ending you watch the entire movie and then maybe this ending will actually make sense. See the story play out and see how they tell the story to get to that ending.
    Once you see you’re worst nightmare, you can’t unsee it. And that’s permanently plastered in your mind. Out of sight, out of mind.
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Some of you are so fickle. I have not read the ending spoiler but how about instead of being mad that this ending you watch the entire movie and then maybe this ending will actually make sense. See the story play out and see how they tell the story to get to that ending.
    Once you see you’re worst nightmare, you can’t unsee it. And that’s permanently plastered in your mind. Out of sight, out of mind.

    SMH. Watch the movie and see how this ending comes about. If it makes sense then it wouldnt be that much of a nightmare
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 5,735
    There will be the idiot who retcons the entire thing and asks the question: Is that why we never got to see an older Bond from the other actors?

    Mind you, I won't be that idiot :D
  • Posts: 526
    Drinman wrote: »
    A poster over on the James Bond Reddit is falling this The Last Jedi of the 007 franchise.

    rt29Wv.gif

    Having seen the film, I concur with this sentiment. I really liked the film and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

    However, I'm the type of fan who enjoys the subversion. I want the plots to be more personal, I love the fact M was the leading lady of SF, I want a person of colour to be the new Bond, etc. The franchise needs shaking up.

    If you like 'more of the same' from your Bond films, you're a staunch traditionalist, etc. Then I think this film will polarise you. I actually think the sentiment that this is both Craig's silliest and most serious film is very accurate.

    What I will say is....wait! If you have read the spoilers, wait till you've seen the ending. It's close to perfect.

    Could you give an example of the silliness? I thought SP really started to go down that road too much for my taste. Falling on the couch, the goofy sound made during the helicopter fight, the car chase, “Mickey Mouse” etc.

    Every scene with David Dencik feels like a deleted scene from a Roger Moore-era film. Also, the Independent critic is correct in saying the plot's core premise of a biological weapon of mass destruction is "generic spy nonsense." They were my two biggest issues with the film. Along with some wonky script work in the second act.

    I cannot fault the opening or third act. As I've mentioned, close to perfect. However, NTTD is not CR or SF levels of perfection. Though I'm in desperate need of a rewatch pronto!
    Thanks! And I want to thank everyone on the board for being so courteous to a newbie. I feel like I’ve been here for years. I love Bond, very passionate about it, and I’m honestly distraught over a 6 year wait and now this. Just flabbergasted. And I am a non-spoiler guy. I have dodged spoilers, videos, etc . All this time for this BS?

    Question: How much (percentage) of the movie would you say is slapstick? And can you elaborate on the “dangerous new technology”? Thanks
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Yeah sure. They will kill off every other future Bond on their last picture. Come on.
    You're only on moderately safe ground as we're not in the future yet, so you can't disprove my hypothesis unless you happen to have a crystal ball or your name is Nostradamus. But as the death of M and now Bond has already proven, nothing can be ruled out going forwards. Come back to me when Ralph Fiennes decides to leave his role. Until then, sayōnara.
  • Posts: 5,735
    BTW, doesn't this make the film's title a paradox? 8-|

    Cute.
  • Posts: 11,093
    Title looks absolutely stupid now.
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