No Time To Die - Safin's Plot (Spoilers!)

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  • edited December 2019 Posts: 4,400
    I think what we need to hone in and focus on is Madeline’s “secret.”

    It perhaps isn't a coincidence that the emergence of Madeleine's secret coincides with the arrival of Safin. The mask reveal in the NTTD confirms some kind of connection between Swann and Safin, and the package feels like a message is being sent.

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    Madeleine's tears give away that not only does she know what this message is intended to convey, but also that she's fearful of whatever comes next. Logically, this would mean that whatever business Swann has involved herself in over the years, she thought she had escaped it.

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    We know from the story that Madeleine tells on the train in SP that: ‘A man once came to our house to kill my father. He didn't know I was upstairs playing in my bedroom. Or that Papa kept a Beretta 9mm under the sink with the bleach. That's why I hate guns.’

    It seems the PTS of NTTD will explain this sequence. The man in question is evidently going to be Safin. The question is why does Safin mostly look the same? We haven’t had a good look at the young Madeleine actress, but it’s likely that she is aged between 13 to 16. Some theories below:
    • Safin was a child soldier: Safin is a similar age to the young Madeleine. They could de-age Rami Malek to make him appear as if he is 15 (would explain why they decided to hide him behind a mask). Fukunaga has already made a film about vulnerable children being exploited as soldiers, so he knows this area. It could also explain why the more naïve Safin saves Madeleine. Maybe they became friends after?
    • Safin is a ‘clone’: Genetic engineering plays a role in this film. So don’t dismiss it.
    • Safin is actually an old man: Perhaps Safin has found a way to cheat death and live forever. Hence why he is ageless. Maybe, Safin worked alongside Madeleine after the lake incident to work on their formula.

    This all leads to the bigger question of who sent Safin to kill Mr White:

    My instant thought is ‘Blofeld.’ However, that makes zero sense as this would have been during the time that Mr White and Blofeld were a team. Plus, it would later take nearly 20 years from that point for them to fall out to such an extent that White would need to go on the run.

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    However, it’s teased by Fukunaga in the Empire trailer-breakdown that Blofeld has a bigger scheme in mind, and – is perhaps – the lead villain pulling the strings. Allegedly the prison scene is not his only sequence.

    Therefore, maybe after the lake incident the young Safin - having been inspired by Madeleine - joined Spectre. Where he has been a protege of Blofeld since.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2019 Posts: 2,541
    talos7 wrote: »
    This may have been proposed,
    When Blofeld says, “...it’ll be the death of him” could he be talking about Safin ? Possibly Swann holds the key to defeating him.

    I still think he was talking about that
    kidnapped scientist
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    He's talking to Bond about Bond.
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 4,400
    Also, if you look at the location it looks as though this explosion is in a laboratory. Perhaps this is Porton Down? Where the scientist is kidnapped?

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    Also, I think Primo carries out the act....

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Also, if you look at the location it looks as though this explosion is in a laboratory. Perhaps this is Porton Down? Where the scientist is kidnapped?

    NTTD_Trailer_22.png

    Also, I think Primo carries out the act....

    NTTD_Trailer_24.png
    My initial thought was that this was definitely the explosion that blew off the walls of the 007 Stage.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
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    Someone on youtube said that Safin could be a pun on the french expression "Sa fin" which means "his or her end" (Fukunaga speaks french fluently so it could be true), that plus a Bond girl called Swann, and knowing it's the last Craig movie, ending seems to be the (or a) main topic of this movie...
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited December 2019 Posts: 3,497
    duke_togo wrote: »
    Someone on youtube said that Safin could be a pun on the french expression "Sa fin" which means "his or her end" (Fukunaga speaks french fluently so it could be true), that plus a Bond girl called Swann, and knowing it's the last Craig movie, ending seems to be the (or a) main topic of this movie...

    Both Safin & Madeline won't be alive at the end.

    I just hope that her death isn't before Bond goes after him or just as he's about to start...

    Just my two cents. :D
  • edited December 2019 Posts: 4,400
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    duke_togo wrote: »
    Someone on youtube said that Safin could be a pun on the french expression "Sa fin" which means "his or her end" (Fukunaga speaks french fluently so it could be true), that plus a Bond girl called Swann, and knowing it's the last Craig movie, ending seems to be the (or a) main topic of this movie...

    Both Safin & Madeline won't be alive at the end.

    I just hope that her death isn't before Bond goes after him or just as he's about to start...

    Just my two cents. :D

    Fukunaga made the following comment when asked about Madeleine's return:
    https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/bond-25-trailer-breakdown-no-time-to-die-director-cary-joji-fukunaga/

    There hasn’t been a returning Bond girl since Eunice Gayson in From Russia With Love. Was bringing Madeleine back an exciting way to break with convention?

    I thought Dr. Swann was the first person to continue and not be “fridged”, until Barbara [Broccoli] told me otherwise! Some people might look at it as a burden, and some people might look at it as an opportunity, when you’re inheriting characters or story points. The way I saw it was: there’s a lot of rich material to draw from. And then there’s also the joy of continuity. So for the people who know the stories, to be able topick up on some of these things, plus leitmotifs and other references to previous films; it just enriches the experience.


    Especially in our more enlightened times, I can't see them killing Madeleine. She's clearly an integral part of the film. In fact, they are more likely to kill Bond than her. I'm certain we will get as much Lea Seydoux in NTTD as we did in SP.....plus, the more Seydoux the better:

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    All the female characters seem to be built in the post MeToo mould. All kick butt and are integral to the story.

    The 'Sa Fin' reveal is very cool. I suspect it's a reference to Craig's finale. But the rumours that he could be Dr No are mounting.....



    We know:
    • Bond and Felix team up in Jamaica much like in DN
    • The plot is science-based
    • Safin wears a Japanese 'Noh' mask
    • Safin's HQ and fashion-sense is similar to Dr No's.
    • There's an East Asian influence to Safin's lair. Much like Dr No.
    • Bond says Safin is playing 'God' and Bond told Dr No that men who play 'God' end up in asylums.

    If he is indeed Dr No, I hope it isn't a secret and the next trailer reveals it. I mean look at the resemblance:

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    I hope he’s not dr no. This will be two films in a row they rebooted a villian.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    This will be two films in a row they rebooted a villian.

    Such a big deal...
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    This will be two films in a row they rebooted a villian.

    Such a big deal...

    After the reception of the last one I’d be hesitant to do it again
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    I just don't see a purpose of rebooting a villain like Dr. No. I get wanting to use Blofeld after so many years of legal battles and finally getting the rights, but why reuse Dr. No? What purpose will that serve the story? This movie seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the film or novel otherwise. Yeah, we have Jamaica. But Casino Royale had Nassau and we weren't considering that a remake of Thunderball. Other than the Easter egg factor I can't foresee what difference it will make if Malek is Safin or Dr. No. It's just a name at that point.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    When was Nomi in Matera? @duke_togo

    Lashana was filming on a rocky shore by the ocean. However, it wasn't for the Matera scenes, but actually the finale in Norway.

    Lea Seydoux was there as well - Cary was wearing A Clockwork Orange t-shirt.

    So............does the plot involve both genetic engineering AND climate change? It's clear that Malek is playing God, but he's also growing algae.

    Lashana, Lea, Cary filmed those scenes by, as you wrote on a rocky shore, but just outside Maratea city on the west coast, some 200 km from Matera.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    When was Nomi in Matera? @duke_togo

    She wasn't. But she filmed on the rocky beach outside Maratea, 200 km from Matera
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
    edited December 2019 Posts: 138
    Well it seems more and more that Malek's Safin is a new version of Dr No, regarding the last pic of him in Empire... But we still don't see his hands , so there's still a possibility that he's not.
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    Fukunaga in the Empire article alludes to Safin believing that being in charge of the underworld is his rightful place...angling to take over SPECTRE indeed?
  • antovolk wrote: »
    Fukunaga in the Empire article alludes to Safin believing that being in charge of the underworld is his rightful place...angling to take over SPECTRE indeed?

    Very interesting....I'm thinking he's Blofeld's protege.

    Though, the Empire article also confirms that Safin and Madeline have a connection. I think this confirms that he is the man on the lake sent to kill Mr White.

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    I think we may see a teenaged Safin sent to kill White and then he ends up saving Madeleine. Maybe then Blofeld took Safin under his wing. Maybe Safin then had an unrequited love for Madeleine? It would play into the whole 'epic love story' that Broccoli promised.

    Maybe the reason Safin is in the mask is really economical, as they didn't want to digitally de-age Rami Malek. Fukunaga has already shown an interest in the topic of child soldiers. People should watch the masterpiece that is 'Beasts of No Nation'.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Fukunaga in the Empire article alludes to Safin believing that being in charge of the underworld is his rightful place...angling to take over SPECTRE indeed?

    Yes. Blofeld being in jail represents his big chance to take over, even destroying SPECTRE or just killing Blofeld’s supporters within the organization (the gas scene in the trailer).
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
    edited January 2020 Posts: 138
    Many noticed that Blofeld is said to be born in 1946 in the trailer whereas Waltz is born in 1956 and Safin seems to not get old so it looks like Blofeld or Safin finds a way to slow down oldness or builds a kind of high tech "Fountain of Youth". As the Craig era is a reboot of the "previous" franchise my theory is that this a way to explain why Bond didn't exceed the mid-late fifties in the pre-Casino Royale movies.


  • LOTS to be gleamed in the EW interview. Namely, the following:
    • Despite being behind bars, Blofeld is behind the entire plot;
    • Safin believes that he is a saviour;
    • He also thinks he has found a solution to one of the biggest problems in the world (could this be climate change or (perhaps) even death);
    • Barbara calls him ‘old’; and
    • When discussing his scars, Rami says that Safin has been some things in his life that he is still dealing with.

    There is also a sly mention and later a quick reversal that ‘Safin’ may not be his real name. But this isn’t the first time that Rami has said ‘I’m not Dr No. Wink wink.’ Last time Waltz walked a very similar line……however, with the news that SPECTRE are behind everything again. I think it’s pretty clear that one of the big mysteries of the film will be Dr No’s return.

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    It’s not as bone-headed as Waltz being Blofeld in SP – as that film was called ‘Spectre’, we’d seen photos in the lead up to release of Waltz in a Nehru jacket and in silhouette behind a desk. Not to mention the fact that he just looks and sounds like Blofeld. It was obvious to anyone with a half a brain he was Blofeld. They weren’t fooling anyone.

    Here it’s a little more fun and mischievous. It’s not overly obvious and could work as a fun reveal in the film (alternatively, the marketing may reveal it soon. After all, he does look like Dr No). It could work better than the Blofeld reveal….
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Despite being behind bars, Blofeld is behind the entire plot;

    They say Blofeld communicates with SPECTRE from prison and that obviously doesn't mean he's behind the entire plot. As far as we know Safin could easily want to take control, or even destroy, the organization (SPECTRE members collapsing after being gassed).
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    duke_togo wrote: »
    Many noticed that Blofeld is said to be born in 1946 in the trailer whereas Waltz is born in 1956 and Safin seems to not get old so it looks like Blofeld or Safin finds a way to slow down oldness or builds a kind of high tech "Fountain of Youth". As the Craig era is a reboot of the "previous" franchise my theory is that this a way to explain why Bond didn't exceed the mid-late fifties in the pre-Casino Royale movies.

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    matt_u wrote: »
    Despite being behind bars, Blofeld is behind the entire plot;

    They say Blofeld communicates with SPECTRE from prison and that obviously doesn't mean he's behind the entire plot. As far as we know Safin could easily want to take control, or even destroy, the organization (SPECTRE members collapsing after being gassed).

    Given what we know so far, I think the most likely scenario is that Safin is a rival of Blofeld and SPECTRE and that Blofeld will play both sides against the middle here.

    I'm a bit concerned about Safin's scheme to be honest. I fear it might dwell too far into scifi territory.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Despite being behind bars, Blofeld is behind the entire plot;

    They say Blofeld communicates with SPECTRE from prison and that obviously doesn't mean he's behind the entire plot. As far as we know Safin could easily want to take control, or even destroy, the organization (SPECTRE members collapsing after being gassed).

    Given what we know so far, I think the most likely scenario is that Safin is a rival of Blofeld and SPECTRE and that Blofeld will play both sides against the middle here.

    I'm a bit concerned about Safin's scheme to be honest. I fear it might dwell too far into scifi territory.

    To be fair, I think Dr. No, Drax, Gustav Graves and to an extent Max Zorin all had some elements of science fiction to their characters. Not saying I’m looking forward to going into that same territory in NTTD (which looks to be the case). But if done well, it could work. The more I hear about Safin, the more interesting he becomes in my eyes.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Despite being behind bars, Blofeld is behind the entire plot;

    They say Blofeld communicates with SPECTRE from prison and that obviously doesn't mean he's behind the entire plot. As far as we know Safin could easily want to take control, or even destroy, the organization (SPECTRE members collapsing after being gassed).

    Given what we know so far, I think the most likely scenario is that Safin is a rival of Blofeld and SPECTRE and that Blofeld will play both sides against the middle here.

    I'm a bit concerned about Safin's scheme to be honest. I fear it might dwell too far into scifi territory.

    To be fair, I think Dr. No, Drax, Gustav Graves and to an extent Max Zorin all had some elements of science fiction to their characters. Not saying I’m looking forward to going into that same territory in NTTD (which looks to be the case). But if done well, it could work. The more I hear about Safin, the more interesting he becomes in my eyes.

    In the examples you provided, it only worked well in Dr No. There are other Bond movies featuring scifi elements, as long as they're used sparingly and plausible it's fine. OHMSS and GE are examples of "discreet" scifi elements used well.
  • Denbigh wrote: »
    When was Nomi in Matera? @duke_togo

    Lashana was filming on a rocky shore by the ocean. However, it wasn't for the Matera scenes, but actually the finale in Norway.

    Lea Seydoux was there as well - Cary was wearing A Clockwork Orange t-shirt.

    So............does the plot involve both genetic engineering AND climate change? It's clear that Malek is playing God, but he's also growing algae.

    One thing we may have missed regarding the plot possibly dealing with climate change is Scott Z Burns. Just saw this on Twitter:



    He also produced An Inconvenient Truth....

    Now Malek says that the villain wants to save the world and has found some kind of answer to one of the biggest problems. Isn't one of the biggest problems climate change?
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    I was thinking mankind’s biggest problem being death itself. Maybe Safin’s found a key to that?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I've picked up some hints for that, @Gatecrasher, real or imagined by me.

    If Safin has the solution for death (an unmanageable prospect), surely OO7 has the counter-remedy for that as well.

  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    I've picked up some hints for that, @Gatecrasher, real or imagined by me.

    If Safin has the solution for death (an unmanageable prospect), surely OO7 has the counter-remedy for that as well.

    Fair point.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Yeah, I posted something similar about Safrin being a modern-day Victor Frankenstein on the trailers thread as well. Looks like we've both come to a similar conclusion that Safrin is using the algae to help 'purify' the water contaminated from nuclear waste but it's just an environmental cover story for his own nefarious, diabolical plan, which is the rejuvenation of dead human skin cells. In part, resurrecting the dying or the now deceased. It might explain the use of "Die" in the title and it's themes, plus why the scaring on Safrin's face doesn't look as severe as it does from the earlier scenes by the ice. It's the whole Gods and Monsters thing taken from Mary Shelley that I think Bond is referring to in that trailer clip.

    I think we are on to something......sounds more like a villain from a Pierce Brosnan film. I also wouldn't have thought CJF would take this route.

    But..........it does seem to the angle they are going down. Safin is trying to cheat death - hence why he has 'no time to die.'

    Having watched the first season of True Detective and Netflix’s Maniac, this sounds plausible for CJF.
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