No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited December 2020 Posts: 4,116
    Zekidk wrote: »
    "Industry predicts 'No Time To Die' will delay again"

    The Bond sequel is currently scheduled to premiere on April 2, 2021, but the movie’s financial backers are wary of being the first blockbuster out of the gate because its core audience skews older, a demographic that’s been more reluctant to go to the movies during the pandemic.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/industry-predicts-no-time-to-die-will-delay-again-201202

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    Yeah...it's mostly old people who watch Bond movies. Really?

    I don't know about SP, but SF definitely skewed toward an "older" audience. But I am not sure that "older" means "old." I mean, for all intents and purposes DC and I (both being 52) are old.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    I have accepted November 2021 is the release date. That way I will be pleasantly surprised if it does come in April, and not disappointed if it is delayed again.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
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    Well, to be fair, what has EON given youngsters in the past decade of so to get excited about?

    Christ has Dan let himself go in that clip...
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Mallory wrote: »
    I have accepted November 2021 is the release date. That way I will be pleasantly surprised if it does come in April, and not disappointed if it is delayed again.

    I have accepted November 2022 as the release date for 60th anniversary celebration, i doubt they will delay it that much at the same time i will be happy whenever it comes ;)
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    It’s going to be Nov. 2021. I’ve been saying it all along.
  • Craig is beginning to remind me of Ed Harris... same kind of rugged handsomeness.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    "Older audience" means an audience of an older average age. Most movies are currently made with an audience of teenagers or people in their twenties in mind. But long-established franchises such as Bond or Star Wars will also get people in their thirties, forties or fifties who have stopped going to the movies frequently but make an exception for a new entry of something they grew up with.

    Or you can take Dreamworks Animation and Pixar. Dreamworks will get kids, and parents who accept to accompany them. Pixar gets kids and parents who saw the first Toy Story or enjoy the kind of narrative Pixar is famous for.

    Marketing tends to speak of "four-quadrant movies" with the age threshold for the 3rd and 4th quadrants being 25. NTTD relies more on these quadrants than Black Panther or Jumanji: Next Level.
  • edited December 2020 Posts: 2,889
    "Older audience" means an audience of an older average age. Most movies are currently made with an audience of teenagers or people in their twenties in mind. But long-established franchises such as Bond or Star Wars will also get people in their thirties, forties or fifties who have stopped going to the movies frequently but make an exception for a new entry of something they grew up with.
    Yes, I agree. But as I see it, Bond - as an action franchise - has always, or at least until the Craig era, targeted a younger audience, from teenagers to early thirties. In the 80's every boy in the block, including me, was into Bond (and Star Wars as you mention as the other reference.)

    Today, I teach kids at the age of 10-15 and they generally couldn't care less about Bond (or Star Wars in fact.) They are into Marvel and fantasy-movies. Much like most young people - at least where I live - hate all music that has a guitar solo in it! In general.

    This has been discussed before, but I am very curious to see which direction the producers are taking the Bond franchise next after Craig. If the target audience keep getting older and older, and they don't pamper to new generations, we could slowly be facing the end of the franchise.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Is NTTD going to move to November and then play chicken with Mission impossible 7?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Is NTTD going to move to November and then play chicken with Mission impossible 7?

    It would be awesome to get NTTD and MI7 in the same month. THE NOVEMBER MEN, lol.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Is NTTD going to move to November and then play chicken with Mission impossible 7?

    It would be awesome to get NTTD and MI7 in the same month. THE NOVEMBER MEN, lol.

    MI007

    See what I did there :P
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Come to think of it, EON probably won’t want Bond coming out in the same month as MI. I didn’t realize MI was coming out in November.

    Brace yourselves! If Bond doesn’t arrive in April, it’ll be 2022.
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    "Older audience" means an audience of an older average age. Most movies are currently made with an audience of teenagers or people in their twenties in mind. But long-established franchises such as Bond or Star Wars will also get people in their thirties, forties or fifties who have stopped going to the movies frequently but make an exception for a new entry of something they grew up with.
    Yes, I agree. But as I see it, Bond - as an action franchise - has always, or at least until the Craig era, targeted a younger audience, from teenagers to early thirties. In the 80's every boy in the block, including me, was into Bond (and Star Wars as you mention as the other reference.)

    Today, I teach kids at the age of 10-15 and they generally couldn't care less about Bond (or Star Wars in fact.) They are into Marvel and fantasy-movies. Much like most young people - at least where I live - hate all music that has a guitar solo in it! In general.

    This has been discussed before, but I am very curious to see which direction the producers are taking the Bond franchise next after Craig. If the target audience keep getting older and older, and they don't pamper to new generations, we could slowly be facing the end of the franchise.

    The demographic here skews slightly to a younger Bond fandom because it is a digital platform but in general, as stated above, Bond fandom leans much older than most. (25 and up which is not prime movie goers. Anybody want to give their general age range here as an experiment?) I too, deal with kids between 15 and 25 a lot and find that fantasy films register with them much, much more than Bond. Now it does not surprise me when some say they have never seen a single Bond film in their lives. Not many are not lusting after a shell ejecting DB-5 let alone a drivers license.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Come to think of it, EON probably won’t want Bond coming out in the same month as MI. I didn’t realize MI was coming out in November.

    Brace yourselves! If Bond doesn’t arrive in April, it’ll be 2022.

    Unless... M:I has had a short period of suspension of shooting, due to Covid. And depending on the insane stunts Cruise wants to do and how much of that is possible in these times, they may need to delay as well.
    If EON insists on a theatrical release and MGM doesn't do something unpredictable, *and* they aren't satisfied with the April release date, I can actually see them announce a November 2021 date, a week or two after M:I 7. They might think M:I will not be finished in time, or that M:I might feel pressured and moves, or they simply think if people have to choose between M:I and Bond, they'll choose the latter (strength of the brand and all). In the meantime, the MGM research department might do some enquiries and based on that, they might move again. I think EON's power lies in the fact that they want it released theatrically, but I'm not sure MGM would be willing to postpone just on the basis of EON not wanting M:I opening around the same time.

    So, my prediction, just based on gut feeling: they're still committed to the April date for now, but are considering a move. If they move, they'll go for Fall 2021 first, before maybe then moving it to 2022.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2020 Posts: 6,682
    There's a news story doing the rounds that apparently all of WB's movies next year will be released on HBO at the same time as cinemas, just as Wonder Woman will be.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Yes, that's quite a massive shake-up for the industry as a whole.
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    Rip theatres.
  • I think anything short of Casino Royale quality will feel like a letdown. We'll have waited that long to see the film. I wish they'd just release the bloody thing. I'm really not precious about seeing it at a cinema.
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    This Warner Bros move makes me wonder if EON will reconsider a hybrid streaming/theater model. That's a huge huge move by WB. I'm hoping it's just for 2021 but for now, it's an insanely smart move
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    "NEW YORK (AP) — In the most seismic shift by a Hollywood studio yet during the pandemic, Warner Bros. Pictures on Thursday announced that all of its 2021 film slate — including a new “Matrix” movie, “Godzilla vs. Kong” and the Lin-Manuel Miranda adaptation “In the Heights” — will stream on HBO Max at the same time they play in theaters."

    https://apnews.com/article/movies-coronavirus-pandemic-lin-manuel-miranda-92b80a6304dda71db50a84aa064a4378
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    An old friend and a (Heineken) beer... What's better?
  • Okay, so it seems NTTD will be the last primarily theatrical Bond film ever. Btw, I really don't see a 5th delay. By April, the most vulnerable will easily have been vaccianated in all developed countries.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited December 2020 Posts: 4,116
    Well, to be fair, what has EON given youngsters in the past decade of so to get excited about?

    Christ has Dan let himself go in that clip...

    I don't see that at all. He's likely filmed himself on an iPhone, with a desk lamp. With that kind of lighting, we'd all look like death warmed over. So that begs the question: why does he tend to do these things in what looks like a darkened chamber? DC is an awfully private person...unlike a lot of celebs and media types, who have no problem letting everyone see what's on their walls and what's in their house, he prefers to show nothing. LOL. I have to respect him for that.
    Zekidk wrote: »
    "NEW YORK (AP) — In the most seismic shift by a Hollywood studio yet during the pandemic, Warner Bros. Pictures on Thursday announced that all of its 2021 film slate — including a new “Matrix” movie, “Godzilla vs. Kong” and the Lin-Manuel Miranda adaptation “In the Heights” — will stream on HBO Max at the same time they play in theaters."

    https://apnews.com/article/movies-coronavirus-pandemic-lin-manuel-miranda-92b80a6304dda71db50a84aa064a4378

    This seems like a social experiment, tbh. Why not? I think they want to see how the film performs via digital streaming. If people don't care and simply want to watch from home, you can kiss the megaplexes goodbye. Cinemas will still exist, but only for the biggest releases.
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Come to think of it, EON probably won’t want Bond coming out in the same month as MI. I didn’t realize MI was coming out in November.

    Brace yourselves! If Bond doesn’t arrive in April, it’ll be 2022.

    No. I think we'll see a return to normalcy in May/June. If NTTD is released in theaters, it will be pushed back to summer. I don't think MGM/EON can delay all the way to next November. No way.
  • TripAces wrote: »
    If NTTD is released in theaters, it will be pushed back to summer.
    Why would it get pushed back for a 5th time? Vaccinations in the US, UK and the EU start THIS month.
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    This film will come kicking and screaming unto theatres. But don’t be surprised if this is the very last one. The next Bond film will be available on a streaming device.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    If NTTD is released in theaters, it will be pushed back to summer.
    Why would it get pushed back for a 5th time? Vaccinations in the US, UK and the EU start THIS month.

    I am hopeful it won't be. I am just saying that if it is, it wouldn't be all the way to November.

    Though vaccinations start this month, I have read that it won't be until early summer until vaccination is wide spread. Fingers crossed that vaccinations get out fast enough that some return to normalcy happens by April.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
    edited December 2020 Posts: 506
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    If NTTD is released in theaters, it will be pushed back to summer.
    Why would it get pushed back for a 5th time? Vaccinations in the US, UK and the EU start THIS month.

    Because not everyone will get a vaccine right away. Most countries are giving priorities to health care workers, people in care homes and elderly people. Those are not your average cinema goers. By April, not many people will be vaccinated already. Experts are saying it will take a long time to get everyone vaccinated. To give an example, here in Belgium, they hope to have 45% of the population vaccinated by the summer, you need at least 70% for group immunity and to have no measures at all. Make no mistake: most measures will still be safely in place come April.
    The question remains: will they bring NTTD to theaters with most measurements still in place, or not?
  • Posts: 11,616
    I think Eon are waiting to see how WW84 fares before making any more major decisions.
    I hear several Bond fans saying they'd prefer a November 2022 delay, just so we'd get a 60th anniversary film. I don't agree at all with that idea .That's just under 2 years from now. Cubby could have gotten another Bond film ready by then.
    I think they should stick to April unless the entire world goes on another massive lockdown.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    November 2022 would be too much for me. I really don't care about the 60th anniversary.
  • tqbtqb
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    Okay, so it seems NTTD will be the last primarily theatrical Bond film ever.

    Not sure why you're assuming that lol
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