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    I'm no expert but with the dark clothing and the holster etc, there is an SAS feel about this Bond,
  • Posts: 6,665
    That's as cool as they come.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    With this big standee up in the foyer of my local cinema, I suddenly got the feeling it is right around the corner now.

    That looks amazing. Feels like it's round the corner now
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    With this big standee up in the foyer of my local cinema, I suddenly got the feeling it is right around the corner now.

    I had the same feeling last week. A sudden burst of excitement that almost lost me my place in the queue.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    antovolk wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    There is some very clever imagery going on here in that last shot, a blue collar , "John McClane", sleeves rolled up image that pushes the boundaries a little re the Bond image.

    In terms of him "going it alone",
    , assuming it's the same scene (fair as he is dressed the same , with the same gun, location etc ), then he has lost his jumper and he has lost 007. IMHO, this possibly confirms my guess that she is shot, out of action/dead and he uses the jumper to help stop the bleeding (and give a better view of the watch :-) ) Either that or its "lets split up, you go that way, give me a second, boy, it's hot in here, Ill just take my jumper off"



    Yeah, though I am pretty sure that
    007/Nomi is ultimately alive. In the trailer we get that shot of Bond in the same outfit but a trench coat, as Nomi rolls up to him in her Aston. Seems like near the end of the film if I'm honest.

    I guess we can figure out where this is going order wise - Nomi and Bond infiltrate the base, then Bond splits with her and meets Safin, at some point there loses the jumper and escapes the lair, meets up with Madeleine (possibly captured?) leading to the big Toyota/Land Rover chase

    I'm pretty confident the Toyota chase happens before the confrontation with Safin in his base. Bond fails to protect Swann and the kid from the baddies and they're kidnapped (shot of Bond looking worried at the helicopter seems a strong indication). Nomi comes by (glasses scene in the Superleggera) and they team up to break in Safin's base. Bond wears a sand cardigan in the forest chase. He then puts on the navy jumper and then loses it after the confrontation with Safin seen in the trailer. I believe Nomi goes for Madeleine and the kid and Bond goes for Safin. In all honesty I don't believe Nomi will die and perhaps she will successfully save the two of them (scenes shot at the black beach in Maratea). Swann seemed out of her mind in those scenes, she tries to speak with a transmitter, maybe they believe Bond is dead after blowing up the base.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Univex wrote: »
    I hate teams. Bond is about a lone wolf against a maniacal figure or a group or even the entire world. Bond is not about tag teams, MI teams, buddy ensembles, scooby gangs, ...

    Isn't that how the end of YOLT, Thunderball, TSWLM, MR etc. etc. work? All of those big battle endings have him teaming up with loads of people.
    patb wrote: »
    I'm no expert but with the dark clothing and the holster etc, there is an SAS feel about this Bond,

    Well he was apparently in the SBS :)
  • I recently caught Thunderball, and realized that Connery's Bond is not quite the lone wolf as the character is usually interpreted. In fact, looking at his films, he becomes more jovial in his interactions and has a great rapport and chemistry with almost everyone he works with (the various Felixes, Kerim, Paula, Tanaka, Aki, Willard Whyte, even Klaus from G Section). There was quite a lot of teamwork in those early films, albeit without M and Moneypenny being in the field.
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    I recently caught Thunderball, and realized that Connery's Bond is not quite the lone wolf as the character is usually interpreted. In fact, looking at his films, he becomes more jovial in his interactions and has a great rapport and chemistry with almost everyone he works with (the various Felixes, Kerim, Paula, Tanaka, Aki, Willard Whyte, even Klaus from G Section). There was quite a lot of teamwork in those early films, albeit without M and Moneypenny being in the field.

    Team work with his contacts, of course, that’s what espionage is all about. Team Mi6 is another matter. In fact, most people that work with Bond end up dead one way pr another. A good babysitter he is not. Nor the most attentive team player.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.
  • edited January 2020 Posts: 6,665
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Yeah, I think something like Bond being briefed by Mi6....and we don't see Mi6 again till the film's end, which would have worked better, if Craig's Bond were standalone films....Mission-based adventures, like Craig's Bond trailing an international assassin that leads him to a big & ultra-poweful international criminal organisation....and he's isolated, but has his wits & a few Gadgets to cope with proper femme fatales, Henchmen and the Villian. But the Craig films are all about linking or connecting this or that from his previous movies....so I don't know how Craig's Bond can be a sort of loner, when he has to connect with something from his past. Of course his Bonds films are international, but at times, they don't feel it, coz he's always in contact with Mi6....unlike the Bonds before him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 14,861
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Not interested in getting personal, sorry. If the issue is which organisation they work for then sure, it is different: one is MI6 one isn’t. I don’t really notice it having an impact on anything myself- it’s just detail. Being a ‘lone wolf’ to me implies he works alone: not that he works alone except with people who aren’t in a particular organisation- it’s kind of small print. Even in Dr No he had MI6 (well, MI7! :) ) contacts and got equipment delivered in the field: it doesn’t matter to me.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    Bond 26 needs to be Standalone though.
  • 00Dalton700Dalton7 Portsmouth
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    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 14,861
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    I thought that they did that rather well in CR by moving it to Montenegro. They made it feel like a dodgy and dangerous place very effectively. If it had stayed northern France it wouldn’t have worked! :)

    But then wasn’t Mathis MI6 in the movie? I can’t remember. I guess if he was then it would be bad..?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Univex wrote: »
    I hate teams. Bond is about a lone wolf against a maniacal figure or a group or even the entire world. Bond is not about tag teams, MI teams, buddy ensembles, scooby gangs, ...

    But...ok, the story will speak for itself, maybe it'll make sense, maybe that's what Bond is all about now, earpieces, team work, team Mi6, ...blah blah.

    Nah, I just don't like it. The only time it really served a narrative purpose that I could get behind of, was in TLD, in the beginning. And maybe in GE. But whenever Bond gets together with a fellow agent, I just skip it.

    And yes, of course if Nomi were a man, I'd be saying the exact same thing. Even more so, in fact. Because her being a Bond girl (sorry, eh eh, woman), saves it a bit. But this several 00s in the game just doesn't fit within the mythos. They were supposed to be unseen and only heard about. That was part of the mystique.

    My two cents nagging, this, that's all.

    For Your Eyes Only? On Her Majesty’s Secret Service? Thunderball?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Isn’t Kerim Bay head of station for MI6? And Captain Nash of course (had he survived! :) ).
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    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    Precisely. Now I know why I love it so much ;)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    I thought that they did that rather well in CR by moving it to Montenegro. They made it feel like a dodgy and dangerous place very effectively. If it had stayed northern France it wouldn’t have worked! :)

    But then wasn’t Mathis MI6 in the movie? I can’t remember. I guess if he was then it would be bad..?

    I assumed he was Deuxième like in the novels, his contact in Montenegro.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 14,861
    mtm wrote: »
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    I thought that they did that rather well in CR by moving it to Montenegro. They made it feel like a dodgy and dangerous place very effectively. If it had stayed northern France it wouldn’t have worked! :)

    But then wasn’t Mathis MI6 in the movie? I can’t remember. I guess if he was then it would be bad..?

    I assumed he was Deuxième like in the novels, his contact in Montenegro.

    The novel is set in France though. Looking at the Bond wiki he appears to be MI6. So all scenes with him (and he’s in QoS ;) even if he’d left by then- Fields is MI6 though and she helps Bond) are bad, as is pretty much all of FRWL because Kerim Bay and all of his sons are MI6. Shame, I think FRWL is brilliant.

    Maybe it’s best just to take it as it comes and not to try to have distinct rules about ‘x is bad’ because there are always too many exceptions to make those make any sense. Bond working with Nomi might be great, much like it was with Kerim Bay or Mathis.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,343
    Univex wrote: »
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    Precisely. Now I know why I love it so much ;)

    Anyway even in QoS Bond teamed up. In the end he goes for Greene while Camille goes for Medrano. I believe in NTTD we will see something similar: Bond and Nomi team up breaking together inside Safin’s base and then split up for two different missions: Bond goes for Safin while Nomi rescue Swann and the mysterious kid.

    This is Craig’s last. He will be front and center of his final mission. Nomi will just be a sparring partner and I truly believe they will spend quite a few time actually together in that base.

    If the “problem” is teaming up, here it seems far more Bondian than the last two. Let’s face the truth: in SF Bond teamed up with two old, uhm, retiree. In SP there was even all the Gang in the field.
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  • 00Dalton700Dalton7 Portsmouth
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    Precisely. Now I know why I love it so much ;)

    Anyway even in QoS Bond teamed up. In the end he goes for Greene while Camille goes for Medrano. I believe in NTTD we will see something similar: Bond and Nomi team up breaking together inside Safin’s base and then split up for two different missions: Bond goes for Safin while Nomi rescue Swann and the mysterious kid.

    This is Craig’s last. He will be front and center of his final mission. Nomi will just be a sparring partner and I truly believe they will spend quite a few time actually together in that base.

    If the “problem” is teaming up, here it seems far more Bondian than the last two. Let’s face the truth: in SF Bond teamed up with two old, uhm, retiree. In SP there was even all the Gang in the field.

    I don’t think team ups are an issue but I do think QOS is the most successful in making the world a dangerous place.

    Yes Bond and Camille team up but she isn’t an agent. Just a kindred soul looking for her own “measure of comfort”.

    Yes Fields arrives to bring in Bond, Mathis supports him. But there’s never any scenes with Bond communicating with home base via ear piece zapping any tension from the proceedings ala SPECTRE and the car “chase”.

    Casino rightly so manages to find a very delicate balance between the danger and the support from others involved in bringing LeChiffre down. But in that film Bond has many assets to hand including extra funds as support.

    QOS is literally BOND location hoping aside from the search of Ronson’s flat in London.

    It’s the Temple of Doom of Craig Bond films.

    I think NO TIME TO DIE is aiming to find the balance from CR. But certain things in the trailer look closer to the BOND Craig was shaping up to be pre SKYFALL.

    It looks very much cut from the same wonderful “cloth” that CR and QOS were cut from and I for one cannot wait to see Craig off in style and danger!
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    @TripAces yeah that is a good point mate.
    I just wish they didn't keep showing us him teamed up with people throughout the film, which seems to be the case at the moment, Madeline, Felix, Moneypenny and him go to see Q together, then Nomi and Bond raid Safin's lair. It just feels very team orientated at the moment.
    But listen that's only a slight concern and ultimately it'll be judged on the finished product, not the promo pictures.

    I could imagine that it has to do with the thing that when Bond invetsigated together with Felix in the old films, it always gave an impression of two buddies hanging out together, having a good time. In recent years this approach seems to be a crime.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 14,861
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't really get the difference, I must admit. Team working with Felix/team working with Nomi... seems much the same to me.

    Well if eating at home is the same as eating in a restaurant, you’re right, there’s no difference.

    M must be the entity that fully trusts his agent to conduct his work, Q, the major, is the armourer and quartermaster, who gives Bond what he needs for his job. Moneypenny is M’s secretary. Felix Leiter is a CIA operative, a senior agent of a foreign intelligence service. How do you reckon Bonds interaction with all of these is the same? But I know better to discuss these things with you, dear @mtm . You’ll find a way to prove me wrong ;)

    Thing is, that Nolan trend of revealing someone to be someone else known to cannon, robin being the most parallel example to Moneypenny, put us in a situation where the staff takes front row and works with Bond via earpieces, and that does not convey the sense of danger and escapism. I know we live in times of connection and communication, but isn’t the point of these adventures to go on an adventure to a remote place with no communications and none but Bond against all the odds? Did present times and globalisation kill that sense of adventure? Good questions, I reckon.

    And precisely the reason why QOS is the best Craig film for that aspect of the character, the escapism, the exotic locations being far away from “home base”. Bond relying solely on his wits and instincts.

    Precisely. Now I know why I love it so much ;)

    Anyway even in QoS Bond teamed up. In the end he goes for Greene while Camille goes for Medrano. I believe in NTTD we will see something similar: Bond and Nomi team up breaking together inside Safin’s base and then split up for two different missions: Bond goes for Safin while Nomi rescue Swann and the mysterious kid.

    This is Craig’s last. He will be front and center of his final mission. Nomi will just be a sparring partner and I truly believe they will spend quite a few time actually together in that base.

    If the “problem” is teaming up, here it seems far more Bondian than the last two. Let’s face the truth: in SF Bond teamed up with two old, uhm, retiree. In SP there was even all the Gang in the field.

    I don’t think team ups are an issue but I do think QOS is the most successful in making the world a dangerous place.

    Yes Bond and Camille team up but she isn’t an agent. Just a kindred soul looking for her own “measure of comfort”.

    Yes Fields arrives to bring in Bond, Mathis supports him. But there’s never any scenes with Bond communicating with home base via ear piece zapping any tension from the proceedings ala SPECTRE and the car “chase”.

    Casino rightly so manages to find a very delicate balance between the danger and the support from others involved in bringing LeChiffre down. But in that film Bond has many assets to hand including extra funds as support.
    But then of course it only does that by Bond effectively going rogue, which many fans can and do complain about being something they can’t bear- so you can’t please everyone that way. Before that he’s never off the phone to M telling her how he’s getting on, and then she even turns up in person to see him later on. Twice! Plus Felix gives him a hand too.
  • 00Dalton700Dalton7 Portsmouth
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    I guess it’s less the minutia of each films team ups/Bond going rogue/Bond and the Scooby gang and more the handling that has the effect on how dangerous and adventurous things appear in each film which is down to the films direction, editing and score.
  • RC7RC7
    edited January 2020 Posts: 10,512
    I’m no ‘leftie’ but my patience is being tested with the Nomi comments. Wait to see the movie for f*** sake. It’s getting tedious.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I finally just watched the EW coffee table vid: it is funny how they pointedly refer to Nomi as ‘a double O agent’- I know there’s little doubt she’s 007 but if she was 004 or something they’d just say it (like Trevelyn was called 006 in all of the publicity for GE): she’s absolutely 007! :D

    The stuff about Safin wanting to fix one of humanity’s biggest problems is an interesting one: there aren’t many villains like that. Maybe Drax and Stromberg but that’s about it..?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2020 Posts: 7,518
    mtm wrote: »
    I finally just watched the EW coffee table vid: it is funny how they pointedly refer to Nomi as ‘a double O agent’- I know there’s little doubt she’s 007 but if she was 004 or something they’d just say it (like Trevelyn was called 006 in all of the publicity for GE): she’s absolutely 007! :D

    The stuff about Safin wanting to fix one of humanity’s biggest problems is an interesting one: there aren’t many villains like that. Maybe Drax and Stromberg but that’s about it..?

    Could be a Thanos thing; lowering the burden on Earth's finite resources by drastically reducing the number of those relying on them maybe? I know there are other examples of this but Thanos is the only one I can think of right now.
    EDIT: Kingsman The Secret Service was about this as well IIRC (the graphic novel, anyways).
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