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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    81 points for me and a green arrow back up to 39K, though two weeks in a row I Captained Fernandes and both times I should have used my triple Captain Chip.

    I have to get Greenwood in now so Rashford out and may take a hit Son to Salah or likely Mané.

    Great score! I see there are some really good scores around, both in our league or elsewhere. It's not every gameweek where so many highly owned players delivers.


    I've done Jiménez > Vardy, as an early move. Might do a -4, but I've not decided yet. I think I have to take a hit next GW if not before this weekend's deadline.

    Ideally I would have gone Jimenez to Greenwood, though already having three United players stopped that, hopefully Jimenez will do something soon. Martial, Greenwood and Fernandes are the main attackers, Rashford is still finding his form though noticeably playing a more playmaker role.

    Still undecided whether to go Son to Salah or Mane, If Salah is chasing the golden boot surely he will be demanding to start?
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    81 points for me and a green arrow back up to 39K, though two weeks in a row I Captained Fernandes and both times I should have used my triple Captain Chip.

    I have to get Greenwood in now so Rashford out and may take a hit Son to Salah or likely Mané.

    Great score! I see there are some really good scores around, both in our league or elsewhere. It's not every gameweek where so many highly owned players delivers.


    I've done Jiménez > Vardy, as an early move. Might do a -4, but I've not decided yet. I think I have to take a hit next GW if not before this weekend's deadline.

    Ideally I would have gone Jimenez to Greenwood, though already having three United players stopped that, hopefully Jimenez will do something soon. Martial, Greenwood and Fernandes are the main attackers, Rashford is still finding his form though noticeably playing a more playmaker role.

    Still undecided whether to go Son to Salah or Mane, If Salah is chasing the golden boot surely he will be demanding to start?

    That's what I'm fearing. I might be looking to move on Rashford soon, and shift things around before the season ends.

    I guess Salah will be desperate to start. Some FPL managers speculate he will get rested for this game, as Mané was rested the previous game (to come on n second half). But it's really no way of telling. Klopp might have had other reasons for benching Mané. That being said, if Salah is rested, he can still come on in the second half and do something.
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    Yet another gameweek is over (they're coming so fast now!), and we have another gameweek winner! Our gameweek 33+ winner is MEJICO POWA – congratulations! =D>


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    Gameweek winners:

    GW 1: George’sRetrorockets
    GW 2: DICKLESS TOWN
    GW 3: Benny’s Blues
    GW 4: Benny’s Blues
    GW 5: Anotherwastedcorner
    GW 6: Anfield FC
    GW 7: George’sRetrorockets
    GW 8: 11 FishFingers
    GW 9: LVLA Skopje 05 / EMRE CAN Fan
    GW 10: EMRE CAN Fan
    GW 11: Dinamo Skruknott
    GW 12: Team Extreme
    GW 13: EMRE CAN Fan
    GW 14: DICKLESS TOWN
    GW 15: MysticWarlordsOfKa’a
    GW 16: Team Extreme
    GW 17: Anfield FC
    GW 18: Overload
    GW 19: Dinamo Skruknott
    GW 20: bobby’sfashionsense
    GW 21: bobby’sfashionsense
    GW 22: Team Extreme
    GW 23: DICKLESS TOWN
    GW 24: LVLA Skopje 05
    GW 25: Anfield FC / Team Extreme
    GW 26: Manchester United
    GW 27: DICKLESS TOWN
    GW 28: bobby’sfashionsense
    GW 29: Overload
    GW 30+: bobby’sfashionsense
    GW 31+: LVLA Skopje 05
    GW 32+: Dinamo Skruknott
    GW 33+: Team Extreme
    GW 34+: MEJICO POWA
    League table standings:

    Team Extreme: GW 81 – TOT 2069
    Dinamo Skruknott: GW 79 – TOT 2011
    11FishFingers: GW 77 – TOT 1968
    LVLA Skopje 05: GW 61 – TOT 1947
    Anfield FC: GW 84 – TOT 1896
    Anotherwastedcorner: GW 71 – TOT 1850
    AFC Fritzson: GW 57 – TOT 1844
    MysticWarlordsOfKa’a: GW 80 – TOT 1832
    DICKLESS TOWN: GW 58 – TOT 1803
    bliblikadek: GW 77 – TOT 1797
    EMRE CAN Fan: GW 56 – TOT 1795
    Overload: GW 57 – TOT 1789
    bobby’sfashionsense: GW 86 – TOT 1786
    MEJICO POWA: GW 88 – TOT 1757
    Flitwick Flyers: GW 43 – TOT 1695
    Benny’sBlues: GW 83 – TOT 1678
    GoldyTheRef: GW 58 – TOT 1653
    George’sRetroRockets: GW 41 – TOT 1586
    Manchester United: GW 61 – TOT 1365
    ______

    Remember the deadline 11:30 UK time, and have your teams ready!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    Congratulations MEJICO POWA

    A few minutes to deadline, do I get Salah in tik tok tik tok
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2020 Posts: 15,686
    Thanks @Fire_and_Ice_Returns and @Torgeirtrap !

    My team for Gameweek 35+:

    Transfers made:

    Wan-Bissaka --> Alexander-Arnold
    Jimenez --> Greenwood (-4 points)

    Guaita
    Alexander-Arnold, Jonny, Ritchie
    Fernandes (C), De Bruyne, Foden, Martial, Willian
    Aubameyang, Greenwood.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    My team (-4)...

    Henderson
    TAA, Egan, Coady
    Salah (C), KDB, Martial, Fernandes
    Ings, Jiminez, Greenwood

    I hit triple captain on Salah at the death though think I missed it.
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    Congratulations MEJICO POWA

    A few minutes to deadline, do I get Salah in tik tok tik tok

    Did you?
    Thanks @Fire_and_Ice_Returns and @Torgeirtrap !

    My team for Gameweek 35+:

    Transfers made:

    Wan-Bissaka --> Alexander-Arnold
    Jimenez --> Greenwood (-4 points)

    Guaita
    Alexander-Arnold, Jonny, Ritchie
    Fernandes (C), De Bruyne, Foden, Martial, Willian
    Aubameyang, Greenwood.

    Really want that midfield you got there, @DaltonCraig007! I'm following you in captaining Fernandez:

    Foster
    Aexander-Arnold – Doherty – Fernández
    Mahrez – De Bruyne – Fernandes (C) – Salah
    Vardy – Greenwood – Rashford
    (McCarthy – Aurier – Stephens – Hayden)
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    My team (-4)...

    Henderson
    TAA, Egan, Coady
    Salah (C), KDB, Martial, Fernandes
    Ings, Jiminez, Greenwood

    I hit triple captain on Salah at the death though think I missed it.

    Oooh, that's an interesting move! Golden boot form to pay off, perhaps?
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    My team (-4)...

    Henderson
    TAA, Egan, Coady
    Salah (C), KDB, Martial, Fernandes
    Ings, Jiminez, Greenwood

    I hit triple captain on Salah at the death though think I missed it.

    Oooh, that's an interesting move! Golden boot form to pay off, perhaps?

    Heard Salah has a good chance of playing though admittedly a risk. I got rid of Son, Spurs are dreadful I don't see them doing anything vs Arsenal at home in fact I even expect Red cards there. Salah at home to Burnley I see goals there for sure.

    Taking one hit right now I think is no big deal as each week I am having a minimum of three players not delivering and had a few 0 point hauls lol

    I think United will beat Southampton though a tight game.
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    My team (-4)...

    Henderson
    TAA, Egan, Coady
    Salah (C), KDB, Martial, Fernandes
    Ings, Jiminez, Greenwood

    I hit triple captain on Salah at the death though think I missed it.

    Oooh, that's an interesting move! Golden boot form to pay off, perhaps?

    Heard Salah has a good chance of playing though admittedly a risk. I got rid of Son, Spurs are dreadful I don't see them doing anything vs Arsenal at home in fact I even expect Red cards there. Salah at home to Burnley I see goals there for sure.

    Taking one hit right now I think is no big deal as each week I am having a minimum of three players not delivering and had a few 0 point hauls lol

    I think United will beat Southampton though a tight game.

    The North London derby is a card magnet of a game, that's for sure. I didn't dare play Aurier for that reason – but I expect Sp*rs to beat Arsenal comfortably.

    It's strange talking about Salah as a risk, but I guess this gameweek might be slightly risky, as Mané was rested last game. Personally, I think Salah will start, and I think he's a great captaincy option this gameweek.

    The game vs Southhampton might be a bit tricky, as Hasenhüttl has done well with that team after the Leicester defeat earlier in the season. But given the form United are in, it's difficult not to captain Fernandes. As for hits, I think it's a bit 50/50 if it's a clever thing to do at this point; there are few games left, so you're gambling that anyone you bring in will deliver in just a handful of games. On the flipside, unless you're protecting rank, you might have to take those gambles. I certainly will in the upcoming gameweeks.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    :)) Triple Captain did not process nor did Salah as Captain, Fernandes still my Captain though to be honest relieved as it was a last minute panic move.

    Maybe the FPL Gods intervened to save my season [-O<
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 17,241
    :)) Triple Captain did not process nor did Salah as Captain, Fernandes still my Captain though to be honest relieved as it was a last minute panic move.

    Could work out well! You, me and @DaltonCraig007 will be crossing our fingers for Fernandes to deliver!

    _____

    On the subject of captaincies, here are the gameweek 35+ captaicy picks!
    Fernandes: 5
    Salah: 4
    De Bruyne: 2
    Mané: 2
    Kane: 1
    Sterling: 1
    van Dijk: 1
    Martial: 1
    Aubameyang: 1
    Vardy: 1

    Fernandes is the most captained player in our league this gameweek, with five managers giving him the armband. Not surprising, given United and Fernandes' form. Salah is as ever a popular option, and is closest, with four managers captaining the Liverpool man.

    Good luck everybody!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    :)) Triple Captain did not process nor did Salah as Captain, Fernandes still my Captain though to be honest relieved as it was a last minute panic move.

    Could work out well! You, me and @DaltonCraig007 will be crossing our fingers for Fernandes to deliver!

    _____

    On the subject of captaincies, here are the gameweek 35+ captaicy picks!
    Fernandes: 5
    Salah: 4
    De Bruyne: 2
    Mané: 2
    Kane: 1
    Sterling: 1
    van Dijk: 1
    Martial: 1
    Aubameyang: 1
    Vardy: 1

    Fernandes is the most captained player in our league this gameweek, with five managers giving him the armband. Not surprising, given United and Fernandes' form. Salah is as ever a popular option, and is closest, with four managers captaining the Liverpool man.

    Good luck everybody!

    Fernandes being on Penalties certainly helps, I had literally woken up minutes before the deadline and had one of those I must do something mindset, glad I was too late lol
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 17,241
    :)) Triple Captain did not process nor did Salah as Captain, Fernandes still my Captain though to be honest relieved as it was a last minute panic move.

    Could work out well! You, me and @DaltonCraig007 will be crossing our fingers for Fernandes to deliver!

    _____

    On the subject of captaincies, here are the gameweek 35+ captaicy picks!
    Fernandes: 5
    Salah: 4
    De Bruyne: 2
    Mané: 2
    Kane: 1
    Sterling: 1
    van Dijk: 1
    Martial: 1
    Aubameyang: 1
    Vardy: 1

    Fernandes is the most captained player in our league this gameweek, with five managers giving him the armband. Not surprising, given United and Fernandes' form. Salah is as ever a popular option, and is closest, with four managers captaining the Liverpool man.

    Good luck everybody!

    Fernandes being on Penalties certainly helps, I had literally woken up minutes before the deadline and had one of those I must do something mindset, glad I was too late lol

    I know the feeling! Did as little as possible for this gameweek myself, as I felt I could get more potential transfers wrong than right.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    Antonio Hatrick, one of the FPL channels were talking about him yesterday and I dismissed it as I thought West Ham no chance lol
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,686
    @Fire_and_Ice_Returns Antonio scored his 4th goal now!
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    Antonio Hatrick, one of the FPL channels were talking about him yesterday and I dismissed it as I thought West Ham no chance lol

    Almost got Antonio for a hit a couple gameweeks ago…Could have turned my season if I went through with the transfer…
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    Salah starts TAA on bench gr

    Antonio scored 4 :-O

    Working over time so going to miss rest of FPL Day, hopefully when I check later its good news
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    Salah starts TAA on bench gr

    Antonio scored 4 :-O

    Working over time so going to miss rest of FPL Day, hopefully when I check later its good news

    I wonder if Alexander-Arnold will stay on the bench or not. Have Aurier coming on if he does.

    Monster haul for Antonio owners. I just can't find a way to get him now, so I will probably just hope he doesn't continue like that. …Or I could take multiple hits in a desperate move to climb the rankings, of course! Not a good idea perhaps, but when your chasing, you have to do something.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    Sterling Hatrick I considered him though my aversion to Pep roulette cost me. Big bonus SU winning mainly because Chelsea can be leap frogged by United in the top four race.

    Since the restart I just not have been on it, not really made any good decisions.

    Made a double transfers (-4)
    Salah to Sterling
    Cantwell to Antonio

    Two inform players with great home fixtures next, means Jiminez at present is benched.
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    Sterling Hatrick I considered him though my aversion to Pep roulette cost me. Big bonus SU winning mainly because Chelsea can be leap frogged by United in the top four race.

    Since the restart I just not have been on it, not really made any good decisions.

    Made a double transfers (-4)
    Salah to Sterling
    Cantwell to Antonio

    Two inform players with great home fixtures next, means Jiminez at present is benched.

    Went with Mahrez over Sterling a few gamweeks ago, as that allowed me to get Rashford. That's telling on how my decision making has been after the restart…

    Don't know what to do for next gameweek yet, but it's likely it'll be a hit (or two!).
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    Sterling Hatrick I considered him though my aversion to Pep roulette cost me. Big bonus SU winning mainly because Chelsea can be leap frogged by United in the top four race.

    Since the restart I just not have been on it, not really made any good decisions.

    Made a double transfers (-4)
    Salah to Sterling
    Cantwell to Antonio

    Two inform players with great home fixtures next, means Jiminez at present is benched.

    Went with Mahrez over Sterling a few gamweeks ago, as that allowed me to get Rashford. That's telling on how my decision making has been after the restart…

    Don't know what to do for next gameweek yet, but it's likely it'll be a hit (or two!).

    At this stage I am being less cautious and with certain players on form it's detremental not to have them certainty for the next GW. Luckily I have had money in the bank for sometime which made the moves easy. Sterling was rested last GW so surely he will start v Bournemouth

    Edited: Just watched Chelsea lowlights, there defending is god awful.
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    Sterling Hatrick I considered him though my aversion to Pep roulette cost me. Big bonus SU winning mainly because Chelsea can be leap frogged by United in the top four race.

    Since the restart I just not have been on it, not really made any good decisions.

    Made a double transfers (-4)
    Salah to Sterling
    Cantwell to Antonio

    Two inform players with great home fixtures next, means Jiminez at present is benched.

    Went with Mahrez over Sterling a few gamweeks ago, as that allowed me to get Rashford. That's telling on how my decision making has been after the restart…

    Don't know what to do for next gameweek yet, but it's likely it'll be a hit (or two!).

    At this stage I am being less cautious and with certain players on form it's detremental not to have them certainty for the next GW. Luckily I have had money in the bank for sometime which made the moves easy. Sterling was rested last GW so surely he will start v Bournemouth

    Edited: Just watched Chelsea lowlights, there defending is god awful.

    Predicting Pep can be quite risky, but yeah, I would be surprised to see Sterling rested against Bournemouth. I need to take a hit to bring him in though, or take out Salah (who plays Arsenal…)

    Yes, Chelsea were horrible yesterday. I can see plenty of value in attacking assets, but I won't rush to bring in a Chelsea defender.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2020 Posts: 23,108
    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.
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    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.

    Same here. Sterling in particular has pushed me down to 150k-ish. All depends on the players I have left now, but as they're highly owned, I expect I'll be where I'm at now once the gameweek is finished. Already looking towards next GW to try and set my team for the remaining games…
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.

    Same here. Sterling in particular has pushed me down to 150k-ish. All depends on the players I have left now, but as they're highly owned, I expect I'll be where I'm at now once the gameweek is finished. Already looking towards next GW to try and set my team for the remaining games…

    I suspect many have a United double or treble up. I am regreting getting Salah in now (which is now Sterling) that's a - 8 over two GW's that were unnecessary. I get Son scores later lol
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    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.

    Same here. Sterling in particular has pushed me down to 150k-ish. All depends on the players I have left now, but as they're highly owned, I expect I'll be where I'm at now once the gameweek is finished. Already looking towards next GW to try and set my team for the remaining games…

    I suspect many have a United double or treble up. I am regreting getting Salah in now (which is now Sterling) that's a - 8 over two GW's that were unnecessary. I get Son scores later lol

    I think many of the active teams have some form of United cover – probably a triple-up or a double-up. That might affect rank if you don't have it, but if you do, it won't necessarily make much difference (overall rank depending). Many will have captained Fernandes as well.

    I expect Sp*rs to come back to form against Arsenal. Arsenal are too easy to challenge defensively, and Mou knows it. Son/Kane hat-trick incoming!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.

    Same here. Sterling in particular has pushed me down to 150k-ish. All depends on the players I have left now, but as they're highly owned, I expect I'll be where I'm at now once the gameweek is finished. Already looking towards next GW to try and set my team for the remaining games…

    I suspect many have a United double or treble up. I am regreting getting Salah in now (which is now Sterling) that's a - 8 over two GW's that were unnecessary. I get Son scores later lol

    I think many of the active teams have some form of United cover – probably a triple-up or a double-up. That might affect rank if you don't have it, but if you do, it won't necessarily make much difference (overall rank depending). Many will have captained Fernandes as well.

    I expect Sp*rs to come back to form against Arsenal. Arsenal are too easy to challenge defensively, and Mou knows it. Son/Kane hat-trick incoming!

    The problem with Kane when I watched some of the Bournemouth game is he was literally in CDM CB position at times which is ridiculous, watching Spurs is like watching Man United Under Jose, he really is out of touch with the modern game. United players have proved to be much better than Jose claimed now that they have got there confidence back. I was wrong about Ole
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    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.

    Same here. Sterling in particular has pushed me down to 150k-ish. All depends on the players I have left now, but as they're highly owned, I expect I'll be where I'm at now once the gameweek is finished. Already looking towards next GW to try and set my team for the remaining games…

    I suspect many have a United double or treble up. I am regreting getting Salah in now (which is now Sterling) that's a - 8 over two GW's that were unnecessary. I get Son scores later lol

    I think many of the active teams have some form of United cover – probably a triple-up or a double-up. That might affect rank if you don't have it, but if you do, it won't necessarily make much difference (overall rank depending). Many will have captained Fernandes as well.

    I expect Sp*rs to come back to form against Arsenal. Arsenal are too easy to challenge defensively, and Mou knows it. Son/Kane hat-trick incoming!

    The problem with Kane when I watched some of the Bournemouth game is he was literally in CDM CB position at times which is ridiculous, watching Spurs is like watching Man United Under Jose, he really is out of touch with the modern game. United players have proved to be much better than Jose claimed now that they have got there confidence back. I was wrong about Ole

    That's true for those games, but if there's one game for Kane to turn into a Ronaldo like beast, it's this match. No matter their current form, I expect Sp*rs will absolutely destroy Arsenal. If not, I recon they will get a few dodgy pens to settle the game.

    If I was a betting man, I'd put money on a home win.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,108
    Just woke and see Jiminez scored and clean sheet for Coady thankfully, this GW not going to be a high scoring one.

    As things stand I am still in the top 40K not having Antonio or Sterling this week has not hurt my rank.

    Same here. Sterling in particular has pushed me down to 150k-ish. All depends on the players I have left now, but as they're highly owned, I expect I'll be where I'm at now once the gameweek is finished. Already looking towards next GW to try and set my team for the remaining games…

    I suspect many have a United double or treble up. I am regreting getting Salah in now (which is now Sterling) that's a - 8 over two GW's that were unnecessary. I get Son scores later lol

    I think many of the active teams have some form of United cover – probably a triple-up or a double-up. That might affect rank if you don't have it, but if you do, it won't necessarily make much difference (overall rank depending). Many will have captained Fernandes as well.

    I expect Sp*rs to come back to form against Arsenal. Arsenal are too easy to challenge defensively, and Mou knows it. Son/Kane hat-trick incoming!

    The problem with Kane when I watched some of the Bournemouth game is he was literally in CDM CB position at times which is ridiculous, watching Spurs is like watching Man United Under Jose, he really is out of touch with the modern game. United players have proved to be much better than Jose claimed now that they have got there confidence back. I was wrong about Ole

    That's true for those games, but if there's one game for Kane to turn into a Ronaldo like beast, it's this match. No matter their current form, I expect Sp*rs will absolutely destroy Arsenal. If not, I recon they will get a few dodgy pens to settle the game.

    If I was a betting man, I'd put money on a home win.

    I understand the Derby rivalary though with no crowd and Spurs being utter garbage lol I think Arsenal will get a draw at least. A major issue that Spurs have is there defence in too slow, Arsenal can exploit that if Spurs attempt to push forward. Jose will likely defend lol
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