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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Does a films total box office include anniversary screenings, in concert screenings, etc. or is it just it's theatrical run?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,690
    "AstonLotus wrote: »
    Oh no! daltoncraig doesnt like me and im not welcome in HIS thread ! How will i ever sleep at night.Dont worry by all means continue posting links to articles no one bothers to read!

    This is a box office thread. If you are not interested in a box office discussion, you are simply admitting to being a spammer. But we all knew you added nothing to this thread already. So it is quite a bold claim to make that no-one reads my posts given I at least contribute to the topic at hand. You post nothing but endless personal attacks.
  • Jan1985Jan1985
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Does a films total box office include anniversary screenings, in concert screenings, etc. or is it just it's theatrical run?

    For the Studio/Distributor it involves those screenings, of course. Because they get money out of it.
    But most studios don't make those numbers public.

    But Inception for example made $42 million this summer: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Does a films total box office include anniversary screenings, in concert screenings, etc. or is it just it's theatrical run?

    For the Studio/Distributor it involves those screenings, of course. Because they get money out of it.
    But most studios don't make those numbers public.

    But Inception for example made $42 million this summer: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/

    I believe the original Harry Potter film from 2001 finally entered the 1 billion $ club this summer thanks to special re-runs once cinemas started to reopen.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    GeneralGogol wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Billion dollar movies are a thing of the past now.At least for the next few years in my opinion.

    I wonder how strong the impact will be on films' budgets. Whether it's a Marvel CGI fest or a practical effects-driven blockbuster like Bond, M:I or Tenet, tent pole films go usually north of $200 million in production costs. Some (e.g. M:I-7 are already filming with an approved gargantuan budget. Surely, they're relying on a full return-to-normal cinema capacity come 2021-22?

    Those new films you mention are already in production and have their alotted budgets according to their scripts.They cant just suddenly cut the budget mid shoot and lets face it,they are proven franchises.Films that are in early pre production however may face budget cuts given the box office outlook for the near future.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Does a films total box office include anniversary screenings, in concert screenings, etc. or is it just it's theatrical run?

    For the Studio/Distributor it involves those screenings, of course. Because they get money out of it.
    But most studios don't make those numbers public.

    But Inception for example made $42 million this summer: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/

    I believe the original Harry Potter film from 2001 finally entered the 1 billion $ club this summer thanks to special re-runs once cinemas started to reopen.

    Thanks! Will be interesting to see if SP ever makes into the $1B club. And NTTD for that matter.
  • Jan1985Jan1985
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Does a films total box office include anniversary screenings, in concert screenings, etc. or is it just it's theatrical run?

    For the Studio/Distributor it involves those screenings, of course. Because they get money out of it.
    But most studios don't make those numbers public.

    But Inception for example made $42 million this summer: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/

    I believe the original Harry Potter film from 2001 finally entered the 1 billion $ club this summer thanks to special re-runs once cinemas started to reopen.

    Thanks! Will be interesting to see if SP ever makes into the $1B club. And NTTD for that matter.

    Harry Potter made it, because it was released for the first time in China this summer. And it was short of 1 billion anyway.

    Spectre needs more than $100 million to get to $1 billion. And it's not a classic. So there won't be any screenings, that will do that.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Adjusting for inflation will do the job, in a couple of years. XD
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Wonder Woman 1984 set to be delayed to December 2020; Dune set to be delayed to 2021.

    https://deadline.com/2020/09/wonder-woman-1984-release-date-change-2020-november-christmas-1203019735/
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    This doesn't bode well for NTTD at all. Like I guessed a while back, watch them try and move it to March/April of 2021. Damn.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I hope the full commitment to November remains. There's been too many delays already :( I was hoping they'd even move it up! But who knows anymore.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2020 Posts: 40,469
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    With the way the box office has been dropping for Tenet, I definitely don't see it being a big issue for Bond in two months plus.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    With the way the box office has been dropping for Tenet, I definitely don't see it being a big issue for Bond in two months plus.

    If anything, Bond could come forward a week or so to give more room between it and Wonder Woman, maybe.

    Christ, it's all a big game of checkers, isn't it?
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,400
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    With the way the box office has been dropping for Tenet, I definitely don't see it being a big issue for Bond in two months plus.

    If anything, Bond could come forward a week or so to give more room between it and Wonder Woman, maybe.

    Christ, it's all a big game of checkers, isn't it?

    I agree. The Deadline article states:

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    I imagine that Bond will take Black Widow's date and the international release will be bumped to the end of October. This feels likely....

    It's kinda crazy that Wonder Woman is moving again! But I guess at this current rate, Bond will be the next big blockbuster to come out post-Tenet. Which is wild...I'm surprised Eon are taking the punt, especially wit the disastrous news out of the UK this week.

    I'd almost feel sorry for Eon, but they were foolish enough to commit to that 'November' date on the poster and trailer. They should have taken the vaguer 'Only In Cinemas' date that Dune stuck with....oh well.

    I think, at the time of writing, Bond will stay in November 2020. Basically, Bond and Tenet will be the only blockbusters this year in cinemas.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I think Bond will stand his ground and keep the November release date.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    With the way the box office has been dropping for Tenet, I definitely don't see it being a big issue for Bond in two months plus.

    If anything, Bond could come forward a week or so to give more room between it and Wonder Woman, maybe.

    Christ, it's all a big game of checkers, isn't it?

    It really is, sadly, and everything seems rather up in the air until the last minute.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,554
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    With the way the box office has been dropping for Tenet, I definitely don't see it being a big issue for Bond in two months plus.

    I'm not sure the BO numbers for Tenet have dropped. We won't know until this weekend. As @DaltonCraig007 has reminded us, traditionally, BO numbers go down after the first week. But the current circumstances are unprecedented. At the same time, Tenet is not the type of film that will see gains based on word of mouth.

    Some thoughts about this development with W84:

    1. I failed to mention in my earlier posts about seeing Tenet, that ticket prices were 50% off. I think this was the case for all showings in the state. I don't know if this happened elsewhere, but it might be a factor in Tenet's numbers that has not been reported.
    2. L.A., NY, and SF are not opening yet and might not be soon, which is what would move WW84, more than anything else.
    3. EON and MGM are "hoping" that those cities' theaters are open for business in late November. That is being very optimistic, but NYC is more likely than the other two.
    4. The move by WW84 hurts tremendously because it was expected to be another tentpole, creating some momentum for moviegoing during the fall, leading to NTTD. If there are no other major releases between now and NTTD, that could be a huge problem.

    https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tenet-opening-weekend-box-office-wonder-woman-1234762206/
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I personally don't see Tenet faring much better than it already has. I expect some rather big drops. I just don't think anything should be releasing in theaters this year if they hope to earn as much as possible; Mulan had the right idea. Even in the U.S., barely 70 percent of theaters are opened up, and with them practicing social distancing, that means they won't ever get every seat packed. You make some great points there, @TripAces, there's a lot of reason for concern and worry over what might happen. Curious to see if the date ends up sticking or moves at the last second.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,343
    Everything could change in a couple of weeks. Imagine if by November theaters will be closed again in, let’s say, France, Spain and other UE countries. They will further delay 100%, obviously. If theaters won’t close again, hopefully opening in NY and California as well, then it will be November.

    Let’s just hope Black Widow won’t move as well. Theaters need some Marvel Studios magic, paving the way to NTTD.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Disney wont comment, but there are plenty of whispers about Black Widow moving.

    Both WW84 and BW are out before NTTD, and both have been very quiet on the promotional front, which is a telling sign.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I personally don't see Tenet faring much better than it already has. I expect some rather big drops. I just don't think anything should be releasing in theaters this year if they hope to earn as much as possible; Mulan had the right idea. Even in the U.S., barely 70 percent of theaters are opened up, and with them practicing social distancing, that means they won't ever get every seat packed. You make some great points there, @TripAces, there's a lot of reason for concern and worry over what might happen. Curious to see if the date ends up sticking or moves at the last second.

    I don't, either, @Creasy47. We just don't have any data yet to support that. We'll know for sure on Saturday or Sunday.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    I like the idea of WW84 at christmas.Dune doesnt look like a '' fun '' movie for the holiday season but WW84 fits that bill perfectly.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    Don t you think there will be mixed vibes about NTTD as well?
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »

    Don t you think there will be mixed vibes about NTTD as well?

    I think we’re all hoping for Casino Royale / Skyfall-level universal praise aren’t we?
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    edited September 2020 Posts: 972
    You know, if they keep delaying all these movies, they might as well not plan to release any new movies in the foreseeable future. The world isn't what it once was. The box office won't be what it once was. Box office performances will be different now and the performances of Tenet proves that. And further delaying upcoming movies to a later date in the hopes that the pandemic would improve or be over by then is just naivety speaking. This virus isn't going to just disappear overnight or in a couple of months time. It'll be around for at least another couple of years, if we're lucky. So the way I see it, they might as well just release the movies as planned. Because it would be a very very long time before the box office gets to normalcy. The sooner movie studios realise this, the better.

    Here in Singapore, each cinema hall depending on the size of the hall is only allowed 25 to 50 people for each screening, 2 or 3 seats together and spread out across the hall with safe distancing in place. So getting tickets for different timings can be tricky as each screening time will quickly be sold out due to the limited numbers of people allowed in the hall at one time. I'm sure this plays a part in affecting box office earnings as well as some people would be put off by the difficulty of getting tickets due to the limitations in place.

    Here's an example of how it looks for the IMAX screening of Tenet. Red are the blocked seats. White are the available seats and grey being seats that are already booked.

    50325307868_239b60eb2e_b.jpg
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    Don t you think there will be mixed vibes about NTTD as well?

    Anything is possible.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    I have the feeling as well.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    I think NTTD will stick to its date now regardless. It looks like they've fully committed to November. And if Wonder Woman and Tenet move, Bond has more time to himself.

    I really don't see Tenet being too much of an issue for 007, especially now that it's already been out in a lot of places and there's already mixed vibes about it.

    It would be disastrous to move now.

    I think it will keep its date too. With no major releases around that time, pretty much every theater in the country can be used for Bond. The theater that I go to is a 16 screen Regal. You can literally have 10 of those for NTTD. Even with half capacity it'll still be OK. The only thing at this point that will push it back would be another round of mass closings.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Sony won't 'make the mistake' of releasing a $200 million movie until more theaters reopen.

    “What we won’t do is make the mistake of putting a very, very expensive $200 million movie out in the market unless we’re sure that theaters are open and operating at significant capacity,” Vinciquerra said during Bank of America’s 2020 Media, Communications & Entertainment Conference.

    His comments came as Hollywood struggles to get its hands around the recent release of Warner Bros. “Tenet,” which grossed $20 million in its opening weekend in the U.S. (without New York or L.A. theaters showing it). Is that good? Is it what the industry should expect right now for a $200 million film that has been touted as the movie to reignite the movie going crowd?

    https://www.thewrap.com/sony-wont-make-the-mistake-of-releasing-a-200-million-movie-until-more-theaters-reopen/
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