Dr. No versus the field: GoldenEye

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
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    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 11
    DAF: 6
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Title Track: DN (Love the DAF song but nothing beats the Bond theme)
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 14
    DAF - 3

  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,984
    EDIT: Here's another attempt from me.

    Title Track: DAF — Gonna stop giving DN points for just being the Bond theme. I prefer quite a few of the newer renditions of the Bond theme to the one in DN, actually. And DAF's theme song is just exquisite.

    Title Credits: DAF — The visuals of DAF's title sequence, actually related to the film title, are more appealing to me than the random polka dots and dancing figures in DN.

    Main Villain: DN — Gotta give this to Dr No in a landslide. He was built up well throughout the entire film and was genuinely unsettling when you actually saw him. Charles Gray's Blofeld isn't terrible per se, but he's nowhere near as threatening and his repeated deaths, plus the scene with drag, make this an insurmountable battle for him. Dr No is just far more memorable.

    Main Bond Girl: DN — Tiffany Case is one of the worst Bond girls, so this isn't much of a contest either.

    Henchman: DAF — No contest. Wint and Kidd are far more memorable than the Three Blind Mice.

    Overall Plot: DN — DAF is a steaming hot mess, while DN is a classic spy story. Again, no contest.

    Dialogue: DAF — DAF wins on points for the biting, witty lines. "Named after your father, perhaps" and "Tiffany, aren't we showing a bit more cheek than usual, aren't we" are some of my favourites int he Bond mythos. Not that the dialogue in DN is unmemorable by any stretch of the imagination.

    Score: DAF — DN's awkward mix of banging loud tunes doesn't compare to Barry's finesse in DAF.

    Settings: DN — The first truly close contest. DAF makes good use of Vegas, but the rest of the settings are completely forgettable. DN's locations are solid all the way through.

    Action: DAF — DN's a classic but action wasn't one of its fortes, whereas action is one of DAF's redeeming points. It has a better car chase, better fistfight, better stuntwork, etc. so there's really no contest.

    Humour: DAF — I've kind of already given DAF points for dialogue on account of this, but as it's the only one here which actually makes me laugh, it wins. It's not just the dialogue; the slapstick (Bond reversing as the police officer tries to talk to him, Tiffany shooting herself off the oil rig, etc) is for some reason not as cringeworthy in this one than in others, and it actually incites giggles.

    Cinematography: DN — DAF has a couple of good Vegas shots but the rest of it is completely forgettable as I said above. DN

    Benign Bizarre: DAF — The whole movie is so, so weird.

    Suspense: DN — Not much suspense in DAF, imho. In DN there's all the buildup of the big baddie, and that especially good scene with Dent and Dr No.

    Minor Characters: DN — Felix Leiter's better in this one, and Quarrel and other characters (pretty much everyone) is better as well.

    Glamour: DN — The world of DAF is pretty unappealing and never properly constructed. DN is a classic example of good worldbuilding in movies.

    Bond Performance: DN — Connery's in his physical prime in DN and gives an ultra-classy, enviable performance. He looks portly in DAF and is practically phoning it in.

    That amounts to:

    DN - 9
    DAF - 8


    Remarkably close, when I've got DN as a top ten film and DAF as one of the worst. I guess it goes to show that the areas that DAF wins in have much less weighting towards the quality of the film. They mostly just make it entertaining, not good. And in fairness, DN won most of its rounds by a much greater margin than DAF did in its own rounds.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    DAF - 0
  • barryt007barryt007 Throwing Kara 'brain dead' Milovy off the top of a Ferris Wheel in Vienna
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    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 9
    DAF: 8


    Wow that was closer than I thought it would be.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
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    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    DAF - 0

    Even the music score?
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,054
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    DAF - 0

    Even the music score?

    Yep. There's some great source music playing in DN and the original score creates a uniquely unsettling atmosphere. It's kind of creepy and it fits the film perfectly imho. One must not forget that we get the Bond theme for the 1st time here. I don't like the way it's played ad infinitum, but it's THE James Bond theme, so yeah, no problemo.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf England
    edited August 2017 Posts: 3,551
    Title Track: DN (assumed the Bond Theme) - Although I accept that DAF is a great Title Track.
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    DAF - 0
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN


    DAF: 7
    DN: 10
  • Posts: 2,723
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DAF
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN


    DAF: 9
    DN: 8
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN ("Make sure he doesn't get away")
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN


    DAF: 7
    DN: 10

    DAF put up a worthy fight, but it lost the better film.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
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    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DN
    Action: DAF
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DAF
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN


    DAF: 8
    DN: 9

  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,655
    Title Track: DAF (the opening bars of Barry's track alone are exquisite)

    Title Credits: DN (DAF's are really good - this is almost close enough to to be a tie. But I actually really enjoy DN's 60s dots and the dancing shapes melting into three blind mice)

    Main Villain: DN (By a long way. DN is strong enough for me - so he's going to wipe the floor with this incarnation of Blofeld. Say what you want about Waltz - but at least they didn't put him in drag.)

    Main Bond Girl: DN (Honey is too iconic for Tiffany case who gets weaker every scene - take a bow Mankewicz - and I find Jill st John grating.)

    Henchman: DAF (Wint and Kidd are terrific together. Their introduction is striking and I love how they are weaved sparingly throughout the film with their wonderful music cue from Barry accompanying them.)

    Overall Plot: DN (I like DAF's plot until the messy Vegas scenes. There's some thing that just palls for me around this time. And the second half does nothing for me except for Wint and Kidd's demise. DN has a great central mystery.)

    Dialogue: DN (Even though DAF has some good lines I prefer the dark and taut dialogue of DN.)

    Score: DAF (even though it's roughly and randomly placed sometimes - Barry's work here is wonderful - also includes my beloved 007 theme)

    Settings: DN (1962 Jamaica over 1971 Vegas - easily.)

    Action: DAF (wins it for the Franks fight. Still a standout, almost Hitchockian sequence)

    Humour: DN (Connery's banter with Wiseman is excellent. There is an underplayed humour across the film which I appreciate. DAF has a couple of excellent lines and the Klaus Hergaschimer scene as well as the 'I didn't know there was a pool down there' setup are both excellent. This is quite close. But then DAF has too much goofy stuff and Blofeld in drag is a sin.)

    Cinematography: DN (DAF is the first cheap looking Bond film)

    Benign Bizarre: DAF (DAF has this in spades)

    Suspense: DN (DAF has moments of suspense but overall it doesn't sustain it and the final act is almost completely devoid of suspense)

    Minor Characters: DN (although DAF has a plethora of supporting characters once you take Wint and Kidd out the only other characters I like are the gangsters and slumber. The others are irritating in large part. DN has quarrel and a much better Felix. I even like cagey Miss Taro)

    Glamour: DN (DAF is the first bond film that looks cheap and grubby. DN presents an exotic and desirable world.)

    Bond Performance: DN (not. even. close.)

    DN = 12
    DAF = 5


    Considering DAF is in my bottom five Bonds and DN is in my top seven - I think DAF did very well to nab 5 categories here!
  • Any final entries before we get to the Moore years?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
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    Doesn t seem like it.
  • Indeed it does not.

    And after a tough run through the first decade of Bond, Dr. No bounces back with its biggest win to date, by a margin of 221-100-3, taking the games 17-2 over Diamonds are Forever. Now it moves into the Moore years, facing off with 1973's Live and Let Die!

    My scorecard, first things first:

    Title Track: LALD (can't beat Paul McCartney)
    Title Credits: LALD (never a huge fan, but still takes it)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (both are beautiful but shallow, I went with the more iconic one)
    Henchman: DN (Sorry Tee Hee, but Professor Dent takes it)
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD (can't beat the boat chase, and you have to count the gator run somewhere)
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (it's certainly weird, and while it's just the least bit racist, it still edges DN)
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN (it's got the better Felix, and Quarrel blows Rosie and JW out of the water)
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    A stirring 12-5 win for Dr. No as it moves into the Moore years. How will it fare on your scorecards?
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CA
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    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD (funniest Bond film)
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 9
    LALD: 8

    Makes sense, my number 6 and number 7, correspondingly.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Alright lets see how this transpires. I haven't done a 2017 ranking yet for myself, but from my last ranking in 2016... DN was at #9, and LALD was at #5. So this could be a close one.

    Title Track: LALD (McCartney's theme is still played on the radio every day, it is brilliant)
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD (Been a common theme on my comparisons, but I find DN very overrated. Joseph Wiseman is great, but very limited time and the fight scene is so quick it's over before you know it. Kanaga is played great by Kotto)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD (Solitaire easily. Great character, and beautifully played by Seymour. Honey is another aspect of DN that I don't enjoy nearly as much as the general consensus)
    Henchman: LALD (So many Baron, TeeHee, Whisper, Adam. LALD with ease)
    Overall Plot: DN (Both solid, DN a little tighter)
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD (George Martin's funky score fits and in some cases sets the tone of the film perfectly)
    Settings: DN (Jamaica is so wonderfully pictured here)
    Action: LALD (For the boat chase alone, but there is so much more here)
    Humour: LALD (With ease)
    Cinematography: LALD (Love the boat chase from a technical standpoints. The shots from a helicopter showing a bird's eye view of the boats going through the bayou is magical for 1973)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD (One of the biggest Sheriff Pepper fans. Quarrel is great, but Pepper along with a superior Leiter IMO, and Strutter does it)
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: LALD (Made a fresh new Bond for a new generation that stood out from Connery's Bond, which would have been an impossible task for most actors)

    DN: 3
    LALD: 14

    Not close after all. DN by the elements is tough because the series didn't have the elements yet, so at least for my rankings I think DN will struggle vs many of the upcoming entries, even though I might enjoy it more.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CA
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    Yes, Moore is excellent in LALD, one of my top Bond performances. But Connery in DN is my number one.
  • GBFGBF
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    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 7
    LALD: 10
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Station B, Belgium
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    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 9
    LALD: 8
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
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    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters:DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 13
    LALD: 4

  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,054
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 7
    LALD: 10
  • barryt007barryt007 Throwing Kara 'brain dead' Milovy off the top of a Ferris Wheel in Vienna
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    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN : 4
    LALD : 13

    Ow..I didn't expect that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN : 9
    LALD : 8
  • Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: LALD
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN : 7
    LALD : 10

    Interesting as I often have DN above LALD in my ranking
  • Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN : 10
    LALD : 7
  • Posts: 2,723
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN : 9
    LALD : 8
  • NSGWNSGW London
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    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: LALD
    Settings: DN
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 10
    LALD - 7
  • Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Henchman: LALD
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humour: LALD
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 5
    LALD: 12
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