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As far as I am concerned, the House of Lords should be elected, As for the spelling mistake? I was tired after a 16 to 17 hour work day and never realised, as for cherry picking? I agree you cannot do that. Neither side will resolve this situation without some major NEW concessions which as far as I can see is not going to happen. So it is either put up or shut up.
OK, I apologise for mentioning the spelling mistake, and I share your conclusion - while at the same time saying that there's no way the EU is going to budge on its principles. Sad, but inevitable. You can't play the greens if you terminate your membership in a golf club and refuse to obey the rules while playing as a guest.
go back to as recently as June, 2018 and see how the media were covering this, £50 per time!. Remainers criticise the leave campaign but this is a perfect example of the scare stories circulated about the ramifications of leaving.
There were clearly other options being discussed back then but one option dominates the coverage
https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/22/brussels-wants-us-pay-50-every-time-visit-europe-brexit-7650812/
Could not agree more and we are just two regular people who get that outcome. Just a shame politicians do not share the same common sense.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/03/brexit-freight-ferry-firm-appears-all-geared-up-to-deliver-pizzas
MPs voted by 432 votes to 202 to reject the deal, which sets out the terms of Britain's exit from the EU on 29 March.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has now tabled a vote of no confidence in the government, which could trigger a general election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46885828
A thriller of a vote. I salute you all from across the pond, Holland.
'Utter shambles/devoid of plan/waste of time/why bother?!'
I think that sums it up nicely. :P
Let's be honest though, the way Brexit has been handled is appalling on all sides. We may as well just bite the bullet and stay in.
Why?
Because the leavers have chosen tribalism over progress and Farage's mad fearmongering over reason; and because the remainders have chosen sabotage and friction over compliance and the principles of democracy.
By trying to artificially wrench the 21st century back to some pre-WWII "golden ages" that really never were, the Brexit gooroos have done nothing if not given themselves the proverbial finger. But the people have spoken and so Brexit must happen no matter what. These endless debates are now making an obvious mistake even worse, sinking Britain ever deeper in that heap of horse bugger Farage and co have set up for their beloved kingdom.
The country is left politically and economically weaker than before because pride is valued way more than common sense. But I have made peace with that. What I haven't made peace with yet is how things are being handled now. Perhaps we should just tell the Russians and the Chinese to go ahead and proceed without us, because this little domestic (as in European) quarrel may take a while.
Guessing its option 3 then!!!
You've got to give the politicians, those professionals, who have the best interest for their country and people at heart, some serious credit. They do know Jack All and have shown such deep understanding of the matter at hand.
With such a strong defender as protector for England you need nothing to fear.
May's deal is actually what Brexit looks like. And as everyone seems to agree, May's deal is garbage.
So the reality is that Brexit = garbage.
A second referendum would be the sensible way to resolve this. Do people still want to leave now that we know what Brexit actually is, as opposed to the fantasy BS we were sold.
I suspect we will end up leaving though along the lines of May's deal. Which btw is only the end of the beginning of Brexit. After we leave the EU that's when the real negotiations begin - years and years of them.
I know that all Leavers aren't racist idiots but they must be beginning to understand why the 48% see them that way.
No, my principal reason for voting Leave in the first place was to regain parliamentary and legal sovereignty against the backdrop of cases like Factortame. It's high time that the Remain side showed some political maturity in this debate, and didn't always revert to childish name-calling and gross generalisations to get their, by now, rather tired point across.
Considering that almost all of the calls for a second vote are coming from remainers, you would have thought they would be more sensituve and insightful.
May's deal still ties Britain to the jurisdiction of the ECJ - so your argument is moot and @Getafix point remains. The second referendum is the only feasible solution.
You voted for Brexit because you personally had a preconceived idea of what you anticipated the ultimate result to be. Your expectation hasn't materialised and was never truly on the table. Therefore, now we know precisely what "Brexit" actually is - we a democratic nation should make a decision.
A second vote does not undermine democracy - democracy is not a 'moment in time' - it's an ongoing exercise. Just because you voted for the Tories one year, doesn't mean you can't vote for Labour another. True democracy entitles us to change our minds. A People's Vote does not undermine the referendum in 2016, it merely gives us a chance to better articulate our response to genuine proposals being offered by the Government.
This solution is also moot, as there isn't enought time before the March 29th deadline to prepare & stage a second referendum.
Revoking Article 50 does not give more time, it simply cancels Brexit out all together. Once it is revoked, Brexit no longer exists, so a second vote no longer matters. To get more time to negotiate/think/make a second referendum, you'd need a deadline extension.
Could you not revoke it and then do a second referendum? If necessary, you can re-trigger Article 50 and then immediately begin the leave process based on the actual Brexit plan.
We know Article 50 can easily be revoked by the MPs taking a vote, it would be more hazardous to go back to the EU27 and ask for an extension they might not give.They're already said they won't.
By revoking it, there's also the rather charming prospect that we'd be in stalemate for years deciding what should be on the second referendum ballot and then probably never end up leaving. It's kinda perfect.
You can only revoke Article 50 in good faith (i.e. after reflexion, deciding it is better not to leave). Doing so in order to gain more time does not fall under such definition by the EU. So while the UK can revoke Article 50 by itself (thus cancelling Brexit completely), it can't do such thing to gain more time. For this, they need a deadline extension, which isn't up to the UK, but must be unanimously agreed by all the other member states.
So for a second referendum, the UK needs to get all member states to agree on a deadline extension before March 29th (in 71 days). Revoking Article 50 removes all need of a second referendum as Brexit would no longer be existing.
I believe France and Germany said they are 'open' to consider it, but that still leaves another 25 member states to convince, and all within 71 days.