Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • RC7RC7
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Ben Whishaw's "career" has been nowhere so far and it won't go anywhere besides him playing Q. He is just awful and I hope they will get rid of him after Bond 25.
    Whishaw certainly will be willing to play the part as long as he is allowed to.

    One of the most fucking stupid posts of the last year. Whishaw is an exceptional actor.

    I meant he is awful in Skyfall. He may be a very good actor but hasn't appeared in anything noteworthy yet besides Bond.

    If you meant in SF, say that. What you actually said is that his career has gone nowhere and will continue to do so. Just because you haven't seen him in any mainstream movies doesn't mean he's a poor actor. He's the opposite.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/theatre/bakkhai-theatre-review-ben-whishaws-wild-wine-god-thrills-in-brutal-tragedy-10429932.html

    I do not think Whishaw is a poor actor, but I also do not think anyone is stupid. I think Whishaw had a poor character in Skyfall, besides the fantastic introduction with Bond in the gallery. They made Q look stupid, and Whishaw suffered.
    I love his new hipster look, and I still think he pulls off lecturing Bond and the annoyance Q has for Bond rather well.

    Whether his character is poor isn't relevant. I was responding to a post that was concerned purely with the idea of Whishaw as an actor, not Q. Saying his career has been nowhere and is going nowhere is the definition of stupid.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Ben Whishaw's "career" has been nowhere so far and it won't go anywhere besides him playing Q. He is just awful and I hope they will get rid of him after Bond 25.
    Whishaw certainly will be willing to play the part as long as he is allowed to.

    One of the most fucking stupid posts of the last year. Whishaw is an exceptional actor.

    I meant he is awful in Skyfall. He may be a very good actor but hasn't appeared in anything noteworthy yet besides Bond.

    If you meant in SF, say that. What you actually said is that his career has gone nowhere and will continue to do so. Just because you haven't seen him in any mainstream movies doesn't mean he's a poor actor. He's the opposite.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/theatre/bakkhai-theatre-review-ben-whishaws-wild-wine-god-thrills-in-brutal-tragedy-10429932.html

    I do not think Whishaw is a poor actor, but I also do not think anyone is stupid. I think Whishaw had a poor character in Skyfall, besides the fantastic introduction with Bond in the gallery. They made Q look stupid, and Whishaw suffered.
    I love his new hipster look, and I still think he pulls off lecturing Bond and the annoyance Q has for Bond rather well.

    Whether his character is poor isn't relevant. I was responding to a post that was concerned purely with the idea of Whishaw as an actor, not Q. Saying his career has been nowhere and is going nowhere is the definition of stupid.

    Yes but BondJasonBond006 responded to you clarifying he meant he was awful in Skyfall, thus my reply. It would be rather silly to think Ben Whishaw managed to land the role of Q without having a successful career.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Yes but BondJasonBond006 responded to you clarifying he meant he was awful in Skyfall, thus my reply. It would be rather silly to think Ben Whishaw managed to land the role of Q without having a successful career.

    Thanks, I tried to explain it to CR7 but it's no use. I offended him, and he will not forgive me...lol...
  • RC7RC7
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Yes but BondJasonBond006 responded to you clarifying he meant he was awful in Skyfall, thus my reply. It would be rather silly to think Ben Whishaw managed to land the role of Q without having a successful career.

    Thanks, I tried to explain it to CR7 but it's no use. I offended him, and he will not forgive me...lol...

    Megalolz
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 533
    I agree with the lighter tone. I think it would be time after Craig leaves.


    I don't. I would prefer if the films had a mixed tone to them.

    I believe we've seen the last of films where villains are trying to kill M sort of deal which by any means is not a bad thing. How many times can we see that plot?

    That only happened twice - "THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH" and "SKYFALL". What's with the exaggeration?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    DRush76 wrote: »
    I agree with the lighter tone. I think it would be time after Craig leaves.


    I don't. I would prefer if the films had a mixed tone to them.

    Balance is the key. Spectre looks to have a mixed tone.


  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Brosnan fans only wish he had got the material and the opportunity to take risks with the character Craig had.

    It's just sour grapes where our Swiss friend is concerned, staunch Dalton fans are the same, if Dalton had been playing Bond in those films and believe he would have loved to have they would be completely different.

    Craig is a far more confident cinematic actor than both Brosnan and Craig and even with some questionable material he elevates it in a way neither of those could, I don't see any awkward moments in any of his films where as you could make a good list of when both the Irish man and Welsh one look out of place or uncomfortable.

    As for the idea Bond when Craig leaves will revert to Moore/Brosnan type because of the success of the likes of Kingman & MI5, I'm looking forward to seeing Brosnan groupies getting very disappointed.

    Anyone who can't see that the next actor will want more of what Craig got is living in denial, the type of actor that would want that role has now changed. So yes I would say despite showing it possible that someone not called Sean Connery could be Bond like Rog did, Craig is still the most significant actor since Connery because he's shifted the character the most significantly from what it was, Bond is regarded in a way it never was before, the reaction to Skyfall proves that whether you can't stand the sight of it.

    Craig will not be regarded like Brosnan or Dalton he will be different, he set a new bench mark and mark my words the next Bond will not want be in A to B travelogues with no depth like some are clearly crying out for once again. The things is we get only 3 films of this when the previous twenty were for the good part just that, some people don't want change or shake ups just the same old man on a mission and a clothes horse to play the role, which is what we got with Brosnan.

    I'll take a gifted actor like Wishaw over the buffoonery of Cleese's pale version of Q in DAD all the time, I love Fawlty Towers and Basil Fawlty but it has no part in a Bond film which is what dear old John was playing. He's a great comedian and writer and legend but versatile actor no i don't think so. Wishaw in comparison is one of the most gifted young actors we have and has an exciting career ahead of him and I hope he continues to give us more of his Q with Craig and after he's gone if that is possible depending how SP plays out judging on recent comments from one member in the spoiler section.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited August 2015 Posts: 9,021
    Yeah, yeah....

    A: Radiohead is the best thing since sliced bread.
    B: Craig is the saviour of the Bond franchise.
    C: Ben Whishaw is the rising star in Hollywood and UK and we will all be flabbergasted at how he'll play anything to the wall again in Spectre.

    Nice to see how compassionate you are though.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Brosnan's movies are good the way they are, why should EON have taken any risks back then and made them any different.
    GE and TWINE especially are not that different to CR or SF when it comes to style of story, and seriousness.
    SF has a bit more depth, so does CR to some extend, but that's about it.
    QOS is as mindless as DAD is, just totally different in style.

    Every actor has a weaker movie in his repertoire (except Lazenby).
    Every actor has one of the most beloved movies.

    Craig has one truly great movie, one quite good with flaws and one big disappointing movie.
    That just doesn't cut it to already propose he is as good as Connery or even better.
    IF Spectre turns out to be as good as CR or even better, THEN we can start to discuss if Craig actually could be seen as No 2.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe JenaMaloneforBond.comModerator
    edited August 2015 Posts: 12,696
    Sour grapes vs the need for everyone to like Craig as Bond.

    Sour grapes have nothing to do with it? I dislike Craig's Bond because the character he plays doesn't resemble James Bond in any way shape or form.... in my opinion.

    Brosnan was not only more popular, but also financially successful than Dalton (I say this even as a hardcore Dalton/Bond fan. But Brosnan never appealed to me at the time. Yet I can still look at the Brosnan films (yes, all four), and pick out the bits that I like. I suppose this also translates to sour grapes just because?

    I guess the world would end, if just 1 person on this planet didn't like Craig.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Flat Earth Society-now all around the globe
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    The world will end some day, but doubt that will be the reason.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The world will end some day, but doubt that will be the reason.

    The world will end if:

    A: Justin Bieber is doing a Bond theme
    B: Justin Bieber gets cast as Bond
    C: Justin Bieber becomes Batman or a Star Trek Captain.
    D: A comet is hitting earth.

    I truly hope for option D.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe JenaMaloneforBond.comModerator
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    If A to C happened, the collective despair could cause D to occur.
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
    edited August 2015 Posts: 308
    I think the best way to go after Craig is to have at least three new Bond-films with Roger Moore and have John Glen direct them.

    Joking of course. I do agree to go back on stand alone films. Not necessary ligther in tone then SF.
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    Ben Whishaw is a brilliant actor and is a great Q.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    Brosnan fans only wish he had got the material and the opportunity to take risks with the character Craig had.

    It's just sour grapes where our Swiss friend is concerned, staunch Dalton fans are the same, if Dalton had been playing Bond in those films and believe he would have loved to have they would be completely different.

    Craig is a far more confident cinematic actor than both Brosnan and Craig and even with some questionable material he elevates it in a way neither of those could, I don't see any awkward moments in any of his films where as you could make a good list of when both the Irish man and Welsh one look out of place or uncomfortable.

    As for the idea Bond when Craig leaves will revert to Moore/Brosnan type because of the success of the likes of Kingman & MI5, I'm looking forward to seeing Brosnan groupies getting very disappointed.

    Anyone who can't see that the next actor will want more of what Craig got is living in denial, the type of actor that would want that role has now changed. So yes I would say despite showing it possible that someone not called Sean Connery could be Bond like Rog did, Craig is still the most significant actor since Connery because he's shifted the character the most significantly from what it was, Bond is regarded in a way it never was before, the reaction to Skyfall proves that whether you can't stand the sight of it.

    Craig will not be regarded like Brosnan or Dalton he will be different, he set a new bench mark and mark my words the next Bond will not want be in A to B travelogues with no depth like some are clearly crying out for once again. The things is we get only 3 films of this when the previous twenty were for the good part just that, some people don't want change or shake ups just the same old man on a mission and a clothes horse to play the role, which is what we got with Brosnan.

    I'll take a gifted actor like Wishaw over the buffoonery of Cleese's pale version of Q in DAD all the time, I love Fawlty Towers and Basil Fawlty but it has no part in a Bond film which is what dear old John was playing. He's a great comedian and writer and legend but versatile actor no i don't think so. Wishaw in comparison is one of the most gifted young actors we have and has an exciting career ahead of him and I hope he continues to give us more of his Q with Craig and after he's gone if that is possible depending how SP plays out judging on recent comments from one member in the spoiler section.

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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Craig is obviously the most polarising of all Bond actors.
    IMO he is highly overrated, but that will pass once a new actor has made at least two Bond movies.
    Furthermore popularity and success go hand in hand. Without Skyfall's gigantic success we would not even discuss if Craig is as good as Connery or even better.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Craig is obviously the most polarising of all Bond actors.
    IMO he is highly overrated, but that will pass once a new actor has made at least two Bond movies.
    Furthermore popularity and success go hand in hand. Without Skyfall's gigantic success we would not even discuss if Craig is as good as Connery or even better.

    He is certainly polarizing, since he's such an unusual and unconventional pick. Almost art house in a way.

    I agree that time must pass after he retires from the role before we can correctly assess and pass judgement on how his tenure will be seen in the history books. Nevertheless, he has been hugely impactful (irrespective of box office).

    Regarding the last point, I certainly felt that SF, his most financially successful film by far, was also his weakest performance as Bond (relatively speaking, for him). I'm looking forward to SP to see where he goes with the character from here.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    People were already declaring Craig as the best Bond after CR came out. SF merely cemented the Bond series' appeal and it's ability to appeal to an ever growing new audience. Craig's Bond status after SF didn't change much if at all.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    People were already declaring Craig as the best Bond after CR came out.

    Those "people" were the immediate die-hard Craig fans. And exactly that's when they went unbelievable immediately.

    Declaring an actor the best Bond AFTER ONLY ONE MOVIE!!!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Not all of them. Many of the people that were already declaring him the best were the same ones ripping him to pieces prior to CR's release. Furthermore, if people were/are willing to declare him the best after that one movie that's their choice and to be honest, his performance in CR was enough to support such claims.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The movie CR has supported Craig in a big way. Just imagine QOS had been the first one.
    Craig would have been torn apart by the media.

    But I'll agree that Craig did absolutely fine in CR. After all it is my No 4 movie and that is because the movie itself and the actor are marvelous.
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    Craig would still be my favorite of quantum was his first film as i honestly love that movie
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Craig is obviously the most polarising of all Bond actors.


    I don't believe that is even close to true. Moore and Brosnan have a greater number of strong detractors v strong admirers. That became apparent during our Bond Elimination game and on various other comparison threads we've seen (Moore did come in a close second, but the people that disliked him were brutal). We have some new members that are pretty vocal about their dislike for Craig, but among the masses on here he is pretty well-liked, with only a few noted strong dissenters. That is the way it's generally played out since I've been on here anyway.

    True, in forums, the Brosnan haters and the Craig-fans are the loudest, closely followed by the Craig haters.

    But forums like this don't represent reality. If I talk amongst friends or colleagues about Bond I get a completely different picture.

    Craig had strong opposition from the second he was announced as Bond. And he still has.
    That's something that never happened before to that extend. Not even with Dalton and certainly not with Brosnan who was applauded and welcomed and even celebrated by about everyone, except some purists maybe that couldn't live with anyone else than Connery.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't see that. In my day to day life, and in box office/ public reaction, Craig seems more popular than Brosnan ever was. And so far as opposition to Craig when he was announced, that was from fans. Your average human didn't give a shit. And that was pretty much gone after the release of CASINO ROYALE except for some loud hold outs.

    Yes, about anybody I knew didn't think he was the right choice, but after CR's release about anybody I knew thought Craig did very well and was convincing.

    Don't forget it depends on age quite a bit.
    I'm 40 years old and my generation was brought up to the Brosnan movies. My generation loves Brosnan in general.
    Older people might be much more critical of Brosnan and much more fond of Craig as he is a bit more like Connery.
    Very young people naturally like the Craig Bond movies the most. It's logical.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Sounds like too many people are overly sentimental about who was Bond when they were growing up. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. I rank who I think is best and who my favourite is based on what the actor brings to the movies.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Sounds like too many people are overly sentimental about who was Bond when they were growing up. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. I rank who I think is best and who my favourite is based on what the actor brings to the movies.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Sounds like too many people are overly sentimental about who was Bond when they were growing up. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. I rank who I think is best and who my favourite is based on what the actor brings to the movies.

    Could be true.
    My favourite though is Timothy Dalton as I believe he was the Fleming Bond and has the best two first movies of all the actors, by far!
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Craig is obviously the most polarising of all Bond actors.
    IMO he is highly overrated, but that will pass once a new actor has made at least two Bond movies.
    Furthermore popularity and success go hand in hand. Without Skyfall's gigantic success we would not even discuss if Craig is as good as Connery or even better.

    He is certainly polarizing, since he's such an unusual and unconventional pick. Almost art house in a way.

    I agree that time must pass after he retires from the role before we can correctly assess and pass judgement on how his tenure will be seen in the history books. Nevertheless, he has been hugely impactful (irrespective of box office).

    Regarding the last point, I certainly felt that SF, his most financially successful film by far, was also his weakest performance as Bond (relatively speaking, for him). I'm looking forward to SP to see where he goes with the character from here.

    Craig was polarizing when cast. Not anymore: he has been widely accepted. His tenure can truly be judged once it is over, but overall as it stands it has been far more successful than the Brosnan era was overall.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    If I averaged my rankings his first two would about tie for lowest. Everyone has a take.

    That's something I've never done before, interesting:

    My Average Ranking of Each Actor based on their first two Outings

    1. Connery 4.5
    2. Craig 7
    3. Moore 10
    4. Dalton 14.5
    5. Brosnan 15.5

    If I just counted Lazenby's one performance he would be in first place with a 3.

    That is very interesting & somewhat surprising to me @Birdleson. Lazenby was ok, but I'm surprised you would rank him so high on the basis of his first outing compared to Connery, Craig or even Moore's first.

    I agree with your ranking based on the first two films though
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