No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 1,031
    octofinger wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Well, it finally happened. The PC, SJW crowd has its femi-nazi talons in our beloved franchise and it's all over. It's too bad. They ruined Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, and almost got the MCU taken down, and now it's Bond's turn. You can't be a straight white male, can't be masculine, can't be or do anything in opposition to their liberal agenda. Oh well. I can still enjoy the first 24 films in this series for as long as I wish.

    Because they hired a single woman to polish a script already written by a half-dozen men? For the second time in franchise history?

    No, for many, many other reasons. Have you not been paying attention to, I dunno, the entire world around you for the last couple decades? Do you not understand what's happening in the Western culture right now and how frightened studios and filmmakers are in how they might be perceived?
  • Posts: 3,322
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.

    Stop baiting people.

    I want to talk about Bond 25, not your political insecurities. Please take it elsewhere.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited June 2 Posts: 5,528
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

  • Posts: 5,051
    I think everyone should come together and, instead of putting Bond in their own compartment, call out 007 for what he is:

    A hedonist. With all the damn faults that this comes with.

    Ian Fleming was.

    And James Bond is.

    He's a pleasure seeker. He seeks pleasure from danger. From women. From gambling and booze (and, at one time, cigarettes).

    He's addicted to pleasure in whatever form it comes in.

    He's not a woman hater. He's not even, necessarily, a relic. He's a pleasure-seeking hedonist. That's his weakness and his strength (since he derives pleasure from danger, there's a masochist in him that drives the stakes up and up until someone cracks...).

  • edited June 3 Posts: 3,728
    peter wrote: »
    I think everyone should come together and, instead of putting Bond in their own compartment, call out 007 for what he is:

    A hedonist. With all the damn faults that this comes with.

    Ian Fleming was.

    And James Bond is.

    He's a pleasure seeker. He seeks pleasure from danger. From women. From gambling and booze (and, at one time, cigarettes).

    He's addicted to pleasure in whatever form it comes in.

    He's not a woman hater. He's not even, necessarily, a relic. He's a pleasure-seeking hedonist. That's his weakness and his strength (since he derives pleasure from danger, there's a masochist in him that drives the stakes up and up until someone cracks...).

    +1(000), Peter. People are just afraid to use that word - hedonism - nowadays, as if we live in a neo social prude society. When I called Bond a relic, I was referring to him being a product of the post war hedonistic crowd that would vacation at the côte d'azur, detaching themselves of war trauma with every form of pleasure. Characters who, used to the treat of death, found similar motions in racing, sex and other adrenaline pumping methods ;)

    People nowadays are wimps compared to that generation. Put them in the battlefield, and they'll soil themselves and scream for their mommies. Their notion of pleasure is playing videogames, trimming their stylised beards, watching reality (scripted) tv, and...fighting political correct agendas as the castrated sons and daughter of absent parents they are. Sons with no "gods" to kill, projecting their angsts in listed subjects while still adhering to backward dogmas through religion and a poor and idiotic academic medium.

    So, yeah, Bond is a relic. I hope I am as well.
  • Posts: 5,051
    Ah, yes @Univex ... I see your definition of "relic"... And Mr. Bond fits. He loves pushing the engine of his Bentley (and takes beautiful care of it)/Aston; fine and comfortable clothes, food and wine and more.
  • Posts: 3,728
    peter wrote: »
    Ah, yes @Univex ... I see your definition of "relic"... And Mr. Bond fits. He loves pushing the engine of his Bentley (and takes beautiful care of it)/Aston; fine and comfortable clothes, food and wine and more.

    A bit like yours truly. If only I had a Bentley/Aston ;)
  • Posts: 5,051
    If I had a Bentley or Aston, @Univex , my wife would become jealous...
  • Posts: 3,728
    peter wrote: »
    If I had a Bentley or Aston, @Univex , my wife would become jealous...

    Mine would drive it more than I would ;)
  • Posts: 5,051
    Kinky!
  • Posts: 404
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Well, it finally happened. The PC, SJW crowd has its femi-nazi talons in our beloved franchise and it's all over. It's too bad. They ruined Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, and almost got the MCU taken down, and now it's Bond's turn. You can't be a straight white male, can't be masculine, can't be or do anything in opposition to their liberal agenda. Oh well. I can still enjoy the first 24 films in this series for as long as I wish.
    All this "CPC" (Conservative Political Correctness) is getting rather tiresome...

  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld Minnesota USA
    Posts: 2,384
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Well, it finally happened. The PC, SJW crowd has its femi-nazi talons in our beloved franchise and it's all over. It's too bad. They ruined Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, and almost got the MCU taken down, and now it's Bond's turn. You can't be a straight white male, can't be masculine, can't be or do anything in opposition to their liberal agenda. Oh well. I can still enjoy the first 24 films in this series for as long as I wish.
    All this "CPC" (Conservative Political Correctness) is getting rather tiresome...

    This isn't a political thread and that's a warning to both sides.
  • Posts: 5,335
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Green production: How to be sustainable on set
    https://ibc.org/production/green-production-how-to-be-sustainable-on-set/3883.article

    High-profile productions such as Bond 25 are employing sustainability managers to ensure green measures are taken from the ground up.

    Are people on the forum really complaining about this? It might seem like a very PC thing to do, but it might be a benefit to the production. For example, in the qualification test for the incentive scheme from the Norwegian Film Institute – in which a production must score points from both cultural and production criteria – having a production that "has a strategy for sustainable and green recording" will put the film closer to receiving incentives.
    I don´t know if someone complained about this, but if so I couldn´t understand it a bit. Already on the QoS there was a feature that showed how the production Team took over a Village in (I think it was) Haiti, and in Exchange leaving it completely renovated. Such Things are good for People, not just for incentives. We shouldn´t mix up pc crap with really useful Things.

  • Posts: 5,335
    peter wrote: »
    If I had a Bentley or Aston, @Univex , my wife would become jealous...
    And I was sure that "he loves pushing the engine of his Bentley" was meant metaphorically. And what a Beautiful metaphor it would be!

  • Posts: 11,630
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Green production: How to be sustainable on set
    https://ibc.org/production/green-production-how-to-be-sustainable-on-set/3883.article

    High-profile productions such as Bond 25 are employing sustainability managers to ensure green measures are taken from the ground up.

    Are people on the forum really complaining about this? It might seem like a very PC thing to do, but it might be a benefit to the production. For example, in the qualification test for the incentive scheme from the Norwegian Film Institute – in which a production must score points from both cultural and production criteria – having a production that "has a strategy for sustainable and green recording" will put the film closer to receiving incentives.
    I don´t know if someone complained about this, but if so I couldn´t understand it a bit. Already on the QoS there was a feature that showed how the production Team took over a Village in (I think it was) Haiti, and in Exchange leaving it completely renovated. Such Things are good for People, not just for incentives. We shouldn´t mix up pc crap with really useful Things.

    There was a stab at things getting PC after @Red_Snow posted the link, so I felt it was OK to write a little comment on how employing a sustainability manager (that title was new to me, to be honest) might benefit the production too. Of course any measure that benefits people in one way or another should be something any production should strive to achieve. If EON and Bond can be in the forefront for this, it's just a massive positive.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 2,592
    It'd take a moron to believe that caring for the well being of our planet is a PC thing, especially since that regards the production of the movie, not its screenplay. Had they announced that Bond will spend the PTS recycling materials only to give a positive message about the environment, yeah, that would be PC tarnishing the movie, but this is not the case. Again, only an idiot could oppose to the production of the movie being environment-friendly.
  • Posts: 432
    What's a SJM?

  • edited June 3 Posts: 1,031
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

    It has nothing to do with going out of style. The last four films were ages ago when compared to today's political climate. See, this big thing happened in 2016 that made the SJWs lost their minds. This is the last I'm gonna say about it and I'm not baiting, not complaining, just pointing out that Bond will be ruined soon (if not already with this upcoming film) like all the other film franchises out there. The MCU is the latest and the producers have already stated they will make the films more "diverse" and "inclusive."

    With Bond, we already had a female M, a black Felix and MP; soon Bond will be black or female as well. Or gay. It's only a matter of time. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Q comes out in this or the next film since the actor is gay. EON is not above virtue signaling. Can we start an alternate thread about Bond and politics and leave this one for Bond 25 only?
  • Posts: 1,031
    shamanimal wrote: »
    What's a SJM?

    SJW (not M) is a social justice warrior.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Ghost office
    Posts: 34,400
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    What's a SJM?

    SJW (not M) is a social justice warrior.

    Yes, M is definitely not that.
  • Posts: 1,031
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    What's a SJM?

    SJW (not M) is a social justice warrior.

    Yes, M is definitely not that.

    I meant that to be a correction to the previous incorrect acronym "SJM" the person before me wrote. Not the character of M.
  • Posts: 3,322
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

    It has nothing to do with going out of style. The last four films were ages ago when compared to today's political climate. See, this big thing happened in 2016 that made the SJWs lost their minds. This is the last I'm gonna say about it and I'm not baiting, not complaining, just pointing out that Bond will be ruined soon (if not already with this upcoming film) like all the other film franchises out there. The MCU is the latest and the producers have already stated they will make the films more "diverse" and "inclusive."

    With Bond, we already had a female M, a black Felix and MP; soon Bond will be black or female as well. Or gay. It's only a matter of time. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Q comes out in this or the next film since the actor is gay. EON is not above virtue signaling. Can we start an alternate thread about Bond and politics and leave this one for Bond 25 only?

    You're probably going to be devastated when you learn that Craig and Broccoli are Remainers.....

    wolfgangtillmans.jpg

    Everything I have heard about Bond 25 does not sound like 'virtue signalling' or pandering to the left at all.

    PWB's comments are the most revealing here. Bond was created by Ian Fleming in a very different time. Bond as a character has evolved but many of his basic traits remain the same. This doesn't mean Bond 25 can't question that character and his mindset.

    Consider the two examples below:
    1. In CR, we meet a young Bond who openly admits he prefers affairs with married women as it keeps things simple. That's a fairly misogynistic and morally wrong trait. It's something that Vesper immediately notices in him. She challenges him on it. Eventually, both Vesper and him fall in love.
    2. Prior to GE, the Bond character was deemed irrelevant. Instead of giving Bond a full 90's makeup. They decided to drag the character into the era kicking and screaming. His ego was challenged by the fact he was now having to take orders from a woman (something he was not happy with) and even Moneypenny reminded him of sexual harassment laws in the workplace.

    My tip is to just let them make the film and if you think it has some evil liberal agenda then discuss it in April 2020. But regardless of how you are framing your argument, the series has grown growing pains towards becoming more nuanced and less binary for over 30 years now.
  • edited June 3 Posts: 404
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    What's a SJM?

    SJW (not M) is a social justice warrior.
    The opposite of which is “RWNJ” (Right Wing Nut Job).

    They’re even more insufferable.

    And the biggest, whiniest snowflakes of them all.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 2,592
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

    What is not clear about Bond's relationship with Silva?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 3,481
    peter wrote: »
    I think everyone should come together and, instead of putting Bond in their own compartment, call out 007 for what he is:

    A hedonist. With all the damn faults that this comes with.

    Ian Fleming was.

    And James Bond is.

    He's a pleasure seeker. He seeks pleasure from danger. From women. From gambling and booze (and, at one time, cigarettes).

    He's addicted to pleasure in whatever form it comes in.

    He's not a woman hater. He's not even, necessarily, a relic. He's a pleasure-seeking hedonist. That's his weakness and his strength (since he derives pleasure from danger, there's a masochist in him that drives the stakes up and up until someone cracks...).

    As always the voice of sanity my friend, too much of this Bond has been neutered bollocks from the people who don't like this era.

    I also saw someone on Facebook saying Bond has been made too human and Bond isn't human he's an archetype, I think he was but not any more, he's 3 dimensional flesh and blood character as Fleming wrote it.

    I think the human aspect of Bond is unlikely to be gone when the next person comes along, some of our collective are thinking (hoping) we are going to go back to what it was like with Roger and Pierce.

    Whoever takes over while Barbara is in charge, I think that is unlikely.

    While I'm not on the Aidan Turner bandwagon and have a little fun saying he won't get the job, I do realise that there is a possibility he might.

    Although I don't think for one second that Turner is going to want to play Bond not taking into account what DC has bought to the role.

    The tortured soul, the man at odds with his lifestyle and career, the contradiction and flaws. I'd be very surprised if Turner didn't want to explore those if he got the role.

    Some of us have this idea of what they want their Bond to be, they've grafted Turner and whoever onto this and I think they might get a shock when the next Bond arrives.

    There seems to be this idea that it's all going to lighten up and complexity of the character will be gone. Yes we might get the full article next time round and not a return to the beginning of his career.

    Though I just don't see Bond ever going back to how Roger or Pierce played it, the complexity and human aspect is here to stay and any actor that takes it on, will want to explore that.

    There is a reason actors have shown an interest in this role this time round and it's not to play the role as some infallible smart arse who swans around like a millionaire playboy that is for sure.

    Also, if we want talented interesting writers to take on Bond, they won't be interested if all they are given a remit that says we want to take it back to the old days, just Bond on a mission and nothing more, just a plot and some action.

    It's only a very loud and small percentage of the fan base that wants this anyway.
  • ResurrectionResurrection You don't need to be an operative to see the obvious
    Posts: 1,272
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

    It has nothing to do with going out of style. The last four films were ages ago when compared to today's political climate. See, this big thing happened in 2016 that made the SJWs lost their minds. This is the last I'm gonna say about it and I'm not baiting, not complaining, just pointing out that Bond will be ruined soon (if not already with this upcoming film) like all the other film franchises out there. The MCU is the latest and the producers have already stated they will make the films more "diverse" and "inclusive."

    With Bond, we already had a female M, a black Felix and MP; soon Bond will be black or female as well. Or gay. It's only a matter of time. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Q comes out in this or the next film since the actor is gay. EON is not above virtue signaling. Can we start an alternate thread about Bond and politics and leave this one for Bond 25 only?

    You're probably going to be devastated when you learn that Craig and Broccoli are Remainers.....

    wolfgangtillmans.jpg

    Everything I have heard about Bond 25 does not sound like 'virtue signalling' or pandering to the left at all.

    PWB's comments are the most revealing here. Bond was created by Ian Fleming in a very different time. Bond as a character has evolved but many of his basic traits remain the same. This doesn't mean Bond 25 can't question that character and his mindset.

    Consider the two examples below:
    1. In CR, we meet a young Bond who openly admits he prefers affairs with married women as it keeps things simple. That's a fairly misogynistic and morally wrong trait. It's something that Vesper immediately notices in him. She challenges him on it. Eventually, both Vesper and him fall in love.
    2. Prior to GE, the Bond character was deemed irrelevant. Instead of giving Bond a full 90's makeup. They decided to drag the character into the era kicking and screaming. His ego was challenged by the fact he was now having to take orders from a woman (something he was not happy with) and even Moneypenny reminded him of sexual harassment laws in the workplace.

    My tip is to just let them make the film and if you think it has some evil liberal agenda then discuss it in April 2020. But regardless of how you are framing your argument, the series has grown growing pains towards becoming more nuanced and less binary for over 30 years now.

    That's what I have been saying
    Please can we move on now, anything new regarding Norway, anyone?
  • NicNacNicNac Moderator
    Posts: 6,816
    Please leave your thoughts on the politics of Bond out of the Production thread. In fact we try to avoid politics altogether on this Bond forum.
  • edited June 3 Posts: 11,630
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

    It has nothing to do with going out of style. The last four films were ages ago when compared to today's political climate. See, this big thing happened in 2016 that made the SJWs lost their minds. This is the last I'm gonna say about it and I'm not baiting, not complaining, just pointing out that Bond will be ruined soon (if not already with this upcoming film) like all the other film franchises out there. The MCU is the latest and the producers have already stated they will make the films more "diverse" and "inclusive."

    With Bond, we already had a female M, a black Felix and MP; soon Bond will be black or female as well. Or gay. It's only a matter of time. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Q comes out in this or the next film since the actor is gay. EON is not above virtue signaling. Can we start an alternate thread about Bond and politics and leave this one for Bond 25 only?

    You're probably going to be devastated when you learn that Craig and Broccoli are Remainers.....

    wolfgangtillmans.jpg

    Everything I have heard about Bond 25 does not sound like 'virtue signalling' or pandering to the left at all.

    PWB's comments are the most revealing here. Bond was created by Ian Fleming in a very different time. Bond as a character has evolved but many of his basic traits remain the same. This doesn't mean Bond 25 can't question that character and his mindset.

    Consider the two examples below:
    1. In CR, we meet a young Bond who openly admits he prefers affairs with married women as it keeps things simple. That's a fairly misogynistic and morally wrong trait. It's something that Vesper immediately notices in him. She challenges him on it. Eventually, both Vesper and him fall in love.
    2. Prior to GE, the Bond character was deemed irrelevant. Instead of giving Bond a full 90's makeup. They decided to drag the character into the era kicking and screaming. His ego was challenged by the fact he was now having to take orders from a woman (something he was not happy with) and even Moneypenny reminded him of sexual harassment laws in the workplace.

    My tip is to just let them make the film and if you think it has some evil liberal agenda then discuss it in April 2020. But regardless of how you are framing your argument, the series has grown growing pains towards becoming more nuanced and less binary for over 30 years now.

    That's what I have been saying
    Please can we move on now, anything new regarding Norway, anyone?

    An airplane, claimed by a local newspaper to carry equipment for a film shoot on the Atlantic Road, arrived earlier today.
  • ResurrectionResurrection You don't need to be an operative to see the obvious
    edited June 3 Posts: 1,272
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    People can say I'm overreacting all they want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I pray I'm wrong but our franchise will simply be the latest of many that have been taken over and destroyed by PC culture and SJWs.
    I think your fears aren't proven out in the past four films. Bond remains Bond as shown by his philandering in Casino Royale (likes pursuing married women), Quantum of Solace (beds the girl sent to put him on a plane; puts the moves on Camille toward the end and is rejected), Skyfall (has no problem going local with a Turkish dish; doesn't hesitate to go after a victim of the Macao slave trade, relationship to the villain not clear), and Spectre (has a girl on standby in Mexico City; goes after the "grieving widow"; goes after a beautiful woman whose father he assisted in suicide).

    So it's ripe that PC will dance around and confront the Bond character but I'm not seeing him being affected by it. It just plays up the difference while Bond beds women, lives the high life, and kills the bad guys. None of that has gone out of style.

    It has nothing to do with going out of style. The last four films were ages ago when compared to today's political climate. See, this big thing happened in 2016 that made the SJWs lost their minds. This is the last I'm gonna say about it and I'm not baiting, not complaining, just pointing out that Bond will be ruined soon (if not already with this upcoming film) like all the other film franchises out there. The MCU is the latest and the producers have already stated they will make the films more "diverse" and "inclusive."

    With Bond, we already had a female M, a black Felix and MP; soon Bond will be black or female as well. Or gay. It's only a matter of time. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Q comes out in this or the next film since the actor is gay. EON is not above virtue signaling. Can we start an alternate thread about Bond and politics and leave this one for Bond 25 only?

    You're probably going to be devastated when you learn that Craig and Broccoli are Remainers.....

    wolfgangtillmans.jpg

    Everything I have heard about Bond 25 does not sound like 'virtue signalling' or pandering to the left at all.

    PWB's comments are the most revealing here. Bond was created by Ian Fleming in a very different time. Bond as a character has evolved but many of his basic traits remain the same. This doesn't mean Bond 25 can't question that character and his mindset.

    Consider the two examples below:
    1. In CR, we meet a young Bond who openly admits he prefers affairs with married women as it keeps things simple. That's a fairly misogynistic and morally wrong trait. It's something that Vesper immediately notices in him. She challenges him on it. Eventually, both Vesper and him fall in love.
    2. Prior to GE, the Bond character was deemed irrelevant. Instead of giving Bond a full 90's makeup. They decided to drag the character into the era kicking and screaming. His ego was challenged by the fact he was now having to take orders from a woman (something he was not happy with) and even Moneypenny reminded him of sexual harassment laws in the workplace.

    My tip is to just let them make the film and if you think it has some evil liberal agenda then discuss it in April 2020. But regardless of how you are framing your argument, the series has grown growing pains towards becoming more nuanced and less binary for over 30 years now.

    That's what I have been saying
    Please can we move on now, anything new regarding Norway, anyone?

    An airplane, claimed by a local newspaper to carry equipment for a film shoot on the Atlantic Road, arrived earlier today.

    Can't wait for what next 2 days bring into the fold, do we know for sure that it's for bond
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    Any update on a possible title reveal?
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