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  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Gareth007 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I always said having Vesper come back for Craig’s final Bond film as the villain would be emotionally impressive. Not quite sure how they’d ever pull that off, but it would be pretty epic.

    I agree totally. would be challenging though

    You can’t fake a drowning LOL

  • edited March 2019 Posts: 416
    Gareth007 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I always said having Vesper come back for Craig’s final Bond film as the villain would be emotionally impressive. Not quite sure how they’d ever pull that off, but it would be pretty epic.

    I agree totally. would be challenging though

    You can’t fake a drowning LOL

    lol, no silly. I know she is dead. But there's a strong connection in bond 25 possibly. But the director even said in an interview bond 25 GOES FULL CIRCLE, so what do you suggest that means. What links are there in casino what will tie in with bond 25 ? because vesper is the thing that comes to mind, and im sure she will be mentioned or some connection to it.
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/james-bond-25-007-daniel-craig-follow-casino-royale-cary-joji-fukunaga-a8664356.html

    exact words below

    Fukunaga did confirm one rather big point: it’ll bring things full circle for Daniel Craig by continuing the arc first presented in Casino Royale, his first outing as 007.
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm not sure I'd like that. A sudden return of Vesper would feel like lazy screenwriting in my opinion. It may be the cool thing to do in comics and superhero films, but in our current Bond films I much rather prefer Vesper to stay dead. Otherwise, most of Bond's dramatic arc from the previous movies would lose its impact.

    Plus, CR was the last Bond film so far to have completely included original Fleming material in its story. An integral part of the book is Vesper's death. It would feel cheap and wrong to resurrect her now.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 4,619
    Gareth007 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/james-bond-25-007-daniel-craig-follow-casino-royale-cary-joji-fukunaga-a8664356.html

    exact words below

    Fukunaga did confirm one rather big point: it’ll bring things full circle for Daniel Craig by continuing the arc first presented in Casino Royale, his first outing as 007.
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    Meaning Casino Royale was "Bond Begins", and Bond 25 will be "Bond Ends".
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 416
    Gareth007 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/james-bond-25-007-daniel-craig-follow-casino-royale-cary-joji-fukunaga-a8664356.html

    exact words below

    Fukunaga did confirm one rather big point: it’ll bring things full circle for Daniel Craig by continuing the arc first presented in Casino Royale, his first outing as 007.
    Quote
    Meaning Casino Royale was "Bond Begins", and Bond 25 will be "Bond Ends".

    Yes, but isn't he implying it goes full circle. Thats not full circle, it has to end up with a connection to his beginning to be full circle. Thats what I make of it anyway, and im hoping for.


    I dont think vesper would return, NO WAY. She is dead, but some form of link to his first mission or something in Casino is going to be percent in bond 25, if going full circle means that as i think it does. I think it would be a fantastic end to daniel's era if theres some memory of casino in there somewhere. I dont want it to go back over same ground, but just a hint of something would be a nice touch, dont you agree ?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Danny Boyle’s Bond film already had a cast...

    He cast some unknown actors to play Russian villains and the plot was about hacking an election and Bond dying..

    Basically a we hate Donald trump film.

    That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Being an American and hearing about Russia 365 days a year for two years straight is annoying and to think they’d make a Bond movie out of it???

    Thank god they got rid of him.

    Danny Boyle is a B movie director at best. The director we have now is a Netflix guy also.


    We heard rumors of Spielberg directing WTF happened???

    Daniel Craig who has made them over a billion dollars is doing a final Bond film and we will likely not get another one for 5+ years after next year and they have ZERO marketing for this film no “Daniel Craig’s last outing!”

    All they can talk about is “Will Bond be black or a woman next??”

    The world has gone to shit guys.

    They should’ve gotten a WAY better Director this whole project is way over his head.

    That’s like taking a manager at Walmart and making him the CEO, how do you think that would work out?

    I am actually really disappointed in EON! Daniel looks bored in the past two films and I can see why.

    This isn’t an episode of MI5 this is James Bond.....

    Chicken Little is that you?

    Also, SPOOKS (it's proper name) was a pretty good show in its day.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 3,160
    I think this adds up:
    Sebastien Soudais - stunt double, currently in Norway. Height: 5' 8" (1,73 m)
    Sebastien+Soudais+Paranormal+Activity+Marked+AVKcsd0RNuOl.jpg

    Lately stunt double for Riz Ahmed - height: 5' 8" (1,73 m) - in 'Sisters Brothers'

    Riz Ahmed's very good friend is:
    C-192ntWAAAzGrJ.jpg
    ...Rami Malek 5' 9" (1,75 m)
    Gareth007 wrote: »
    some form of link to his first mission or something in Casino is going to be percent in bond 25
    The child on the frozen lake is middle eastern looking. So is Malek. So was Vespers boyfriend who was from Algeria, who got arrested at the end of QoS.

    Then we have Swann and her dad. "I heard so much about you from Vesper" (Mr.White). What secrets did they keep from us in CR? Did Vesper know his daughter?
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Danny Boyle’s Bond film already had a cast...

    He cast some unknown actors to play Russian villains and the plot was about hacking an election and Bond dying..

    Basically a we hate Donald trump film.

    That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Being an American and hearing about Russia 365 days a year for two years straight is annoying and to think they’d make a Bond movie out of it???

    Thank god they got rid of him.

    Danny Boyle is a B movie director at best. The director we have now is a Netflix guy also.


    We heard rumors of Spielberg directing WTF happened???

    Daniel Craig who has made them over a billion dollars is doing a final Bond film and we will likely not get another one for 5+ years after next year and they have ZERO marketing for this film no “Daniel Craig’s last outing!”

    All they can talk about is “Will Bond be black or a woman next??”

    The world has gone to shit guys.

    They should’ve gotten a WAY better Director this whole project is way over his head.

    That’s like taking a manager at Walmart and making him the CEO, how do you think that would work out?

    I am actually really disappointed in EON! Daniel looks bored in the past two films and I can see why.

    This isn’t an episode of MI5 this is James Bond.....

    Chicken Little is that you?

    Also, SPOOKS (it's proper name) was a pretty good show in its day.


    In America it was MI5 lol.

    Either way Skyfall and Spectre felt like an episode from Spooks/MI5 not a Bond film..
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited March 2019 Posts: 1,003
    Zekidk wrote: »
    I think this adds up:
    Sebastien Soudais - stunt double, currently in Norway. Height: 5' 8" (1,73 m)
    Sebastien+Soudais+Paranormal+Activity+Marked+AVKcsd0RNuOl.jpg

    Lately stunt double for Riz Ahmed - height: 5' 8" (1,73 m) - in 'Sisters Brothers'

    Riz Ahmed's very good friend is:
    C-192ntWAAAzGrJ.jpg
    ...Rami Malek 5' 9" (1,75 m)
    Gareth007 wrote: »
    some form of link to his first mission or something in Casino is going to be percent in bond 25
    The child on the frozen lake is middle eastern looking. So is Malek. So was Vespers boyfriend who was from Algeria, who got arrested at the end of QoS.

    Then we have Swann and her dad. "I heard so much about you from Vesper" (Mr.White). What secrets did they keep from us in CR? Did she know his daughter?


    Stunt doubles do not have to be the same height. Just look similar.
    what middle eastern kid on the lake??
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 2019 Posts: 5,834
    I don’t think any of these Casino Royale theories are going to happen, especially the ones regarding Vesper.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 3,160
    what middle eastern kid on the lake??
    This one:
    Maya Khosrowshahi who was cast is persian.
    1883574C0C135A36AE45806EC431CA27.jpg
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Danny Boyle’s Bond film already had a cast...

    He cast some unknown actors to play Russian villains and the plot was about hacking an election and Bond dying..

    Basically a we hate Donald trump film.

    That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Being an American and hearing about Russia 365 days a year for two years straight is annoying and to think they’d make a Bond movie out of it???

    Thank god they got rid of him.

    Danny Boyle is a B movie director at best. The director we have now is a Netflix guy also.


    We heard rumors of Spielberg directing WTF happened???

    Daniel Craig who has made them over a billion dollars is doing a final Bond film and we will likely not get another one for 5+ years after next year and they have ZERO marketing for this film no “Daniel Craig’s last outing!”

    All they can talk about is “Will Bond be black or a woman next??”

    The world has gone to shit guys.

    They should’ve gotten a WAY better Director this whole project is way over his head.

    That’s like taking a manager at Walmart and making him the CEO, how do you think that would work out?

    I am actually really disappointed in EON! Daniel looks bored in the past two films and I can see why.

    This isn’t an episode of MI5 this is James Bond.....

    Chicken Little is that you?

    Also, SPOOKS (it's proper name) was a pretty good show in its day.


    In America it was MI5 lol.

    Either way Skyfall and Spectre felt like an episode from Spooks/MI5 not a Bond film..

    I know, just teasing. ;)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,532
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Does this mean I can't use my "old man yells at cloud" meme again, @DarthDimi? I've yet to see a post from dear PP that was undeserving of it.

    Please don't let me deprive you of a little fun, @CraigMooreOHMSS. ;-)
    Remington wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    There already is a “we hate trump” bond film: Goldfinger.

    @Ottofuse8 lets not get political on the thread @NicNac @jake24 @DarthDimi

    That was actually kinda funny. No need to bring the mods in.

    Indeed, it wasn't a political comment, just a wee bit of fun. :)

    @DarthDimi you sure saying trump is a bond villain isn't political

    It was a joke. Surely that’s permitted.

    @Ottofuse8 @DarthDimi ok its hard to tell when its online. If Trump is Goldfinger what does that make Hililary Clinton Rosa Klebb

    Yes

    I can definitely see a resemblance.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    This thread needs to be locked until Monday at least. So many talking heads who have no idea what they’re talking about.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    This thread needs to be locked until Monday at least. So many talking heads who have no idea what they’re talking about.
    Quite!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    This thread needs to be locked until Monday at least. So many talking heads who have no idea what they’re talking about.
    Amen.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Lol why does everyone complain when things get off topic or there’s too much speculation??

    Lock the thread until Monday????

    Some of you guys got MAJOR issues if you can’t stay off the forums for a week or two... Are you really that mad?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,449
    Rubbish. Surely we cannot justify locking a thread about the production of an upcoming Bond film, on a Bond fan forum no less, a mere few hours before filming officially begins. That's like telling football fans an hour before the match starts to shut up about football. Won't work.

    Besides, it's not like as of Monday we'll suddenly have loads of confirmed news bits to discuss, is it? And the so-called talking heads who have no idea what they're talking about will all through this production continue to talk about things they are clueless about. Locking this thread till Monday wouldn't solve that "problem".

    So no, we are not locking this thread.
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    @DarthDimi Thank you! People who can’t stand the heat need to stop demanding a temporary lock and instead simply get out of the kitchen!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 2019 Posts: 5,834
    @DarthDimi Thank you! People who can’t stand the heat need to stop demanding a temporary lock and instead simply get out of the kitchen!
    There's causing some heat in the kitchen and then there's setting it ablaze and hoping for a few casualties.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,449
    @DarthDimi Thank you! People who can’t stand the heat need to stop demanding a temporary lock and instead simply get out of the kitchen!

    We certainly are in agreement about that, @PanchitoPistoles. If people cannot handle a good old-fashioned, steamy debate now, who knows what's going to happen when the film has actually been released and we're systematically voicing our thoughts and opinions on it in full. I'm sure we'll be receiving a few "that person disagrees with me so please ban him" requests again. ;-)
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 6,665
    Well, @DarthDimi, if I repeat the same inane and antagonistic thing for the nth time, I suppose you'll say it's ok because I'm voicing my opinion. And if I repeatedly call out some sane voices and obsessively insult a known producer to a point of idiocy, and if I actively contribute to the bad ambience of the forums, you'll defend me as a voice with value and an honourable member. Right? And then when some member points the inanity of it all, I suppose you'll say he's just trying to ban a member with a different paralaxe from his. Right? Please... I'll just repeat an ideia ad nauseam and we'll call it a steamy debate when people react ok? Then I'll act the victim so you guys can defend me and bam! my monomaniacal neurosis will be appeased. I've been silent about this and just watching the wars unfold before my eyes. But sometimes, ironic comments such as your own ("I'm sure we'll be receiving a few "that person disagrees with me so please ban him" requests again") can't be left unanswered.

    Sorry to the mods I promised not to engage the subject, but this is just ridiculous. Feel free to censor my response. Again.

    I'll gently return to my silent position now. Have fun.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Univex I'm not sure what you want to hear me say.
    Some people make unpleasant remarks. Some people have things to say that many of us disagree with. And some people continue to say them. But as long as no rules are being broken, what do you expect us to do?

    If you go back a few pages, you will notice that just a few hours ago, I passionately wrote lengthy posts defending the "known producer". From those posts, you can deduce that the member whom you are accusing of actively contributing to the bad ambience of the forum, has opinions that do not align with mine at all. If said member repeats them ad nauseam, I'll simply repeat my own arguments ad nauseam. But as long as no forum rules are broken, we do not ban a member whose opinions are, perhaps, controversial, annoying or in bad taste, since all of this remains subjective.

    Now, if things turn caustic, if fights ensue, if certain lines are crossed and warnings issued by mods, privately or otherwise, are clearly being ignored, then we will step in and possibly ban.

    The reason we keep at least one mod pretty active in this thread at all time--it was my "turn" today--is to avoid escalation. As long as we feel that the worst offence is eliciting "a steamy debate", we see no reason why someone must be warned or banned. Perhaps monomaniacal neuroses are being appeased. We're all playing this game from behind our keyboards; we can never be entirely sure about a member's intentions or inner psyche. You seem to be suggesting that we have a major troll in our midst and that by allowing him to participate in this thread any further, we are essentially subjecting ourselves to a conman's dangerous schemes. Again though, I must ask, what do you want us to do? Do you honestly want us to say to someone, "sorry, dude, but folks don't really like what you have to say, and since you keep saying that stuff, we're going to have to let you go." That's a level of censorship we do not wish to uphold here.

    You needn't worry. We know when to step in. And I admit that several pages back, things got really ugly. We did have talks with people, in private. And since then, things have turned less restless. If they turn volatile again, and if we must jump from a polite request to a harsh warning really fast, then we shall also ban really fast. But right now, what's the worst anyone has done? Dropping silly ideas like firing Barbara Broccoli? Surely we're courageous enough to post arguments against those silly notions without having to ban the culprit. And if you feel the ambience is brought down by one person, then simply tell him you don't care about his nonsense and ignore any further posts made by him. One member alone doesn't have the power to bring the ambience down. The overall climate can only turn foggy if other members give him the power to annoy, irritate and infuriate him.

    'But sometimes, ironic comments such as your own ("I'm sure we'll be receiving a few "that person disagrees with me so please ban him" requests again") can't be left unanswered.'

    What do you mean by this? You are aware of this phenomenon, are you not? "Mods, it's time you ban this hater of SF." "Mods, this member has been doing nothing but bash Daniel Craig so ban him." Wait, what?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 2019 Posts: 308
    Yes, perhaps its a bit late in the game to lock this thread. It probably should have been done a few weeks ago so we could have avoided these asinine discussions that just serve to rile up our more levelheaded members. Now I remember why I left 4 years ago.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Yes, perhaps its a bit late in the game to lock this thread. It probably should have been done a few weeks ago so we could have avoided these asinine discussions that just serve to rile up our more levelheaded members. Now I remember why I left 4 years ago.

    Much prefer a passionate debate rather than a boring echo-chamber. But to each their own. Anyone is free to leave.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 308
    Yes, perhaps its a bit late in the game to lock this thread. It probably should have been done a few weeks ago so we could have avoided these asinine discussions that just serve to rile up our more levelheaded members. Now I remember why I left 4 years ago.

    Much prefer a passionate debate rather than a boring echo-chamber. But to each their own. Anyone is free to leave.
    Big difference between passionate debate and pointless bickering spurred on by members who obviously want attention

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    Is there no "ignore" option in this forum? I think that would greatly help solve conflicts between people who are frankly at their throats with each other.

    I also think the mods are doing their job well and unless I'm wrong they're not even getting paid for it.

    There have been comments made here that I intensely disagree with too, such as the trashing of the entire Brosnan or Moore tenures, amongst other things. But I usually just ignore it. However I've noticed sometimes people take it too personally.

    Filming is just getting started so why lock this thread now? Just my two cents.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,449
    @Daltonforyou
    This thread was originally designed with the purpose of listing up all new developments regarding B25. If we don't allow such a thread, every single rumour online will soon get its own thread, and that's about the last thing we want.

    But we're not robots. We tend to respond emotionally to almost every rumour. Some ideas make us happy, some make us angry, but few leave us indifferent. So debates of all kinds are inevitable. But 'asinine discussions'? Check out the comments section for any youtube video and I promise that this forum will look positively sterile regarding outbursts of joy or negativity.

    I always regret people contemplating leaving. This is a discussion forum, not an encyclopedia. You come here, you know that you will meet all sorts of people who will interact with you, whether you appreciate their comments or not. No-one is forcing you to take the bait though. You don't like a comment, you ignore it, possibly flag it, and move on. It's what I do all the time. Sometimes I respond, most of the time I shrug and enter another discussion in another thread. But why would I kiss the forum goodbye?

    Sometime next year, B25 will have been released. Many of us--most of us--will have seen the movie at some point. (Some claim they won't; people who "know" it's going to be a disaster. Good for them! :D I honestly don't care.) If this thread is too much for some to handle, if we should have locked it long ago, what is going to happen next year? Because there will be lovers and haters, ardent supporters and aggressive bashers, those who praise and those who spit. We will have not one but at least four threads (one for spoilers, one for zero spoilers; one for positive comments, one for harsh criticism); and despite our best intentions and efforts, we will not be able to avoid "the other fraction" invading a thread not really designed for them. And I'm merely talking about the film. What about a thread for the theme song, a thread for the score, a thread for who-knows-what-else?

    What we want is for people to
    - stay calm;
    - know when to stay away from a thread for at least a day or two;
    - drop impressions, arguments, comments without attacking someone else;
    - accept that we will never universally share the same opinions.

    What we don't want is for people to
    - get emotional over someone else's remarks;
    - demand a thread being locked or a member being banned simply because they allow others to crawl under their skin;
    - assume that all contradicting opinions, especially the ones repeatedly stated, are meant to hurt, upset or infuriate them, even if that's actually the case, because then the fights begin;
    - presume that the mods will automatically support the "positive" troublemakers much more than the bashers. Troublemakers are troublemakers, and even our own, individual opinions about the film, will not result in one fraction getting away with things much more than the other.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 677
    Yes, perhaps its a bit late in the game to lock this thread. It probably should have been done a few weeks ago so we could have avoided these asinine discussions that just serve to rile up our more levelheaded members. Now I remember why I left 4 years ago.
    I'm sorry, but I take issue with this. Why are some posters put on a pedestal as the more levelheaded? Does that not foster division between the members even more? And it's not the first time I read this. Everyone is here because they're passionate about Bond one way or another. We are never going to agree with each other on all things and none of us express ourselves the same way.
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