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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    I thought he was given his chance (with a plot very much like SF actually). It was called TWINE.

    Words cannot describe my disappointment with that film. Mediocre is a compliment.

    He didn't do himself any favours with his dramatic performance there imho. In a way, it may have necessitated DAD, because EON perhaps realized the limitations of their man and decided to 'ham' it up for the next one.

    I was very disappointed with TWINE too back then and still find it one of the weakest of the franchise.
    But Brosnan's performance had nothing to do, in fact it's the only thing (besides the PTS) that I really find terrific.
    Apted failed miserably with TWINE, he clearly was wrong for Bond. And the script...well...typical P+W level.

    There are certain key moments in that film that I find very troubling. Sadly, they are all somewhat dramatic acting moments from Pierce, and are seared indelibly into my mind whenever I think of this disappointing effort:

    1. infamous sympathetic screen touch:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0264.jpg

    2. knew where to hurt me:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0752.jpg

    3. the infamous "huh" moment (you can feel the brain slowly working here):
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0676.jpg

    4. pain face:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-1367.jpg
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2015 Posts: 9,029
    In all seriousness, Craig should definitely do B25 and that will be a perfect run for him.

    No.

    EON should do two movies back to back and release them in 2017 and 2018 or if they can't help it 2018 and 2019.
    With the same director, but please not Mendes.
    Same ensemble cast, a two-parter but not with a stupid cliff-hanger.

    And I mean that seriously.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Bored into my skull.
    Posts: 32,313
    bondjames wrote: »
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0752.jpg

    Do the claw to mom, dad! Do the claw!


  • No.

    EON should do two movies back to back and release them in 2017 and 2018 or if they can't help it 2018 and 2019.
    With the same director, but please not Mendes.
    Same ensemble cast, a two-parter but not with a stupid cliff-hanger.

    And I mean that seriously.[/quote]

    I do not do this often, but what on earth is this guy talking about?

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 3,229
    I'm hoping Craig sticks around for another 2 if only just to wind up those that want him out the way.

    Also this assumption that Bond will become more lighthearted and OTT again because of the likes of Kingsman (have no desire to see it and suggest those not happy with the series should gravitate that way if that is what you want) or MI5 (more of the same).

    I don't imagine for one second that Bond will make much more than a slight shift towards more lighter fare, SPECTRE looks to have a bit more lightness of touch but also it also looks pretty dark as well.

    Now if this does do the billion or even out gross SF why the hell would they want to start making films like the Moore or Brosnan era again?

    Mark my words whoever comes on board next they won't be signing on to become just a one dimensional play boy, the next actor that signs on will be doing it because of what Daniel Craig as bought to the role. Anyone that thinks different is just too blinded by their either blatant DC hate or those that hide behind it claiming they don't dislike him but their posts are loaded with subtle pot shots at his era.

    I thoroughly dislike Brosnan as Bond never made a secret of it and never claim to think he's OK and then take a shot, I'm clear in my displeasure with his era and you'll find no subtlety in my critique of who I believe is the worst Bond of the series.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @bondjames

    I can find you plenty of screen-shots of Craig in his Bond movies that are quite unflattering. That's no achievement.

    Be it as it may, Imho Brosnan did well in TWINE, the director not.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    I'm not for it, the eon series shouldn't do anything like that and should focus on the main series, but it would be interesting to see a different studio make a 1960's bond esque film/ series

    They did ..it was The Man from UNCLE and it bombed.

    The success, or lack of success, of The Man from UNCLE is irrelevant. There have been several movies set on Mars that have failed, the most recent being John Carter. Based on that should Ridley Scott have passed on The Martian?
    If a period Bond film is done and it's a quality production, it will be a success.


  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    ColonelSun wrote: »

    No.

    EON should do two movies back to back and release them in 2017 and 2018 or if they can't help it 2018 and 2019.
    With the same director, but please not Mendes.
    Same ensemble cast, a two-parter but not with a stupid cliff-hanger.

    And I mean that seriously.

    I do not do this often, but what on earth is this guy talking about?

    [/quote]

    I can spell it out for you....

    Produce two James Bond movies, shot back to back, release them with only a one year gap, like it's done with franchises these days.
    Daniel Craig can have a grand finale to his tenure.

    Does it need more explaining?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @bondjames

    I can find you plenty of screen-shots of Craig in his Bond movies that are quite unflattering. That's no achievement.

    Be it as it may, Imho Brosnan did well in TWINE, the director not.

    @BondJasonBond006, there are a lot of things wrong with TWINE no doubt, but where you and I appear to disagree is on Brosnan's performance in that film. I thought it was lousy and somewhat embarrassing. It is possible that Apted couldn't get the best out of him (he seemed to have trouble getting the best out of anyone) but nevertheless, I felt that Brosnan seriously overacted in that film (irrespective of the film's quality), and this had a negative effect on my opinion of his overall tenure. I definitely thought he improved a lot in DAD, but the damage from TWINE was quite cutting & serious to my overall opinion of him.

    Having said that, I don't think Craig has come even close to his performance in CR since. He hasn't sunk as low as I thought Brosnan did in TWINE, but he has been 'far' from as good as we know he can be, as evidenced in CR. I hope Mendes can coax some brilliance out of him once more for SP.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    CR is overrated, QoS is underated, and SF has the reputation it deserves. Now please, let's get back to the discussion at hand, instead of worrying who is better Craig or Brosnan. They are both worthy actors for the role.

    I prefer Brosnan, feel he wasn't given the chance to shine. If Brosnan was given material like CR, he would've blown Craig out of the water, I don't care what the Craig apologists say.

    Goldeneye was directed by the same mam as CR. Had one of the best original non Fleming scripts in the franchise. His tenure did not encounter studio issues until after his last film, Brosnan simply did not say I want it done this way or that way he turned up read a script looked cool and went home. He says himself he wishes he had spoken up and done things differently, that he remembers Goldeneye the rest is a blur...Craig the polar opposite threw himself in to it. He used his influence to draw directors, actors he wanted it done right or not at all. I dont believe Brosnan was given a lesser opportunity than Craig and answer me this why is it Sean Bean's performance puts Brosnans to shame? Bean blows him out the water. Bean should have been Bond instead.

    Everyone has a different opinion. Tired of insults with our arguments..




  • You know that DAD sold more tickets than CR?

    Er...no?

    http://www.007james.com/articles/box_office.php
    Sorry box office does not make a movie automatically good.
    The Brosnan era had lots of that too.

    My point is the current era has yet to produce a second classic that will stand the test of decades passing and therefore will be considered in the heights of the ones I mentioned.

    SP could be that one.

    Regardless of what you think of it, Skyfall IS considered such a second classic, among fans and critics alike. imdb, metacritic, rottentomatoes etc all show its ranked up there with CR.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Bored into my skull.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 32,313
    We can all d
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Bored into my skull.
    Posts: 32,313
    We can all disagree to agree.
  • RC7RC7
    edited October 2015 Posts: 9,799
    In all seriousness, Craig should definitely do B25 and that will be a perfect run for him.

    I agree. SP may change my mind, but I just get the distinct impression there will be more life in Waltz's character than just this movie. One more would allow them to tie that up and finish Craig's tenure with style.
    Produce two James Bond movies, shot back to back, release them with only a one year gap, like it's done with franchises these days.

    Don't really get the rationale behind this. I'd rather see SP and decide whether a final film is necessary to round out his tenure. I'd rather one good film than talent spreading itself thinly across two. CR and QoS link, SF is standalone, SP feels like it has its retrospective fingerprints on the previous three; It feels like one more could neatly tie up the tenure, especially if this one leaves questions unanswered. We don't need a middle film of a trilogy as B25 would play out in your concept.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    We can all disagree to agree.
    And from there we must leave it.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @bondjames

    I can find you plenty of screen-shots of Craig in his Bond movies that are quite unflattering. That's no achievement.

    Be it as it may, Imho Brosnan did well in TWINE, the director not.

    @BondJasonBond006, there are a lot of things wrong with TWINE no doubt, but where you and I appear to disagree is on Brosnan's performance in that film. I thought it was lousy and somewhat embarrassing. It is possible that Apted couldn't get the best out of him (he seemed to have trouble getting the best out of anyone) but nevertheless, I felt that Brosnan seriously overacted in that film (irrespective of the film's quality), and this had a negative effect on my opinion of his overall tenure. I definitely thought he improved a lot in DAD, but the damage from TWINE was quite cutting & serious to my overall opinion of him.

    Having said that, I don't think Craig has come even close to his performance in CR since. He hasn't sunk as low as I thought Brosnan did in TWINE, but he has been 'far' from as good as we know he can be, as evidenced in CR. I hope Mendes can coax some brilliance out of him once more for SP.

    I can agree with that. It's my believe Brosnan needs directing, I even think he has said so himself in some interviews (not Bond related).
    There are actors that can only deliver stellar performances if the director suits them. There are plenty of Brosnan movies where you can see that.

    While I was quite frustrated after TWINE it didn't hurt the "era" for me overall. I was accustomed to disappointment really.
    AVTAK disappointed me quite a bit and LTK very much, but for different reasons (too violent for me at that time when I was only 16).
    So getting one movie that was disappointing didn't really surprise me back then.
    In the end (2002) the era ended on a high point for me, I know that's very controversial nowadays to say. But back then everybody in my surroundings were exhilarated by DAD.

    I'm not that hard on Craig. He is fine as Bond if somewhat one-dimensional (but I have to stop otherwise I'll take hits again, not from you I mean) :))

    I'll say this again to make a positive statement at the end of this post:

    Casino Royale is as good as FRWL or OHMSS, therefore I am very glad things played out as they did back in 2005/2006!
    Spectre has all the potential to duplicate that achievement!
  • Posts: 119
    RC7 wrote: »
    In all seriousness, Craig should definitely do B25 and that will be a perfect run for him.

    I agree. SP may change my mind, but I just get the distinct impression there will be more life in Waltz's character than just this movie. One more would allow them to tie that up and finish Craig's tenure with style.

    Regardless of who Waltz may or may not be playing in this film, he's too good an actor and too good a bad guy actor to toss away after one film. If there's anyone who should be a returnee for this franchise in the baddie department after Mr. White, it's Waltz.

    Thus to the point, so to should Craig then return.
  • RC7RC7
    edited October 2015 Posts: 9,799
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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I thought he was given his chance (with a plot very much like SF actually). It was called TWINE.

    Words cannot describe my disappointment with that film. Mediocre is a compliment.

    He didn't do himself any favours with his dramatic performance there imho. In a way, it may have necessitated DAD, because EON perhaps realized the limitations of their man and decided to 'ham' it up for the next one.

    I was very disappointed with TWINE too back then and still find it one of the weakest of the franchise.
    But Brosnan's performance had nothing to do, in fact it's the only thing (besides the PTS) that I really find terrific.
    Apted failed miserably with TWINE, he clearly was wrong for Bond. And the script...well...typical P+W level.

    There are certain key moments in that film that I find very troubling. Sadly, they are all somewhat dramatic acting moments from Pierce, and are seared indelibly into my mind whenever I think of this disappointing effort:

    1. infamous sympathetic screen touch:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0264.jpg

    2. knew where to hurt me:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0752.jpg

    3. the infamous "huh" moment (you can feel the brain slowly working here):
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0676.jpg

    4. pain face:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-1367.jpg

    let me tell you,

    brosnan in twine BEATS craig in cr

    there is no

    contest

    Anyway if you want to talk about bad acting, take a gander at Craig's 'seduction' face at solange when he asks her for a drink. How any women can see that expression and not read 'I'm about to rape you' I will never know.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Mendes4Lyfe

    Well it's easier to ridicule Brosnan around here, it even gets applause from some.
    If it's the other way around it gets a severe kick in the teeth. Just saying.
  • fanbond123 wrote: »

    Having seen Mad Max:Fury Road, I like the idea of a Warner Bros produced James Bond film. Perhaps they could offer some new ideas to EON and take the franchise in a new-ish direction. That might necessitate a new Bond actor and new director.

    Uhh...have you also seen Pan, Jupiter Ascending, and Vacation?
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Jude Law, Jason Stratham (albeit a bad actor), Carey Grant, Christian Bale....all bankable british actors who headline/d films?

    Cary Grant hasn't been up to much lately for some reason. Anyway, yeah, Christian Bale is probably the top British star right now, but even he occasionally puts something out like Out of the furnace which doesn't do well. And Jude Law as a leading man is pretty much a guarantee of a box office flop; he's doing supporting roles now.
    Basically there are no "stars" anymore on the same level as Cruise, Schwarzenegger etc where every movie was an event. The industry has moved more and more towards spectacle and pre-sold brand names where you can just stick an unknown Brit or Aussie into a role and it'll do well. The problem comes when these actors try to branch out and think the superhero audience will follow them (Re: Blackhat, The man from UNCLE, anything with Chris Evans)
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 9,309
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I thought he was given his chance (with a plot very much like SF actually). It was called TWINE.

    Words cannot describe my disappointment with that film. Mediocre is a compliment.

    He didn't do himself any favours with his dramatic performance there imho. In a way, it may have necessitated DAD, because EON perhaps realized the limitations of their man and decided to 'ham' it up for the next one.

    I was very disappointed with TWINE too back then and still find it one of the weakest of the franchise.
    But Brosnan's performance had nothing to do, in fact it's the only thing (besides the PTS) that I really find terrific.
    Apted failed miserably with TWINE, he clearly was wrong for Bond. And the script...well...typical P+W level.

    There are certain key moments in that film that I find very troubling. Sadly, they are all somewhat dramatic acting moments from Pierce, and are seared indelibly into my mind whenever I think of this disappointing effort:

    1. infamous sympathetic screen touch:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0264.jpg

    2. knew where to hurt me:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0752.jpg

    3. the infamous "huh" moment (you can feel the brain slowly working here):
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0676.jpg

    4. pain face:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-1367.jpg
    No offence, but none of these things you listed here are enough to bring even a mediocre film down to the level of which you described was TWINE.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Bored into my skull.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 32,313
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0676.jpg
    I will kill you now.

    The-World-is-not-Enough-1367.jpg

    Die already, so I can kiss you!
  • Posts: 119
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0676.jpg
    I will kill you know.

    The-World-is-not-Enough-1367.jpg

    Die already, so I can kiss you!

    This reminds me of a show my wife watches. He'd be perfect for Once Upon A Time. Hell, he's already choking out Rumpelstiltskin in that one still. He'd fit right in.

  • Last time I Checked Daniel Craig was making Bond Films, and they still felt like watching Bond films. Maybe we should get Daniel to die his hair for you and ski on Cello?

    The "Craig's dont feel like Bond films" routine usually translates to "Waaah! They're not remaking the same old cliched nonsense I've seen eight times before!". Never understood it. If TWINE and DAD are more "Proper" Bond films to you, then...enjoy yourself, I guess.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    I enjoyed Brosnan and I enjoy Craig. You can like both it's ok ..your brain won't pop.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
    Posts: 6,851
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I enjoyed Brosnan and I enjoy Craig. You can like both it's ok ..your brain won't pop.

    Craig huggers wont admit it
  • mcdonbb wrote: »
    I enjoyed Brosnan and I enjoy Craig. You can like both it's ok ..your brain won't pop.

    I don't know if you meant me specifically but I do enjoy them all on various different levels! I watched DAD just the other day. Totally ridiculous, as always, but I still had a good time :)
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,119
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I enjoyed Brosnan and I enjoy Craig. You can like both it's ok ..your brain won't pop.

    I don't know if you meant me specifically but I do enjoy them all on various different levels! I watched DAD just the other day. Totally ridiculous, as always, but I still had a good time :)

    No I didn't mean you directly ...or anybody specifically really. Sorry.

    ...and yeah I'm the same with DAD; it's just a OTT style Bond film. I miss those sonetimes.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I thought he was given his chance (with a plot very much like SF actually). It was called TWINE.

    Words cannot describe my disappointment with that film. Mediocre is a compliment.

    He didn't do himself any favours with his dramatic performance there imho. In a way, it may have necessitated DAD, because EON perhaps realized the limitations of their man and decided to 'ham' it up for the next one.

    I was very disappointed with TWINE too back then and still find it one of the weakest of the franchise.
    But Brosnan's performance had nothing to do, in fact it's the only thing (besides the PTS) that I really find terrific.
    Apted failed miserably with TWINE, he clearly was wrong for Bond. And the script...well...typical P+W level.

    There are certain key moments in that film that I find very troubling. Sadly, they are all somewhat dramatic acting moments from Pierce, and are seared indelibly into my mind whenever I think of this disappointing effort:

    1. infamous sympathetic screen touch:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0264.jpg

    2. knew where to hurt me:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0752.jpg

    3. the infamous "huh" moment (you can feel the brain slowly working here):
    The-World-is-not-Enough-0676.jpg

    4. pain face:
    The-World-is-not-Enough-1367.jpg
    No offence, but none of these things you listed here are enough to bring even a mediocre film down to the level of which you described was TWINE.

    None taken, and that's perhaps because I've actually held back in my opinion of this film and the acting by all concerned, especially the lead.

    If I really said what I felt, that's when I would be the one causing offence. I have too much respect for some members here who idolize the man and who inexplicably like this effort.

    I am glad we have DC in the title role now, when it comes to drama he knows how to do it. I've seen a little too much of that lately so I can understand how some feel negatively about that too, but in my mind he is clearly the better actor for dramatic work. Someone mentioned Brosnan as being superior in this regard. I personally disagree.
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