Who should/could be a Bond actor? *SPOILERS*

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think if he could have poshed up a bit (as all the other Bonds did) he would have made a fine 007. He’s got everything it needs, and it’s especially helpful that a lot of women find him swoonsome.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I honestly think the next bond is going to be born in the 90s.

    I'll have to find my bow tie 🍸
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    With the Covid crisis still ongoing and box-office takings not being what they were, does anyone think we might be looking at a scaled-down Bond franchise in the future? Or even that they might struggle to get funding for a new movie, at least until people are going back to the cinemas in the numbers they used to (if that actually happens)?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    With the Covid crisis still ongoing and box-office takings not being what they were, does anyone think we might be looking at a scaled-down Bond franchise in the future? Or even that they might struggle to get funding for a new movie, at least until people are going back to the cinemas in the numbers they used to (if that actually happens)?

    I think if they can make the next movie to the sort of budget Skyfall had rather than to the larger Spectre one, it should be fine.

    Do we know what sort of budget NTTD had?
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    mtm wrote: »
    With the Covid crisis still ongoing and box-office takings not being what they were, does anyone think we might be looking at a scaled-down Bond franchise in the future? Or even that they might struggle to get funding for a new movie, at least until people are going back to the cinemas in the numbers they used to (if that actually happens)?

    I think if they can make the next movie to the sort of budget Skyfall had rather than to the larger Spectre one, it should be fine.

    Do we know what sort of budget NTTD had?

    $250m for the final version, and probably another $50m for the aborted Boyle version, so all in all probably $300m.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Getting up there then. Good point about the Boyle one, some say they'd started building sets.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    I’d be thinking the budget for Bond 26 will be somewhere in the region of $150-200 million.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Benny wrote: »
    I’d be thinking the budget for Bond 26 will be somewhere in the region of $150-200 million.

    I'd definitely expect a drop, because no one will be sure about the new guy replacing Craig. I'm not sure precisely how movie financing works, but I think if some of it is from investors and product placement, those people won't find the first non-Craig Bond such an attractive proposition.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    I would think the budget would be scaled down due to the changing market, not just no more Craig, but with Amazon involved, their pockets are so deep, who knows…
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Have you SEEN Idris Elba in films and pictures ? He looks just fine. Not someone who would fall over in a stiff breeze. Tall, built, distinctive, not some bland generically handsome guy. When his characters get in a fight it is believable, and you believe he can win the fight.

    Absolutely suitable to play a suave spy, but not Bond.

    ??? Based on WHAT ? Sean Connery did not have blue/grey eyes or jet black hair, but he sure made a terrific Bond. What Connery did bring was strength, conviction, height, a strong build, sex appeal and swagger. I've seen people tout a bunch of pathetically generic handsome lads on here who'd tip over in a stiff breeze, and would never be believable in a fight. Watch The Take, in which Elba appears with the (proposed by many folks on here) Richard Madden and the comparison becomes very obvious very quickly. Madden's character even self-disparagingly compares himself with Elba's character with regard to the physicality aspect. As for Elba's age -- he's in fine shape, as can be seen in any of his films. He looks fitter than past Bond actors did at younger ages.
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Have you SEEN Idris Elba in films and pictures ? He looks just fine. Not someone who would fall over in a stiff breeze. Tall, built, distinctive, not some bland generically handsome guy. When his characters get in a fight it is believable, and you believe he can win the fight.

    All other considerations aside, he's too old now.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    George Lazenby wants.....Margot Robbie?!?



    Heck, say what you want about a 'female Bond', but just tell me who I need to kill to get a Margot Robbie-led spy franchise.

    (To be honest, this was just an excuse for me to spend a few minutes googling Margot and posting photos for our perusal before the whole 'woke' debate heats up - Bond shouldn't be a woman)


    Officially lost his marbles. Never liked him as Bond, for obvious and logical reasons, but I like him even less now. Grats to Lazenby earning another 15 seconds of fame through an online rag.

    P.s. Thought you were playing for the other team @Pierce2Daniel

    We all want Margot Robbie, Scarlett will always be my muse, but I'm quite flexible.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Have you SEEN Idris Elba in films and pictures ? He looks just fine. Not someone who would fall over in a stiff breeze. Tall, built, distinctive, not some bland generically handsome guy. When his characters get in a fight it is believable, and you believe he can win the fight.

    All other considerations aside, he's too old now.

    Exactly! You have to consider longevity, and how long the actor will realistically last in a series of films, not just one movie.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Have you SEEN Idris Elba in films and pictures ? He looks just fine. Not someone who would fall over in a stiff breeze. Tall, built, distinctive, not some bland generically handsome guy. When his characters get in a fight it is believable, and you believe he can win the fight.

    All other considerations aside, he's too old now.

    Exactly! You have to consider longevity, and how long the actor will realistically last in a series of films, not just one movie.
    Elba looks very good for his age, but he very much looks his age. Even if he didn't, time would have its toll sooner rather than later.
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    Since62 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Have you SEEN Idris Elba in films and pictures ? He looks just fine. Not someone who would fall over in a stiff breeze. Tall, built, distinctive, not some bland generically handsome guy. When his characters get in a fight it is believable, and you believe he can win the fight.

    Absolutely suitable to play a suave spy, but not Bond.

    ??? Based on WHAT ? Sean Connery did not have blue/grey eyes or jet black hair, but he sure made a terrific Bond. What Connery did bring was strength, conviction, height, a strong build, sex appeal and swagger. I've seen people tout a bunch of pathetically generic handsome lads on here who'd tip over in a stiff breeze, and would never be believable in a fight. Watch The Take, in which Elba appears with the (proposed by many folks on here) Richard Madden and the comparison becomes very obvious very quickly. Madden's character even self-disparagingly compares himself with Elba's character with regard to the physicality aspect. As for Elba's age -- he's in fine shape, as can be seen in any of his films. He looks fitter than past Bond actors did at younger ages.

    If we can get past the fact that he is black, and not at all in line with the original Fleming description (yes, I know Moore and Craig had different hair colour, and Connery and Laz had different eye colour - but these are minor discrepancies aside).

    Different skin colour and background origin takes on whole new level in adapting and modernising a colonial white old-fashioned British character written in the 1950's. If we eradicate that part too, is this really Ian Fleming's James Bond anymore, or just another modern action superspy?

    You could argue its never really been fully Fleming Bond on screen (other than early Connery, Laz and Dalton), but the essence of the 1950's character is still evident in all the performances from all the actors, despite the different direction in the movies over the years.

    Looking at all the actors, they are not a million miles away from the physical description Fleming gave Bond all those years ago. Craig, Dalton, Brozza and Moore had the eyes, Dalton, Brozza, Laz and Connery had the hair. But they all tallied up overall in a fashion to what Fleming described in the books, if they are still anything to go by. I know some of you don't care less about the books, or Fleming, so this argument will be wasted on you. To me, I personally want an actor that physically matches exactly what Fleming described, no matter what era the new films appear in - but that's just me.

    Getting past the skin colour, Elba is way past his sell-by date now. How would Elba look at the end of his Bond reign? Come to think of it, how old would he look mid-way through his Bond reign.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    Great post @jetsetwilly . I wonder if an actor like Jamie Bell would be someone that could display the characteristics you mention, when it comes to playing an Ian Fleming type Bond. He's not classically handsome, but looks fine. But he has a ruggedness and steely quality too him as well. He'd be a left field choice similar to Craig. But would he pass as a Fleming Bond?
    He's certainly not my first choice, but he's a good actor, and I could see EON having him on their shortlist.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Jamie Bell is a name that has come up before. He's a decent actor, but if IMDb stats are accurate (and admittedly, they might not be), at 5'7'' he's really going to make the production sweat a bit to make him look tall. I think if height really isn't a deal breaker for Eon, then he's still less likely than the more prestigious Jack O'Connell (5' 7½", very well respected, though I think he'd need to 'posh up' his accent, something that can blunt the force of an actor's talent, imo).

    Then again, I seem to remember that Barbara Broccoli produced one of Jamie Bell's films, so maybe that might swing things in his direction
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    Great post, @jetsetwilly. Lucid.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 13 Posts: 8,784
    Since62 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Have you SEEN Idris Elba in films and pictures ? He looks just fine. Not someone who would fall over in a stiff breeze. Tall, built, distinctive, not some bland generically handsome guy. When his characters get in a fight it is believable, and you believe he can win the fight.

    Absolutely suitable to play a suave spy, but not Bond.

    ??? Based on WHAT ? Sean Connery did not have blue/grey eyes or jet black hair, but he sure made a terrific Bond. What Connery did bring was strength, conviction, height, a strong build, sex appeal and swagger. I've seen people tout a bunch of pathetically generic handsome lads on here who'd tip over in a stiff breeze, and would never be believable in a fight. Watch The Take, in which Elba appears with the (proposed by many folks on here) Richard Madden and the comparison becomes very obvious very quickly. Madden's character even self-disparagingly compares himself with Elba's character with regard to the physicality aspect. As for Elba's age -- he's in fine shape, as can be seen in any of his films. He looks fitter than past Bond actors did at younger ages.

    If we can get past the fact that he is black, and not at all in line with the original Fleming description (yes, I know Moore and Craig had different hair colour, and Connery and Laz had different eye colour - but these are minor discrepancies aside).

    Different skin colour and background origin takes on whole new level in adapting and modernising a colonial white old-fashioned British character written in the 1950's. If we eradicate that part too, is this really Ian Fleming's James Bond anymore, or just another modern action superspy?

    They're not playing a character written in the 50s any more though. If it were set in the 50s, sure that would be a bigger issue. Is there much 'colonial' about Craig's Bond? Or Brosnan's? Fleming's Bond fought in WW2 and battled the Russians in the Cold War- is it really Bond if he doesn't do that? Elba is too old to start now though, yes.
    Benny wrote: »
    Great post @jetsetwilly . I wonder if an actor like Jamie Bell would be someone that could display the characteristics you mention, when it comes to playing an Ian Fleming type Bond. He's not classically handsome, but looks fine. But he has a ruggedness and steely quality too him as well. He'd be a left field choice similar to Craig. But would he pass as a Fleming Bond?
    He's certainly not my first choice, but he's a good actor, and I could see EON having him on their shortlist.

    Steel yourself for an avalanche of "he's too short!" posts :D
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Honestly, I trust in EON whoever they choose. No matter what.
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    Good points, @jetsetwilly. Each of the actors have had something of Fleming's creation in them, and they do all tally up to the man in the books. That was a good analysis.
    Deviate too far from what Fleming wrote and you might as well also change the character's name and occupation.
    Seems to me, and I could be way off, but these days it seems ANY actor in his 30s and from the UK could be considered for Bond. That just doesn't ring true for me. Someone may be a good, or even great actor, but that doesn't always make them right for the role.
    Hypothetically, say had Al Pacino been cast as Superman, I'd have probably felt I was watching Pacino play Superman rather than see the actual character on the screen.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Benny wrote: »
    Great post @jetsetwilly . I wonder if an actor like Jamie Bell would be someone that could display the characteristics you mention, when it comes to playing an Ian Fleming type Bond. He's not classically handsome, but looks fine. But he has a ruggedness and steely quality too him as well. He'd be a left field choice similar to Craig. But would he pass as a Fleming Bond?
    He's certainly not my first choice, but he's a good actor, and I could see EON having him on their shortlist.

    Shortlist? Lol, that’s about right.
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    Bond should not be played by cute little people.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Good points, @jetsetwilly. Each of the actors have had something of Fleming's creation in them, and they do all tally up to the man in the books. That was a good analysis.
    Deviate too far from what Fleming wrote and you might as well also change the character's name and occupation.
    Seems to me, and I could be way off, but these days it seems ANY actor in his 30s and from the UK could be considered for Bond. That just doesn't ring true for me. Someone may be a good, or even great actor, but that doesn't always make them right for the role.
    Hypothetically, say had Al Pacino been cast as Superman, I'd have probably felt I was watching Pacino play Superman rather than see the actual character on the screen.

    Yes, sometimes the big name actor is the draw and not the character that they happen to be playing this time around in yet another of their big budget films. That shouldn't really happen with a James Bond film, especially not with the first film by a new Bond actor anyway. Of course as the actor's fame grows with the following Bond films they appear in they may well become the main draw of their Bond films but that shouldn't be the initial appeal. The character of James Bond is, and has proven to be, bigger than any one actor who has held the role at a point in time over the last 60 years of the series. Eon have generally (with a few exceptions such as TV stars Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan) chosen actors who aren't quite yet household names and I think that is an approach worth sticking to in the future as it provides proven positive results.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think Roger was pretty famous after the Saint and Persuaders, and he's not really what Fleming wrote- and certainly isn't playing Bond as Fleming wrote him. And yet he's one of my favourites.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think Roger was pretty famous after the Saint and Persuaders, and he's not really what Fleming wrote- and certainly isn't playing Bond as Fleming wrote him. And yet he's one of my favourites.

    Yes, he certainly was famous and I imagine a household name given his TV show appearances. The same would go for Pierce Brosnan I think given how popular Remington Steele was, especially in the US. I made that caveat in my post above, suggesting that there were exceptions to the unknown actor rule.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    Brosnan was nowhere near as famous or popular as Moore.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Brosnan was nowhere near as famous or popular as Moore.

    No, I agree. Moore was a household name and had starred in multiple TV series by the time he played Bond. Brosnan hadn't attained that level of fame or popularity by the time he came to play Bond but I would say he was better known than some who started out as Bond.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Brosnan was nowhere near as famous or popular as Moore.

    Fame is relative; the bottom line is that none of the actors were boxoffice draws, with Moore and Brosnan being primarily known for their work in television.
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    well we have ca game going on ths and yet Aidan turner s not out in front :D
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