MI6 Forum Surprises

00Beast

Creasy47 said:
@00Beast, or remove my belt, look at a gorgeous lady and tell her to "Trust me.", and then swing across the street, through the front glass windows, and take one.

Whew, even better! I got owned by the Crease himself! Hahaha.

Getafix

I think that was FYEO...

Creasy47

Hahah, no, your idea was just as great. Everyone else sees it as cheesy, but I love seeing Brosnan adjust his tie, including the underwater bit in TWINE.

00Beast

Creasy47 said:
Hahah, no, your idea was just as great. Everyone else sees it as cheesy, but I love seeing Brosnan adjust his tie, including the underwater bit in TWINE.

Exactly! It just adds to his level of Bondish coolness!

fire_and_ice

I was pleasantly surprised that a few people share my opinion the GF is a dull and weak bond film. I understand its place as a cultural phenomenan, i struggle to watch it now.

00Beast

fire_and_ice said:
I was pleasantly surprised that a few people share my opinion the GF is a dull and weak bond film. I understand its place as a cultural phenomenan, i struggle to watch it now.

Indeed, I have to force myself to watch it just to see if my opinion will change, which it never does!

Signed_By_RogerMoore

fire_and_ice said:
I was pleasantly surprised that a few people share my opinion the GF is a dull and weak bond film. I understand its place as a cultural phenomenan, i struggle to watch it now.

Am settling down this sunday evening to look into this. I've never questioned Goldfinger as anyfing other than a top 2 James Bond film...I will test it out and report back.

I am very surprised that though people moan and complain about GF for being dull and weak and boring, they love CR

I am surprised on here TSWLM isn't loved as much as it deserves to be

fire_and_ice

00Beast said:

fire_and_ice said:
I was pleasantly surprised that a few people share my opinion the GF is a dull and weak bond film. I understand its place as a cultural phenomenan, i struggle to watch it now.

Indeed, I have to force myself to watch it just to see if my opinion will change, which it never does!

I lose interest after the opening shot of miami after the title sequence, think its a reasonably good score by Barry though that does not help maintain my interest.

JBFan626

Here are the shortcomings of Thunderball:

*Less memorable villain compared to all the other Connery-era villains. Less memorable characters all around in fact.

*Domino, while very attractive, is still a bit wooden and expressionless

*Connery appears to be going through the motions for the first time. Also, his one emotional scene (beach scene with Domino telling her about her brother), falls flat.

*Nothing as iconic as in the other Connery films (gold-painted Jill, laser scene, Dr. No, Honey Ryder emerging from the surf, Blofeld's Volcano, Bond/Red Grant on the Orient.

*Not as many quotable lines. "I think he got the point", but not many others that pop up.

*Drags a bit in the second half. Not a focused finale.

It looks great, it's still Connery doing his thing, the women are gorgeous, and there are some good action pieces. But it doesn't rise above the rest, the way the others do. Still a top 10 Bond film though, and still a great Bond experience.

SharkBait

I was surprised how much heat the Brozzanator got from the fans. On that note I was also surprised how many fans rank Goldeneye before Goldfinger and how some people find the movie , or the second half, boring? I've always thought it to be a perfect Bond film. First to really introduce the Bond formula, that yes, was already finding it's form in Dr. No and From Russia With Love.

TheWizardOfIce

timmer said:
LALD and TMWTGG are pretty much flawless as well, despite their non-Seanness. Guy Hamilton crafts the best escapist Bond IMO.

Glad you included IMO there to qualify the insane drivel you have just written.

LALD is a solid entry but far from perfect and TMWTGG is a mess whenever Christopher Lee is off screen.

After striking gold with GF the producers somehow came to the conclusion that Hamilton was the reason and hiring him again and again could produce similar results. It was only when the shoddy TMWTGG had nearly killed the series stone dead that Cubby realised that Hamilton needed to be put out to grass. Just a shame it was 2 films later than it should have been.

I respect Hamilton for what he did in GF in terms of ensuring the popularity of the series and he deserved a crack at DAF but why didnt any warning bells ring when he turned in such an average picture? Myabe it made money but so did DAD. At least Babs and MGW realised they had dropped the ball hiring Tamahori. Why did it take Cubby a further 2 films where the quality continued steadily to decline before he intervened?

Presumably like Glen, Guy was cheap and stuck to the EON party line.

JBFan626

TheWizardOfIce said:
Why did it take Cubby a further 2 films where the quality continued steadily to decline before he intervened?

Well, simply because DAF did a lot better at the box office than OHMSS, and LALD did even better than that. TMWGG nose-dived at the box-office, so hence the change.

thelivingroyale

I'm surpised how many like Craig so much. I knew he was popular but you can hardly say a bad word about him on here.

The films that are flawless to me are my top 5- LTK, TLD, GF, GE and TSWLM.

I think CR, TWINE and TB are close to flawless.

Getafix

thelivingroyale said:
I'm surpised how many like Craig so much. I knew he was popular but you can hardly say a bad word about him on here.

The films that are flawless to me are my top 5- LTK, TLD, GF, GE and TSWLM.

I think CR, TWINE and TB are close to flawless.

I share your reservations about DC - not that he is bad, but that he is certainly not SO good that he is above criticism.

I agree with GF, TSWLM and TLD. GE though? Really...?

I'd add FRWL and YOLT to the list.

JBFan626

thelivingroyale said:
I'm surpised how many like Craig so much. I knew he was popular but you can hardly say a bad word about him on here.

The films that are flawless to me are my top 5- LTK, TLD, GF, GE and TSWLM.

I think CR, TWINE and TB are close to flawless.

I put it like this: DN-->OHMSS** are flawless and can't be improved. DAF is near flawless, only missing the deleted scenes that were inexplicably removed--but with the DVD release you can get those, so flawless. This is the true golden era.

After that, starting with LALD, the flaws start to creep in and the series never recaptured the glory of films 1-7.

**Note: I said TB had shortcomings in another thread- but this is only in comparison to the other titanic Connery masterpieces. TB is perfection nonetheless.

Getafix

Disagree, TB and DAF are both flawed IMO - DAF particularly so. TSWLM is one of the top five Bond movies. It is different from the golden era but arguably represents the last 'great' epic Bond movie. From TSWLM onwards, Moore's films have a lot to recommend them. FYEO and Octopussy are particularly good. TLD is a solid entry (a personal favourite although I understand that others might not rank it so highly). Flaws become ever more evident from LTK onwards, reaching a low-point from GE to DUD. CR and QoS mark a return to some kind of basic quality control, but still fail to nail the essence of Bond which was last fully achieved in TLD.

Signed_By_RogerMoore

Can't believe the hate for DAF on the forums!

A good solid fun film, I rank it consistently in 9th place, sandwiched between OP and FYEO and ahead of MR, all films I love and can't really split. I think DAF just has an enduring charm to it. SC was amazing in it, even if he had let himself go a bit. Tiffany Case is a dazzling Bond girl and Charles Grey I think is a good blofeld! Do feel the finale on the rig is a bit of a damp squib :/ But other than that, a great Bond film surely?

4EverBonded

Yes but you know the haters (of anything) tend to be more vocal.

Signed_By_RogerMoore

4EverBonded said:
Yes but you know the haters (of anything) tend to be more vocal.

Very true. I am watching GE again in a minute...taken note of the love of it on here, need to see if I have been blind to it

JBFan626

Signed_By_RogerMoore said:
Can't believe the hate for DAF on the forums!

A good solid fun film, I rank it consistently in 9th place, sandwiched between OP and FYEO and ahead of MR, all films I love and can't really split. I think DAF just has an enduring charm to it. SC was amazing in it, even if he had let himself go a bit. Tiffany Case is a dazzling Bond girl and Charles Grey I think is a good blofeld! Do feel the finale on the rig is a bit of a damp squib :/ But other than that, a great Bond film surely?

I completely agree with you! That's a nice summary of the positives. The main reasons why people seem to hate on DAF are:

1. It's not a proper revenge story. True, but it is what it is. Lazenby wasn't coming back. It wouldn't make sense to have someone else avenge Tracy's death. Plus, there is no mention of Tracy's death, DAF should be treated as a standalone film, and best as a successor to YOLT.

..and..

2. Connery looks fat and out of shape. True, but it doesn't take away from his relaxed, roll with the punches performance. Connery actually looks like he's having fun. Just look at his giddy-school boy smile he has on his face while fighting Peter Franks. He's having a blast, playing golf, spinning the slots, dating Lana Wood, and shooting a Bond film. What more could you want?

Getafix

DAF looks and feels flabby.

Signed_By_RogerMoore

Getafix said:
DAF looks and feels flabby.

LOL at 'flabby' =)) such a weird and great word to describe a movie!

Signed_By_RogerMoore

I'm surprised people don't appreciate Roger Moore's acting...aside from the charm he brings, there are alot of serious, dark tense moments in his films made brilliant because of his acting

E.g. TSWLM when Ana confronts him about her boyfriend's death
E.g. FYEO kicking the car off the cliffe
E.g. OP the confrontation with Orlov/trying to stop the bomb
E.g. AVTAK in city hall

These are just quick highlights. There are loads more (or should that be, Moore ;) )

SharkBait

In LALD and TMWTGG too. Threatening to shoot Rosie Carver and slapping Maud and threatening the bullet maker.

OHMSS69

What I notice is we all agree on a few things:
DAD Sucks
QoS Underachieved
AVTAK Stunk
Brosnan is not so popular in hindsight

Signed_By_RogerMoore

OHMSS69 said:
What I notice is we all agree on a few things:
DAD Sucks
QoS Underachieved
AVTAK Stunk
Brosnan is not so popular in hindsight

:o Woah...AVTAK is a lovely little film. Ok, Moore looks and is a tad too old and Stacey Sutton is whiny and not very good (but very good looking!). But the plot is alright and the villains, locations and supporting characters of Tibbet, Ivanova, Lee etc are really great. The music isn't too bad and the action sequences are really good, the finale/bond villain demise being the most tense! There are alot of dark moments in the film that Craig and Dalton would want to be apart of and it is complimented by both Moore's approach to the role and his light-hearted tone and Zorin being outrageously dangerous!

AVTAK works on so many levels. IF this is hated universally, just shows the strength of the series because if this was a stand alone film, it would be considered a classic of the genre and a symbol of 1980's cinema.

OHMSS69

Signed_By_RogerMoore said:

OHMSS69 said:
What I notice is we all agree on a few things:
DAD Sucks
QoS Underachieved
AVTAK Stunk
Brosnan is not so popular in hindsight

:o Woah...AVTAK is a lovely little film. Ok, Moore looks and is a tad too old and Stacey Sutton is whiny and not very good (but very good looking!). But the plot is alright and the villains, locations and supporting characters of Tibbet, Ivanova, Lee etc are really great. The music isn't too bad and the action sequences are really good, the finale/bond villain demise being the most tense! There are alot of dark moments in the film that Craig and Dalton would want to be apart of and it is complimented by both Moore's approach to the role and his light-hearted tone and Zorin being outrageously dangerous!

AVTAK works on so many levels. IF this is hated universally, just shows the strength of the series because if this was a stand alone film, it would be considered a classic of the genre and a symbol of 1980's cinema.

Lo siento mucho!
I didn't make myself clear. I should not have said "we"
I agree with your comments on AVTAK. I actually enjoyed it but you and I are in the minority on this forum.

00Beast

Signed_By_RogerMoore said:
Can't believe the hate for DAF on the forums!

A good solid fun film, I rank it consistently in 9th place, sandwiched between OP and FYEO and ahead of MR, all films I love and can't really split. I think DAF just has an enduring charm to it. SC was amazing in it, even if he had let himself go a bit. Tiffany Case is a dazzling Bond girl and Charles Grey I think is a good blofeld! Do feel the finale on the rig is a bit of a damp squib :/ But other than that, a great Bond film surely?

I agree, Diamonds Are Forever has always been a favorite of mine, I understand the reasons for the hate and all, but I can't agree in the slightest. Also, you're right about the finale, it's somewhat of a let-down. There's not as much excitement and violent fun as there was in the previous big finales like TB, YOLT, and, although it pains me to say it, OHMSS. It's pretty much all due to the fact that Connery got locked up in the brig, which in my opinion, was a screen-writers mistake, especially for the finale! Bond is supposed to be active and in full swing during a Big Bond Finale!

Getafix

Spoiler:

OHMSS69 said:

Signed_By_RogerMoore said:

OHMSS69 said:
What I notice is we all agree on a few things:
DAD Sucks
QoS Underachieved
AVTAK Stunk
Brosnan is not so popular in hindsight

:o Woah...AVTAK is a lovely little film. Ok, Moore looks and is a tad too old and Stacey Sutton is whiny and not very good (but very good looking!). But the plot is alright and the villains, locations and supporting characters of Tibbet, Ivanova, Lee etc are really great. The music isn't too bad and the action sequences are really good, the finale/bond villain demise being the most tense! There are alot of dark moments in the film that Craig and Dalton would want to be apart of and it is complimented by both Moore's approach to the role and his light-hearted tone and Zorin being outrageously dangerous!

AVTAK works on so many levels. IF this is hated universally, just shows the strength of the series because if this was a stand alone film, it would be considered a classic of the genre and a symbol of 1980's cinema.

Lo siento mucho!
I didn't make myself clear. I should not have said "we"
I agree with your comments on AVTAK. I actually enjoyed it but you and I are in the minority on this forum.

Not at all. Zorin shooting his own hench men in the mine is one of my favourite Bond villain moments.

timmer

TheWizardOfIce said:

timmer said:
Guy Hamilton crafts the best escapist Bond IMO.

Glad you included IMO there to qualify the insane drivel you have just written.

Sorry my bad, I'll be sure to defer to your genius in future. :-B

JBFan626 said:

TheWizardOfIce said:
Why did it take Cubby a further 2 films where the quality continued steadily to decline before he intervened?

Well, simply because DAF did a lot better at the box office than OHMSS, and LALD did even better than that. TMWGG nose-dived at the box-office, so hence the change.

Quite. The Wizard is still getting up to speed on his Bond IQ.

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