Timothy Dalton or Daniel Craig?

Baltimore_007

Can someone please tell me what's the deal with putting actual bits from official Bond releases on the forum, is it breach of copyright or not, I was told to take down a fairly innocent one a while back and sometimes we get lots of actual Bond stills on the pages and people turn a blind eye ? Can be a bit confusing sometimes etc

Univex

I actually don´t know, but if it´s frown upon, please do feel free to take them down.

Edit: Took the pictures down myself. No problemo ;)

Baltimore_007

He has as well :|

No, by all means keep them on if you wish, I have no objections, no frown upon's or anything such, I was merely interested in what the rule was for such things, it seems to change from one week to another. I think next time I do such a thing, I'll just thumb my nose at any guidelines and live with the consequences etc :O)

identigraph

I like Dalton and I admire the approach he went with, but lets face it, he didn't really catch on and as said he is not a film star, maybe not even a leading man but a good supporting actor etc but who knows if Dalton had made GE with the 6 year gap if it would still have made big bucks.

Maybe Dan was in the right place right time, whereas Dalton was in the wrong place, wrong time?

BAIN123

identigraph said:
I like Dalton and I admire the approach he went with, but lets face it, he didn't really catch on and as said he is not a film star, maybe not even a leading man but a good supporting actor etc but who knows if Dalton had made GE with the 6 year gap if it would still have made big bucks.

Maybe Dan was in the right place right time, whereas Dalton was in the wrong place, wrong time?

I agree. I think Dalton is probably more effective in side parts. Like I've said one of my favourite roles of his is Hot Fuzz. Its a fairly small role but Dalton makes it memorable and virtually steals the show.

identigraph

I must admit Dalton was brilliant in Hot Fuzz and I was suprised by his comedy prowess.

BAIN123

identigraph said:
I must admit Dalton was brilliant in Hot Fuzz and I was suprised by his comedy prowess.

He admitted in the audio commentary that HF was the most fun he ever had in any film. I think the issue with Bond was that, he approached it very much as an "acting" role. Nothing necessarily wrong with that but it does risk the character being less "fun". With Hot Fuzz you could tell he was just doing it for fun.

identigraph

I wonder if Dalton would play it the same now, if he could do it over again, he seemed pretty intense when he was younger, maybe he has mellowed a bit with age.

DaltonCraig007

If we start talking about their non-Bond films and box-office..... Dalton owns the other 5 Bond's. as Dalton has appeared in the biggest box office hit a Bond actor has ever done (Toy Story 3).

BAIN123

DaltonCraig007 said:
If we start talking about their non-Bond films and box-office..... Dalton owns the other 5 Bond's. as Dalton has appeared in the biggest box office hit a Bond actor has ever done (Toy Story 3).

Yeah...in a role where he only gets about three lines in the whole film ;)

DaltonCraig007

BAIN123 said:

DaltonCraig007 said:
If we start talking about their non-Bond films and box-office..... Dalton owns the other 5 Bond's. as Dalton has appeared in the biggest box office hit a Bond actor has ever done (Toy Story 3).

Yeah...in a role where he only gets about three lines in the whole film ;)

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I see Dalton can never be taken seriously....... :((

identigraph

DaltonCraig007 said:
If we start talking about their non-Bond films and box-office..... Dalton owns the other 5 Bond's. as Dalton has appeared in the biggest box office hit a Bond actor has ever done (Toy Story 3).

It is a funny little part for Dalton though, playing on his actorly reputation!

It would be hard to judge the box office of the actors in non Bond films they starred in, as there are probably not very good records for Connery films and films like Wild Geese and Shout at The Devil for Rog, are said to have done good international Box Office but there doesn't seem to be records available.

Germanlady

@Dalton/Craig. I think, you chose a real bad example to let him shine. On IMDB he doesn't even appear on the casting list. Its solely a speaking role and its hardly his doing, that the film was a success. Try again... ;)

DaltonCraig007

Germanlady said:
@Dalton/Craig. I think, you chose a real bad example to let him shine. On IMDB he doesn't even appear on the casting list. Its solely a speaking role and its hardly his doing, that the film was a success. Try again... ;)

well you can't just dispute facts.... Dalton did appear in Toy Story 3 didn't he ? and that film was the biggest hit for any Bond actor ? whether Dalton had something to do with the success or not doesn't change the fact that it's the biggest hit for any Bond actor.

When I look at the IMDB ratings for Craig's non-Bond films.........
Dream House 5.7
Cowboys and Aliens 6.2
Flashbacks of a Fool 6.7
Golden Compass 6.2
The Invasion 5.9
Enduring Love 6.4
Sylvia 6.1
The Mother 6.8

Germanlady

BO for DC: Age 44
Lifetime Gross Total (22): $1,054,054,270

Dalton : Age 68
1,953,705,154 BUT exclude the 1 Billion something for Toy Story, which is really not his film, you have about 900 Mill and he is a lot older.

Connery: Age 82
$3,491,984,937

Moore: Age 84
$1,461,958,171

Brosnan: Age 59
$1,375,036,567

So - DC has an age gap of:
24 years to Dalton
38 years to Connery
40 years to Moore
15 years to Brosnan

While it has to be seen yet, if ecan beat Connery, he will easily outdo all the others, IF he doesn't stop acting, which he won't.

You must be desperate indeed, if you bring on Toy Story as an example, that he is the most successful of the lot.
Try again...

Germanlady

Between the Lines 8,0
Our friends in the North 8,5
Moll Flanders 8,0
The Ice House 7,5
Road to Perdition 7,8
Copenhagen 7,3 Really, really good
Layer Cake 7,4
The Jacket 7,0
Munich 7,7
Infamous 7,1
CR 7,9
Defiance 7,1
TinTin 7,5
Tattoo 8,0

Some Rotten Tomatoes
Road to Perdition 83%
The Mother 77%
Layer Cake 81%
Munich 78%
CR 94%
Infamous 72%
TinTin 75%
Tattoo 87%
and as a little Extra: One Life - his narration film 92%

DaltonCraig007

Germanlady said:
You must be desperate indeed, if you bring on Toy Story as an example, that he is the most successful of the lot.
Try again...

Sorry but it is you who don't want to accept the facts !! Toy Story 3 *is* the biggest box-office hit that a Bond actor has ever appeared in. That is a cold hard fact that you have to accept. If you want to keep rewriting history and tell lies, you can, but no one will take you seriously.

No matter how much you try to argue against that Dalton appeared in the biggest success of any Bond actor, you are simply wrong. You can't argue with facts.

MajorDSmythe

Germanlady said:
BO for DC: Age 44
Lifetime Gross Total (22): $1,054,054,270

Dalton : Age 68
1,953,705,154 BUT exclude the 1 Billion something for Toy Story, which is really not his film, you have about 900 Mill and he is a lot older.

Hold on there, Sally Box Office. You can't just remove Toy Story 3 becuase it's not Daltons film, and then turn a blind eye to the same films that litter Craigs career. Skimming over Craigs CV, at the least, you're gonna have to remove the following films and their takings, as by your rule, Craig isn't the main focus...

Elizabeth ($30,082,699)
Tintin ($77,591,831)
The Invasion ($15,074,191)
The Jacket ($6,303,762)
Infamous ($1,151,330)
Road To Perdition ($104,454,762)

identigraph

The films of Connery and Moore don't have some comprehensive information in terms of worldwide box office and also inflation is a major factor, epsecially in terms of tickets sold.

DaltonCraig007

MajorDSmythe said:

Germanlady said:
BO for DC: Age 44
Lifetime Gross Total (22): $1,054,054,270

Dalton : Age 68
1,953,705,154 BUT exclude the 1 Billion something for Toy Story, which is really not his film, you have about 900 Mill and he is a lot older.

Hold on there, Sally Box Office. You can't just remove Toy Story 3 becuase it's not Daltons film, and then turn a blind eye to the same films that litter Craigs career. Skimming over Craigs CV, at the least, you're gonna have to remove the following films and their takings, as by your rule, Craig isn't the main focus...

Elizabeth ($30,082,699)
Tintin ($77,591,831)
The Invasion ($15,074,191)
The Jacket ($6,303,762)
Infamous ($1,151,330)
Road To Perdition ($104,454,762)

Yes the argument that Toy Story 3 isn't Dalton's film is utterly stupid. What makes 'Road to Perdition more Craig's film than Toy Story 3 for Dalton ? Sorry but I am completly gobsmacked by the stupidity of such argument.... it seems germanlady will alter reality in order to make her arguments true... while in fact it just makes her arguments ridicule and untrue.

Germanlady

MajorDSmythe said:

Germanlady said:
BO for DC: Age 44
Lifetime Gross Total (22): $1,054,054,270

Dalton : Age 68
1,953,705,154 BUT exclude the 1 Billion something for Toy Story, which is really not his film, you have about 900 Mill and he is a lot older.

Hold on there, Sally Box Office. You can't just remove Toy Story 3 becuase it's not Daltons film, and then turn a blind eye to the same films that litter Craigs career. Skimming over Craigs CV, at the least, you're gonna have to remove the following films and their takings, as by your rule, Craig isn't the main focus...

Elizabeth ($30,082,699)
Tintin ($77,591,831)
The Invasion ($15,074,191)
The Jacket ($6,303,762)
Infamous ($1,151,330)
Road To Perdition ($104,454,762)

Here's what Sally Box Office has to say about this:

You can't remove TinTin, as it was an acting role and not a minor one.
The Invasion was the male lead
Infamous got him an Indie Award nomination, as his was VERY much in that film
Road to Perdition was not a leading role, but certainly one, that was noticed.

Its certainly a difference, if you add minor roles, that add a little to the overall or take the biggest junk of it and make it his profit.
All the actors have gathered their totals with smaller roles, but Toy Story is a different box - go to IMDB - he is not even mentioned in the cast on the first page. That should tell you something...show me the film, where DC is not mentioned and I will scrap it. I am sure, he is in all the cast notes, which is the difference - even in his minor roles like Elizabeth or Jacket.

Germanlady

identigraph said:
The films of Connery and Moore don't have some comprehensive information in terms of worldwide box office and also inflation is a major factor, epsecially in terms of tickets sold.

Could be, but then - if it wasn't adjusted, how come Connery is up to 3 Billion? Its hardly possible, he did even more in todays money. Not even the Bond god IMO...
He did pretty well as it is. Can hardly believe that number.

DaltonCraig007

Germanlady said:

Here's what Sally Box Office has to say about this:

You can't remove TinTin, as it was an acting role and not a minor one.
The Invasion was the male lead
Infamous got him an Indie Award nomination, as his was VERY much in that film
Road to Perdition was not a leading role, but certainly one, that was noticed.

Its certainly a difference, if you add minor roles, that add a little to the overall or take the biggest junk of it and make it his profit.
All the actors have gathered their totals with smaller roles, but Toy Story is a different box - go to IMDB - he is not even mentioned in the cast on the first page. That should tell you something...show me the film, where DC is not mentioned and I will scrap it. I am sure, he is in all the cast notes, which is the difference - even in his minor roles like Elizabeth or Jacket.

Sorry but your argument is just dumb. We are not talking about which films that Dalton or Craig had the biggest role or where they were responsible for the box office gross.... we are talking about films they APPEARED IN. You are just grasping at straws and altering the facts so that your argument remains true.... but your argument is just dumb and wrong. Dalton appeared in Toy Story 3, thus the films counts in Dalton's box office resume.

I can't believe we are having such a discussion. It really seems the Craig fans will twist reality and twist every possible fact so that their lover Daniel Craig remains the best.....

SirHenryLeeChaChing

I-)

Germanlady

I have said, all I have to and stand my ground. I have made the effort to explain my opinion, whereas all you do is repeat yourself on shaky ground. But nuff said - count it all you want...

BTW - he is mentioned as Nr. 19.

DaltonCraig007

Germanlady said:
I have said, all I have to and stand my ground. Nuff said - count it all you want...

You are wrong and grasping at straws. You are not credible at all in this discussion. you should really think before posting absurd claims and arguments. you just twist facts and alter reality so your arguments remain true... while actually your argument is simply wrong and absurd to the extreme.

MajorDSmythe

Germanlady said:

MajorDSmythe said:

Germanlady said:
BO for DC: Age 44
Lifetime Gross Total (22): $1,054,054,270

Dalton : Age 68
1,953,705,154 BUT exclude the 1 Billion something for Toy Story, which is really not his film, you have about 900 Mill and he is a lot older.

Hold on there, Sally Box Office. You can't just remove Toy Story 3 becuase it's not Daltons film, and then turn a blind eye to the same films that litter Craigs career. Skimming over Craigs CV, at the least, you're gonna have to remove the following films and their takings, as by your rule, Craig isn't the main focus...

Elizabeth ($30,082,699)
Tintin ($77,591,831)
The Invasion ($15,074,191)
The Jacket ($6,303,762)
Infamous ($1,151,330)
Road To Perdition ($104,454,762)

Here's what Sally Box Office has to say about this:

You can't remove TinTin, as it was an acting role and not a minor one.
The Invasion was the male lead
Infamous got him an Indie Award nomination, as his was VERY much in that film
Road to Perdition was not a leading role, but certainly one, that was noticed.

Its certainly a difference, if you add minor roles, that add a little to the overall or take the biggest junk of it and make it his profit.
All the actors have gathered their totals with smaller roles, but Toy Story is a different box - go to IMDB - he is not even mentioned in the cast on the first page. That should tell you something...show me the film, where DC is not mentioned and I will scrap it. I am sure, he is in all the cast notes, which is the difference - even in his minor roles like Elizabeth or Jacket.

Dalton's not mentioned on the IMDB page, ok. But still, those films I listed sure as hell didn't make money because of Craig. Craig might have bothered cinema go-ers more, but any film where he's in the lead has a struggle to break even.

Jones_The_Bond

With all this obsession with box-office numbers, and dollars raked in, aren't we falling into that old Oscar Wilde trap of "knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing"?

Univex

Yes we are. Thank God someone said it. I´ve been saying it over and over: "Not the money thing again!"

Cmon guys, different tactics here. Let´s have more fun. To quote a Crown that wasn´t Pierce: "Money isn´t funny"

thelivingroyale

SkyFall2012 said:
Definitely Craig. Dalton is boring, and not only looses the style, sophistication and glamour of the Bond films, he also dragged the reviews down. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace have everything you expect from a Bond film; action, style, Aston Martin DBS & DB5, car chases, foot chases, hot women etc. Dalton makes Bond look like an assassin, which is what Bond is of course (an assassin for HMSS), but without the expensive suits or the cars. Craig is an assassin, but with the expensive suits, the cars and a body that every girl dreams about.

I rest my case!

"Dalton is boring" No he isn't

"he also dragged the reviews down" True he wasn't that popular with the audience back then but he was ahead of his time, and most critics liked him better than Moore. TLD rotten tomatoes: 83% LTK 81%

CR got I think 94% but QOS has a 65% rating, one of the lower ones for the Bond films. So actually Dalton wins on reviews so far.

Daltons films had hot women. He had an expensive, gadget filled car. There was some of the best action in the series, and he wore suits. Did you even watch his films?

DaltonCraig007 said:
I can't believe we are having such a discussion. It really seems the Craig fans will twist reality and twist every possible fact so that their lover Daniel Craig remains the best.....

This is very true.

And I don't care if Craig has made more money (which he owes to Bond anyway). I still think Dalton is a better actor and a better Bond, and that's what matters.

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