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SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Original Fans Take on SPECTRE (poll #2)

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  • I have 4 thesis questions regarding Octopussy ready and raring to go pending Beatles' review of the film.

    The answers are:
    1 Yes. She was the hottest ever in a Bond PTS.
    2 No. I found it fairly easy to ignore, besides, everyone was doing it that year. Chewie even did it in ROTJ.
    3 Not at all; in fact I loved it. People seem to miss the ironic juxtaposition. I don't even mind that he seemed to have donned it too quickly.
    4 Yeah, I bought it. And just 4 films later he'd do more than simply hang on to one.;)
    Nice try with #1, obviously you were climbing the other leg racing me to the honey trap ;)

    Unfortunately, the "no" buzzer went off on all 4 so you'll just have to wait.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded not near a volcano lair
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    As long as we all don't have to wait while listening to Rita sing the theme song.
    It is just not my favorite. But Octopussy is fun. Looking forward to this next round.
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    Nice try with #1, obviously you were climbing the other leg racing me to the honey trap ;)

    Was going to post a pic of Tina Hudson from the PTS- did a search & up popped pics not suitable for family viewing. Able to zap before the kids saw. I didn't realize she did that kind of stuff. :\">
  • Well? PM me the links already!
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    Well? PM me the links already!

    Bloody Hell! Just Google Tina Hudson pictures!
    b-(
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded not near a volcano lair
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    Hmm. I just looked her up on Imdb.
    She has one film credit only. Ha!
    I guess acting wasn't her thing ...
  • I saw the Playboy cover. And her figure(s) are indeed perfectly rounded in proportion ;)
  • Just wanted to advise everyone that due to the death of a friend, combined with the Labor Day holiday weekend, Beatles will not be posting his review of Octopussy for a few days yet. He was apologetic but I assured him that everyone understands and to do what he needs to do, we will see him when he is able.
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    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs all my best wishes in your time of loss.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs all my best wishes in your time of loss.

    Indeed. After all, we have all the time in the world. My condolences.
  • An update to an earlier post- it is Encore, not Showtime, running a Labor Day Bondathon starting tonight at 8pm EST. The channel will be airing Bond films all month long, it looks like the years covered to this point will be 1962-1999.
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    While we wait to revisit Octopussy and discuss some thesis questions as well, here's a new batch of trivia from both the IMDB database and the MI6 version of the movie's trivia, which I have blended here-

    - An outtake exists of Lois Maxwell introducing her new assistant, Penelope Smallbone, to Roger Moore as "Miss Smallbush", to which Roger Moore replied "We know where your mind has been, Moneypenny!". Miss Smallbone owes her name to model Perri Small (real name Penelope Smallbone) who revealed her true identity to Albert Broccoli and he 'borrowed' it for "Octopussy".

    - Rumors abounded prior to the film's release that Sean Connery was going to appear in the film alongside Moore, possibly as the villain. There have been similar claims on and off ever since.

    - The tiger at the foot of Kamal's stairs is the same one that "roars" out of the jungle at 007 during the chase. It was loaned to the production by the owner of the house.

    - Would anyone outside the UK understand the scene in which Bond tells a tiger to "Sit!"? It was a joke at the expense of Barbara Woodhouse, a popular though completely potty UK TV celebrity of the early '80s whose remarkable talent for taming and training pets made her a household name for a while.

    - This is the first film since "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" that Bond enters M's office carrying the iconic trilby hat, harping back to the Connery era. It is the only occasion Roger Moore is seen with the hat.

    - There are two rather quick dawns in the Indian sequences - the first is when Bond escapes into the jungle and Khan organizes a hunt to pursue him. The second is during the film's climax. Gobinda notes that the girls outside the mansion are "selling themselves", though it's actually the dead of night, and then when Bond sets off after Octopussy just a few minutes later, it's broad daylight.

    - When Bond bends metal bars surrounding a window, after weakening them with acid, a brief musical cue of the theme from Superman (1978) can be heard.

    - Louis Jourdan had previously been considered for the role of Hugo Drax in "Moonraker" [1979].

    - The French TV hosts Igor Bogdanoff and Grichka Bogdanoff were first approached for the parts of the knife-throwing twin assassins Mischka and Grischka.

    - The elephant hunt sequence had its origins in the The Man with the Golden Gun. Producer Harry Saltzman had wanted an elephant stampede in the movie so Bond and Scaramanga could chase each other on elephant back. The rest of the creative team balked at the idea, but Saltzman went to see an elephant trainer. It turns out that elephants need a special shoe on their feet to protect them from rough surfaces when they work. A few months later, while filming in Thailand, Albert R. Broccoli got a call saying his elephant shoes were ready. Harry Saltzman had apparently ordered about 2,600 pairs of them. The sequence did not end up being in "The Man with the Golden Gun" and the man who made the shoes did not get paid. As of 1990, EON Productions allegedly still owed him.

    - During casting, James Brolin was almost given the role of James Bond when at the last minute, Roger Moore agreed to play Bond again. Brolin's screen tests can be seen on the DVD. Moore had gone out of contract after Moonraker, and had agreed to return to the role one more time in For Your Eyes Only. The production went with Moore because this film would be competing with Never Say Never Again starring original and former James Bond actor and legend Sean Connery. The uncertainty in using an American actor in the role and having to introduce a new actor in going-up against Connery were the reasons. In the meantime, Oliver Tobias, Michael Billington, Timothy Dalton and Ian Ogilvy had also been considered for James Bond.

    - 13th James Bond movie in the Eon Productions series and the sixth to star Roger Moore as James Bond. With this movie, Moore equaled the number of James Bond movies that original James Bond Sean Connery had made in the official series.

    - Because of this hotel's involvement with this movie, Udaipur's Lake Palace Hotel is now nicknamed "The Octopussy Hotel".

    - A March 2001 article in the British newspaper "The Guardian" reported that this movie was still shown nightly in town at Udaipur.

    - Permission to shoot in the region of Udaipur had to be sought and granted from the reigning Royal Maharana Bagwat Singh. He would frequently entertain the A-list of the cast and crew at dinners during production where they would be served specially made Rose Wine.

    - Many production and story ideas and elements not used in the movie Moonraker ended up being utilized for this film. These included the knife throwing twins, the casting of Louis Jourdan as the villain and the Acrostar Bede jet sequence. The backgammon game was originally intended to take place in Max Kalba's club in The Spy Who Loved Me.

    - Last Bond film to reveal the name of the next Bond film during the end credits, namely "From A View to a Kill", which later dropped the "from" out of the title.

    - A video game called "James Bond as seen in Octopussy" was developed by Capcom and Parker Brothers for the this film in 1984. It was designed for the Atari 2600/5200, Commodore 64 and ColecoVision platforms but was never released. If it had been, it would have been the first ever James Bond video game with an associated title with that of an actual James Bond film. This would not happen until the next movie in the series, A View to a Kill.

    - Andy Bradford who plays 009 in this movie was also one of the Greek henchman in For Your Eyes Only. Albert Moses, who plays Sadruddin, Head of Station I in Udaipur in this film was also a bartender in Max Kalba's bar in The Spy Who Loved Me.

    - The literal translations of some of this film's foreign language titles include 007 Against Octopussy (Brazil), 007 Operação Tentáculo/Tentacle Operation (Portugal); Octopus (Finland); Operation Octopus (Italy) and 007 Averts The Plot (China)

    - On the DVD Ultimate Edition, Director John Glen comments he picked up Paul Hardwick for the role of the "Soviet Chairman" because he was a perfect Leonid Brezhnev lookalike. The same thing had happened in For Your Eyes Only, with Janet Brown and John Wells impersonating the Thatchers: Margaret Thatcher and Denis Thatcher. This was also Hardwick's final film. Ironically, Brezhnev died the year before this film's release, making the likeness anachronistic.

    - Graffiti written in green color by an unknown person/agent(s) on the Berlin Wall seen after production wrapped read: "007 WAS HERE OCTOPUSSY".

    - Whilst traveling on a plane between England and India in August 1982, Production Designer Peter Lamont was on a plane which was hijacked.

    - The film's main title song "All Time High" sung by Rita Coolidge made it to the Top 40 in the USA charts. There it charted on 2 July 1983 and went to No. #36. But the song went to the No. #1 spot on the US Billboard Adult Contemporary Charts. A cover version of the song performed by Pulp can be heard on the David Arnold Bond song compilation album, "Shaken and Stirred: the David Arnold James Bond Project". Pulp once wrote a song for Tomorrow Never Dies which was not used for that movie.

    - This is the only James Bond movie in the EON Productions official spy genre series that features the famous East Berlin - West Berlin Cold War crossing point Checkpoint Charlie.

    - As of 2013 this is the only movie in the official James Bond series to feature a woman's name i.e. Octopussy (Maud Adams) as the title of the film.

    - Octopussy is the daughter of Major Dexter Smythe, who was allowed by James Bond to commit suicide rather than be captured when his crimes of embezzlement and murder were discovered. This is the only reference to Ian Fleming's original short story "Octopussy" in the movie. The Sotheby's auction scene comes from the Ian Fleming story "Property of a Lady." The scene of 009 trying to escape East Germany is an allusion to Fleming's "The Living Daylights." The line "Spend the money quickly, Mr Bond" spoken by a villain who loses to Bond at a gambling table, is paraphrased from the Moonraker novel.

    - An octopus is said to have inspired the title of the original Octopussy short story. Octopussy was also the name of a coracle given to Ian Fleming by friend, neighbor and lover Blanche Blackwell as a present for staying at Goldeneye. Ian Fleming derived the "Pussy" name itself from agent Pussy Deakin aka Livia Stela. The Octopussy name specifically is said to have been named after Fleming's pet octopus. Ian Fleming based the character of Pussy Galore in the novel (and later film) Goldfinger on Blanche Blackwell.

    - The "Octopussy" short story was first published in Playboy Magazine being serialized two years after Fleming's death in the March and April 1966 editions. It was also the final James Bond short story written by Ian Fleming.

    - Product placements, brand integrations and promotional tie-ins for this movie include Land Rover; Mont Blanc Pens; Seiko Watches including the Seiko TV and G757 Sports 100 watches; Enco (ExxonMobil); and Alfa Romeo, Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes cars.

    - Octopussy's bed was designed in the shape of an octopus by Peter Lamont.

    - The key image of this movie's poster had Octopussy entangling James Bond with eight arms as if they were eight tentacles. Each hand and arm was positioned in a different position around James Bond's tuxedo. The eight positions included an arm and hand doing the following: (1) Holding the Fabergé Egg (2) Grasping his gun (3) Holding a martini glass (4) Touching the back of his neck and left ear (5) Stroking his bow-tie (6) Pinching his coat button (7) Holding a knife and (8) Stroking the shirt on his chest.

    - The black and white Octopus insignia was a symbol of SPECTRE, the criminal spy organization seen in other James Bond movies. However, in both the short story and movie Octopussy it has no connection to either story. Even if the producers had wanted to resurrect the Octopus symbol for this movie, the legal settlement with Kevin McClory gave him all the rights to the use of SPECTRE (see Never Say Never Again) and as such the black-and-white octopus insignia could not have been used in this movie. The type of octopus seen on the Octopussy girls' bodies was different: it was a blue ringed octopus. In the movie, this symbol was a sign of an old secret order of female bandits and smugglers.

    - An early draft of the script cast Octopussy as the villain, using her research on Tracy Bond's death to manipulate Bond into joining her vendetta against SPECTRE. The ongoing legal battle with Kevin McClory put an end to that.

    - One of Ian Fleming's James Bond source short stories for this movie, 1963's "The Property of a Lady" (a title acknowledged in the film via Jim Fanning's reference book) was set in Sotheby's auction house both in the book and film. The story was first published in their trade journal "The Ivory Hammer" before being printed in the back of the reissue of the Octopussy book. Ironically though, the two largest auctions of James Bond memorabilia ever held, on 17 September 1998 and 14 February 2001, were actually conducted by rival house Christie's.

    - A hand with a pair of eights in the card game Texas Hold 'Em Poker is called an "Octopussy". A hand with a pair of eights is actually seen in the later James Bond movie Casino Royale in which this card game is a major feature.

    - The film's "All Time High" main title song sung by Rita Coolidge is the first Bond theme song not to feature the title of the movie anywhere in its lyrics. Casino Royale's "You Know My Name" by Chris Cornell is the second whilst the Jack White and Alicia Keys' song "Another Way To Die" from Quantum of Solace is the third.

    - Vehicles featured included an Acrostar Mini Jet aka a Bede Jet; yellow and black three-wheeled Indian Auto Rickshaw Tuk-Tuk Company Taxis; a dark gray metallic Alfa Romeo GTV 6 Quadrifoglio; a white Volkswagen Beetle or VW bug; various Mercedes makes including a black Mercedes-Benz 250 SE, Mercedes-Benz 600 Pullman and Mercedes-Benz 240D; Kamal Khan's black Rolls Royce Phantom III car and private Beechcraft C-45 'Twin Beech' (twin-engine) Beech 18 airplane; Q's Hot Air Balloon; a one-person Crocodile water-vessel; five BMW 5 series sedans and a BMW motorcycle for the West German police vehicles; Octopussy's S-class steam Circus Train; Octopussy's ten-crewed lake barge; a Range Rover convertible; Army Truck and Willys jeep; GAZ-24 Volga driven by General Orlov when chasing Bond; and Aerospatiale SA 316B III Alouette and Aerospatiale SA-365C helicopters.

    - The buzz saw yo-yo was an idea conceived by writer George MacDonald Fraser.

    - The Acrostar Jet was 12 feet long with a single micro-turbo jet engine TRS-18. It could fly at 160 mph and soar at 310 mph and reach 30,000 feet with a climbing rate of 2500 feet per minute. It was piloted and owned by J.W. 'Corkey' Fornof of Louisiana who had been an uncredited aviation consultant on Moonraker and also worked on Licence to Kill as a pilot.

    - First James Bond movie to be released with the MGM Lion logo at the beginning. MGM merged with United Artists in 1982, the year before the release of Octopussy and this is the first Bond movie distributed by the new company, MGM/UA Distribution Co.

    - The Octopussy character was originally intended to be a villainess and in the media at the time it was reported that Faye Dunaway was being considered for this part. Sybil Danning and Persis Khambatta were also contenders.

    - It was not a planned part of the Indian cabbie chase sequence when a cyclist rode between the two battling vehicles, providing added suspense.

    - Footage of Roger Moore and Kristina Wayborn in bed shown in one of the film's trailers is not included in the film itself.

    - Another actor was hired in addition to Vijay Amritraj when there was a dispute with Actor's Equity because Armitraj was not a member of the actor's union. However, Albert R. Broccoli asked his friend Leonard Goldberg to arrange a guest appearance for Vijay on the American TV series "Fantasy Island" in order to receive SAG membership and subsequent Equity approval.

    - Stuntman Martin Grace had a serious accident while filming on the train. Hanging on the side of it, the train went into a non-assessed area of the track and he rammed into a pylon, seriously damaging his leg and hip and hospitalizing him for several months. He made a full recovery. In a similar vein, the actor who uses the buzz saw yo-yo broke his arm when he fell over the balcony onto Octopussy's bed. Despite his injury and having to wear a cast, he insisted on completing the rest of his scenes.

    - In the train-flying car stunt, when the car landed, one of the stunt men dressed as a fisherman only just made it out of the row boat in the lake where the car was landing. This footage can be seen in the finished film.

    - Ken Burns, an extra working on the film at the Nene Valley train location was allowed to film a Super-8 six minute movie of the filming at the Peterborough, England location. This movie, Ken Burns On-Set Movie, is now available to view on the Ultimate Edition DVD of the movie. The short includes footage of Roger Moore and Michael G. Wilson and focuses on machinery and filmmaking mechanics. The sixteen year old extra was playing an East German Border Guard and lived near to the location. He was affectionately known on the set as the "3rd Unit". Note that Ken Burns should never be confused with celebrated American documentarian Ken Burns.

    - The "company" taxi used to pick up 007 was specially constructed at Pinewood Studios, and capable of speeds in excess of 70mph.

    - Q appears as an active participant in a mission for the first time, as opposed to being behind the scenes.

    - The Acrostar plane used in the pre-title sequence is now hanging from the ceiling of a restaurant in Clearwater Florida, USA.

    - Octopussy's island located in Udaipur, India is also known as the "City of Sunrise".

    - In a break with tradition, Roger Moore uses the Walther P-5 throughout much of the film, a replacement for the Walther PPK he loses in the bazaar chase. In the competing Bond film of the same year, Never Say Never Again, Sean Connery also uses a P-5.

    - The Fabergé Egg as seen in the movie was actually the Imperial Coronation Egg designed by Peter Carl Fabergé. It was made 1897 to commemorate the 1894 Coronation of Tsar Nicholas II. The jeweled egg contains a model of a Coronation Coach; a guilloché field of starbursts with a translucent lime yellow enameling on the exterior surface; trellised greenish gold laurel leave bands have mounted at each intersection point an opaque black enamelled Imperial gold double-headed eagle with a rose diamond on their chest; on the top is a large portrait diamond with a cluster of ten smaller diamonds; and a smaller portrait diamond is set within a cluster of rose diamonds at the reverse end. The egg is also known as "Lilies of the Valley" but it is never called this in the film. Almost twenty years later the egg would re-appear in the movie Ocean's Twelve.

    - Kristina Wayborn broke several toes in her foot while shooting the attack on the Monsoon Palace by Octopussy's Circus. A bazooka she was to kick out of a thug's arms was supposed to be replaced with a plastic model, but the stuntman was holding a metal one by accident.

    - Filming of the 12 foot Acrostar Jet as it flew through the hangar was achieved by attaching the aircraft to an old Jaguar by a steel pole with the roof torn off and driving along. The second unit were able to add obstacles such as people and objects to complete the illusion that Roger Moore was actually flying his tiny plane through an aircraft hangar. The exploding hangar pieces were four inches high.

    - Vijay Amritraj plays a snake charmer. In reality, Amritraj is terrified of snakes and was virtually unable to take part in any of the action.

    - Though an Indian location had been previously mooted for Live and Let Die, India only really became a choice when location scouts came across the city of Udaipur and its local leader allowed full co-operation and access to its architecturally stunning

    - The quip at the end of the opening sequence - "Fill her up" - was initially removed by John Glen. It was only when he went to his local cinema and caught the trailer for "Octopussy" (which included the line) and saw how well it went down with the audiences that he reinstated it.

    - "Octopussy and The Living Daylights" was the 14th and the final Ian Fleming James Bond book published in 1966. Sometimes released as just "Octopussy", it was the second posthumous book in the series after "The Man With The Golden Gun". Before he died, Fleming had intended to produce a second book of James Bond short stories like the "For Your Eyes Only" collection.

    - The film's Royal World Premiere was held on 6 June 1983 at London's Odeon Leicester Square Theatre in the presence of British Royals Prince Charles and Princess Diana of England.

    - The music video for the film's title song "All Time High" features Rita Coolidge at an Indian Palace which in reality is actually one of the movie's filming locations at the Royal Pavilion, Brighton, East Sussex, England.

    - During pre-production, there were some concerns of how a movie with this title would be received.

    - Kristina Wayborn as Magda says a romantic au revoir to James Bond by way of an elegant elegiac window exit. She actually performed this stunt herself, swirling down to the ground, her dress acting as her support and being unwound as she alighted safely to the ground. Weyborn's departure was filmed in two different locations: her fall from the balcony was filmed at Pinewood Studios in England and her landing was filmed on location in India.

    - The wristwatch with a television monitor is known as the "Liquid Crystal TV Seiko," model T001-5019. Two physical watches were supplied to the production. The screen on the retail version available to consumers was black and white only.

    - The exterior of the Monsoon Palace was used for shooting. However, the interior of the palace is in reality not inhabited. The interior shots were all done in a studio.

    - Barbara Parkins auditioned and was considered for the role of Octopussy before Maud Adams was cast. Parkins previously starred with Roger Moore in Shout at the Devil

    - Some of the exterior scenes at the Circus (set in Germany), were actually filmed at the American Air force Base at Upper Heyford, England. This is especially seen when Bond is driving through the unguarded main gate, when he crashes through the barricade on the flight line, and the wide shot of the circus performer trailers. F-111 aircraft can be seen in the back round. These were the actual aircraft stationed at the base at that time.

    - The locomotive used in the film is the former DSB S 740, from the DSB (Danish State Railway). In total 20 (DSB S 720-740) of these engines were build between 1924-1928. It was built for the local traffic around Copenhagen, Hillerod and Helsingor. It weighed 98 tons and had a max speed at 90 km/h. DSB S 740 was sold to Mike Bradley in 1979, and it was used at The Nene Valley Railway, a preserved railway in Cambridgeshire, England, where the scenes with the train in this film are recorded. In 1995 it came back to Denmark and is now owned by the Nordsjællands Veterantog, a danish railroad society. In the movie the train is "disguised" as a German type DRG-Baureihe 62. But the last engine, 62 003 of this type, was retired in 1968.

    - Fatima Whitbread was offered a featured role.

    - Bond's pre-titles tetrytol explosives have a use-by date of 10th March 1983.

    - Although supposed to be Cuba, Northholt Airport in London was the setting for the pre-title sequence.

    - During filming, Roger Moore was misdiagnosed with heart problems. When he got home Maud Adams had her boyfriend who was a doctor give him a second opinion. He pronounced him medically fit.

    - The first acting role for Vijay Amritraj, a pro tennis player attempting to transition into an acting career. Parts of his role as Vijay involved inside jokes relating to his tennis career.

    - Barbara Carrera turned down the role of Octopussy in order to appear in the competing Bond film Never Say Never Again because she wanted to work with Sean Connery.

    - Kabir Bedi remains the only Bollywood actor to appear in a James Bond movie.

    - Ramon Sanchez (Writer, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan) spoke to Octopussy producer Michael G. Wilson in the 1980's. Wilson related his concern that it could be the end of the James Bond Movie series pointing out that Sean Connery was returning as James Bond in other film/s not made by EON (Everything or Nothing) productions. He was careful not to reveal copyright material, so to help him, a concept was needed, that would beat anything that the opposing movie studio could come up with. Sanchez gave Wilson a concept that eventually made its way to the film: a female villain with a female criminal organization, running a circus as a front with a train. Wilson approved and then asked Sanchez how to resolve a hitch, a small problem in the story and a big problem in the screenplay. He explained that the Ian Fleming story was a short story of gold embezzlement and murder by a government man that James Bond cornered. That story was too short for a movie, and he could not justify calling this movie Octopussy if the concept for the film was not remotely close to the short story. He had to link the two stories together, make the result longer and squeeze it for all its got. Sanchez suggested that the woman lead be made not such an evil villain, but the daughter of the man in the story, Major Dexter Smythe, allowed by Bond to commit suicide rather than be captured, and that her father's pet name for her was Octopussy, tying in to the Octopussy title nicely. Make her Bond's love interest and the leading Bond Girl, and he had his story.

    - As Octopussy, the name she is only ever known by in the film, is identified as being the daughter of Major Dexter Smythe, Octopussy being a nickname, it can therefore be inferred that her real name is, at least her maiden last name / surname, would be Smythe.

    - Feldstadt is a fictitious German city created for this film.

    - Cameo: Michael G. Wilson was a passenger on the riverboat as well as a Soviet Security Council Member.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    @SirHenryLeeChaChing thank you for the huge amount of information. I have to correct, again, a mistake in your post concerning the title in Portugal. It was, in fact, 007 Operação Tentáculo (Tentacle Operation).
    I like Octopussy very much, despite it's many problems. I certainly have no illusions as to its real quality but I find it so enjoyable! It's probably my most watched Bond film and it's interesting that it was released the year I was born.
  • "ELEPHANT SHOES". Those are always the first thoughts that enter my mind whenever Harry Saltzman (God bless him) is mentioned :-)
  • @Sandy- thanks for the correction. I fixed that so it is correct. You should let IMDB know too so they can fix these things I've reprinted.

    @Willy- that and Harry's words regarding the Goldfinger theme (from the Burlingame Bond book) to Barry- "The worst song I ever heard in my goddamn life. It's terrible. If we weren't opening in 3 weeks, I'd take it out". Clearly, Harry had his issues in quite a few areas, his investments on top of the pile.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache/The Bondologist Blog
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    Wow, thanks for assembling all of that fascinating trivia there, @SirHenryLeeChaChing!
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    @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache/The Bondologist Blog
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    @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".

    Yes, he didn't like it at all, I believe. Saw this on the UE DVD recently.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded not near a volcano lair
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    But Harry did help launch Michael Caine's career, I think. So that was one very good decision/action on his part. I so love Michael Caine.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".

    Perhaps. But he did produce "the Battle of Britain' which has some of the best military music in history in it (the Luftwaffe march)...
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    @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".

    Paraphrased from the Burlingame book, a treasure trove of information on Bond music I must say-

    Yes indeed he did, he thought McCartney's recording was just a demo of the song and started suggesting names like Thelma Houston as possible singers, not realizing differently until Martin advised him that Paul and Wings were also the performers and that if they didn't agree, Paul would just keep it for himself. Although he professed to like the song, ever the musical genius, Harry asked Hamilton what he thought about what Martin just said. Hamilton said it wasn't "exactly his bag" but that one would have to be an idiot not to go along with it, so Harry did.

    Ever hear the stories about Harry and restaurants? Those are absolutely hilarious :))

  • @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".

    Paraphrased from the Burlingame book, a treasure trove of information on Bond music I must say-

    Yes indeed he did, he thought McCartney's recording was just a demo of the song and started suggesting names like Thelma Houston as possible singers, not realizing differently until Martin advised him that Paul and Wings were also the performers and that if they didn't agree, Paul would just keep it for himself. Althought he professed to like the song, ever the musical genius, Harry asked Hamilton what he thought about what Martin just said. Hamilton said it wasn't "exactly his bag" but that one would have to be an idiot not to go along with it, so Harry did.

    Ever hear the stories about Harry and restaurants? Those are absolutely hilarious :))

    Vaguely I think. Didn't he like to order food only to complain and send it back, including that of all his guests regardless of whether they were famished?
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache/The Bondologist Blog
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    @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".

    Paraphrased from the Burlingame book, a treasure trove of information on Bond music I must say-

    Yes indeed he did, he thought McCartney's recording was just a demo of the song and started suggesting names like Thelma Houston as possible singers, not realizing differently until Martin advised him that Paul and Wings were also the performers and that if they didn't agree, Paul would just keep it for himself. Althought he professed to like the song, ever the musical genius, Harry asked Hamilton what he thought about what Martin just said. Hamilton said it wasn't "exactly his bag" but that one would have to be an idiot not to go along with it, so Harry did.

    Ever hear the stories about Harry and restaurants? Those are absolutely hilarious :))

    Vaguely I think. Didn't he like to order food only to complain and send it back, including that of all his guests regardless of whether they were famished?
    He did indeed. Roald Dahl had a similar streak in him.
  • @Dragonpol Didn't Harry also ask who should be brought in to sing Live and Let Die - having just heard the Paul McCartney recording??

    I think when it came to making any sort of decision, Harry's son Steven said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here):

    "Just because you know about food, doesn't mean you can run a restaurant".

    Paraphrased from the Burlingame book, a treasure trove of information on Bond music I must say-

    Yes indeed he did, he thought McCartney's recording was just a demo of the song and started suggesting names like Thelma Houston as possible singers, not realizing differently until Martin advised him that Paul and Wings were also the performers and that if they didn't agree, Paul would just keep it for himself. Althought he professed to like the song, ever the musical genius, Harry asked Hamilton what he thought about what Martin just said. Hamilton said it wasn't "exactly his bag" but that one would have to be an idiot not to go along with it, so Harry did.

    Ever hear the stories about Harry and restaurants? Those are absolutely hilarious :))

    Vaguely I think. Didn't he like to order food only to complain and send it back, including that of all his guests regardless of whether they were famished?
    Basically this is the gist. At one such event, with Sir Roger desperately insisting his was fine, Cubby quipped to him "If Harry had been at the Last Supper, he'd have sent that back too!" =))
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    Sounds like a great way for someone to spit on your food. Or worse.
  • pachazo said:

    Sounds like a great way for someone to spit on your food. Or worse.

    No doubt exactly what Harry's guests feared, as he was apparently very vocal about it and extended his views past just the chef to the entire restaurant. My late mother, rest her soul, reminded me of Harry. If she wasn't happy with her meal, or there wasn't enough head on her beer, back it went. She felt that if she was going to pay for something, she wanted her monies worth. Unlike Harry, she was very quiet about it and didn't become rude or indignant. We still used to tease her about looking at and smelling her return ;)
  • I'm useless at complaining. I just get too embarrassed to do it and usually if my partner/friend/family member complains, I'll excuse myself from the table or just hide behind a menu! X_X
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache/The Bondologist Blog
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    I'm useless at complaining. I just get too embarrassed to do it and usually if my partner/friend/family member complains, I'll excuse myself from the table or just hide behind a menu! X_X

    Me too. I keep a low profile and don't like to be rude with those who prepare or deliver the food. But people have definitely become much more outspoken with time.
  • A friend of mine once kicked off in a restaurant where we had just eaten breakfast. To be fair, he had every right to complain because it was a shocking meal. I went bright red though because the poor young waiter was getting it both barrells and I thought he was going to cry. I felt so sorry for the lad. I just got up and waited outside. I'm such a coward. James Bond I am not!
  • We can have you two in the new Bond film and call you "The Milquetoast Twins" ;)
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