Rank the Main Villains

00Beast

I don't believe we have a thread like this, so I guess I'll start one up! The title says it all, so start ranking!

1. Alec Trevelyan
2. Max Zorin
3. Franz Sanchez
4. Francisco Scaramanga
5. Dr. Julius No
6. Dr. Kananga/Mr. Big
7. Elliot Carver
8. Kamal Khan
9. Le Chiffre
10. Emilio Largo
11. Ernst Stavro Blofeld
12. Aristotle Kristatos
13. Rosa Klebb
14. Auric Goldfinger
15. Elektra King
16. General Georgi Koskov
17. Karl Stromberg
18. Brad Whitaker
19. General Orlov
20. Hugo Drax
21. Dominic Greene
22. Gustav Graves

forgotmyusername

Impressive.

Sanchez has to be number 1, because he was so charming and had the best lines - loved him. Grant no .2

I think King and Goldfinger should be next followed by Orlov.

That's my top 5. I can't do 22.

00Beast

@forgotmyusername: It is extremely difficult, and it took me a few minutes of painstaking thought process! Hahaha. I agree about Sanchez being in the top five; he is easily the greatest thing about LTK along with Timothy.

CraigMooreOHMSS

1. Alec Trevelyan
2. Scaramanga (Easily the best thing about TMWTGG)
3. Blofeld as portrayed by Telly Savalas.
4. Goldfinger
5. Le Chiffre
6. Franz Sanchez
7. Dr. Julius No.
8. Emilio Largo
9. Elektra King
10. Max Zorin
11. Rosa Klebb
12. Dr. Kananga/Mr.Big
13. Karl Stromberg
14. Elliot Carver
15. Hugo Drax
16. Aristotle Kristatos
17. Kamal Khan
18. Georgi Koskov
19. Gustav Graves
20. Dominic Greene
21. General Orlov
22. Brad Whitaker

00Beast

@CraigMooreOHMSS: Seems like our top ten is very similiar; I appluad you, sir! However, I am quite curious about the positions of Hugo Drax, Gustav Graves, and Brad Whitaker. The first two are much lower on my list and the last is higher on mine. Also, Kamal Khan at 17? Not criticizing in the least, just wondering!

PrinceKamalKhan

001) Francisco Scaramanga
002) Auric Goldfinger
003) General Orlov
004) Rosa Klebb
005) Dr. No
006) Franz Sanchez
007) Ernst Stavro Blofeld #1(Donald Pleasance)
008) Sir Hugo Drax
009) Ernst Stavro Blofeld #2(Telly Savalas)
0010) Prince Kamal Khan
0011) Emilio Largo
0012) 006
0013) Le Chiffre
0014) Ernst Stavro Blofeld #3(Charles Gray)
0015) Elliot Carver
0016) Elektra King
0017) Karl Stromberg
0018) Max Zorin
0019) Dr. Kananga
0020) Georgi Koskov
0021) Sir Gustav Graves
0022) Brad Whitaker
0023) Dominic Greene
0024) Ari Kristatos
0025) Renard

wildboonjive

This is certainly going to be an exercise... but let me try anyway:

1. Franz Sanchez
2. Dr. Julius No
3. Francisco Scaramanga
4. Max Zorin
5. Ernst Stavro Blofeld
6. Auric Goldfinger
7. Alec Trevelyan
8. Rosa Klebb
9. Hugo Drax
10. Emilio Largo
11. Dr. Kananga/Mr. Big
12. Elektra King
13. Elliot Carver
14. Karl Stromberg
15. General Orlov
16. Dominic Greene
17. Aristotle Kristatos
18. Gustav Graves
19. Kamal Khan
20. Le Chiffre
21. Brad Whitaker
22. Georgi Koskov

CraigMooreOHMSS

00Beast said:
@CraigMooreOHMSS: Seems like our top ten is very similiar; I appluad you, sir! However, I am quite curious about the positions of Hugo Drax, Gustav Graves, and Brad Whitaker. The first two are much lower on my list and the last is higher on mine. Also, Kamal Khan at 17? Not criticizing in the least, just wondering!

Well. The one thing I will say about Graves is that while he was a totally ridiculous character and was too campy, he entertained me enough not to be the worst Bond villain. Drax deserved to be in a better film, he had some genuinely good moments and lines. Whitaker always annoyed me, but even apart from that, he didn't really have enough screentime to make an impact.

Kamal Khan never really did it for me. He was sneaky and a bit of a creep alright, but I personally don't find him very memorable. He only had one or two good lines. He just didn't really do it for me :)

00Beast

CraigMooreOHMSS said:

00Beast said:
@CraigMooreOHMSS: Seems like our top ten is very similiar; I appluad you, sir! However, I am quite curious about the positions of Hugo Drax, Gustav Graves, and Brad Whitaker. The first two are much lower on my list and the last is higher on mine. Also, Kamal Khan at 17? Not criticizing in the least, just wondering!

Well. The one thing I will say about Graves is that while he was a totally ridiculous character and was too campy, he entertained me enough not to be the worst Bond villain. Drax deserved to be in a better film, he had some genuinely good moments and lines. Whitaker always annoyed me, but even apart from that, he didn't really have enough screentime to make an impact.

Kamal Khan never really did it for me. He was sneaky and a bit of a creep alright, but I personally don't find him very memorable. He only had one or two good lines. He just didn't really do it for me :)

All right, all right, I can dig that! Haha. I always liked Kamal Khan; it was Orlov that never did it for me. He was much too over the top and didn't have barely any interaction with 007 to matter that much. He also annoys me greatly in that Soviet Union meeting scene.

OHMSS69

I cannot rank all 22 I can only do the top (one or two) and the bottom (one or two)
Top
Auric Goldfinger--he really set the standard for Bond villians.
Ernst Stavro Blofelf from OHMSS

Bottom Feeders:
Georgie Koskov was to much of a bon vivant and likable. Not traits I want in Bond villians.
Ernst Stavro Blofeld from DAF way too charming to be evil and he seemed kinda "sissy"

Kerim

I recall this being on the original board, but maybe not here.

Anyways (main villians per film):

1. Sanchez
2. Blofeld (Savalas)
3. Scaramanga
4. Dr No
5. Trevelyan
6. Zorin
7. Drax
8. Le Chiffre
9. Klebb
10. Khan
11. King
12. Goldfinger
13. Largo
14. Kristatos
15. Kananga
16. Blofeld (Pleasance)
17. Carver
18. Whitaker
19. Greene
20. Stromberg
21. Blofeld (Gray)
22. Graves

CraigMooreOHMSS

00Beast said:

CraigMooreOHMSS said:

00Beast said:
@CraigMooreOHMSS: Seems like our top ten is very similiar; I appluad you, sir! However, I am quite curious about the positions of Hugo Drax, Gustav Graves, and Brad Whitaker. The first two are much lower on my list and the last is higher on mine. Also, Kamal Khan at 17? Not criticizing in the least, just wondering!

Well. The one thing I will say about Graves is that while he was a totally ridiculous character and was too campy, he entertained me enough not to be the worst Bond villain. Drax deserved to be in a better film, he had some genuinely good moments and lines. Whitaker always annoyed me, but even apart from that, he didn't really have enough screentime to make an impact.

Kamal Khan never really did it for me. He was sneaky and a bit of a creep alright, but I personally don't find him very memorable. He only had one or two good lines. He just didn't really do it for me :)

All right, all right, I can dig that! Haha. I always liked Kamal Khan; it was Orlov that never did it for me. He was much too over the top and didn't have barely any interaction with 007 to matter that much. He also annoys me greatly in that Soviet Union meeting scene.

Octopussy was a film that really didn't have one lead villain for me. Nobody stands out very much. It's the first Moore entry that feels like Bond is taking on a 'evil syndicat' rather than one bad guy. I always liked it, and it works rather well, but there's actually so many villains in it when you think about it, and none of them really elevate themselves above the others.

Baltimore_007

This all sounds vaguely familiar and I wouldn't even know how (it could be tricky) to put an order of Top 20 + main bad guys, do I have a favorite one even who was that overly bad than anyone below them?

I'll have a go, but this is only a brief outlining, I'd probably re-order by Tuesday next week

#1 Francisco Scaramanga
#2 Dr Julius No
#3 Mr Big (Doctor Kananga)
#4 Franz Sanchez
#5 Kamal Khan
#6 who was main villain in FRWL, can I say Donald Grant, I thought Shaw did a fine job
#7 Hugo Drax
#8 Blofeld 1969 (Telly Savalas)
#9 Largo (Thunderball)
#10 Blofeld 1967 (Donald Pleasance)
#11 Alec Trevelyan
#12 Stromberg
#13 Max Zorin
#14 Goldfinger
#15 Blofeld 1971 (Charles Gray)
#16 Brad Whitaker
#17 Gustav Graves
#18 Aris Kristatos
#19 LeChiffre
#20 Renard

I'm content enough with that

00Beast

CraigMooreOHMSS said:

00Beast said:

CraigMooreOHMSS said:

00Beast said:
@CraigMooreOHMSS: Seems like our top ten is very similiar; I appluad you, sir! However, I am quite curious about the positions of Hugo Drax, Gustav Graves, and Brad Whitaker. The first two are much lower on my list and the last is higher on mine. Also, Kamal Khan at 17? Not criticizing in the least, just wondering!

Well. The one thing I will say about Graves is that while he was a totally ridiculous character and was too campy, he entertained me enough not to be the worst Bond villain. Drax deserved to be in a better film, he had some genuinely good moments and lines. Whitaker always annoyed me, but even apart from that, he didn't really have enough screentime to make an impact.

Kamal Khan never really did it for me. He was sneaky and a bit of a creep alright, but I personally don't find him very memorable. He only had one or two good lines. He just didn't really do it for me :)

All right, all right, I can dig that! Haha. I always liked Kamal Khan; it was Orlov that never did it for me. He was much too over the top and didn't have barely any interaction with 007 to matter that much. He also annoys me greatly in that Soviet Union meeting scene.

Octopussy was a film that really didn't have one lead villain for me. Nobody stands out very much. It's the first Moore entry that feels like Bond is taking on a 'evil syndicat' rather than one bad guy. I always liked it, and it works rather well, but there's actually so many villains in it when you think about it, and none of them really elevate themselves above the others.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. That tends to happen in the the Bond movies with more than one main villain, like FRWL, OP, TLD, and TWINE. It is hard to determine which is the actual leader; only for FRWL and TWINE could I determine which is the leader. In these cases, Rosa Klebb and Elektra King are who I consider the main villain. For OP and TLD, it's a draw, I could never figure it out!

Whitaker1987

1. Whitaker
2. Blofeld YOLT
3 Red Grant
4. Largo
5. Hugo Drax
6. Dr No
7. Kamal Khan
8. Scaramanga
9. Goldfinger
10. Le Chiffre
11. Klebb
12. Zorin
11. Renard
12. Blofeld OHMSS
13. Sanchez
14. Kananga
15. Kristatos
16. Carve
17. Graves
18. Trevelyan
19. Orlov
20. King
21 Medrano
22 Greene
23 Koskov

sirseanisbond

1. Blofeld
2. Goldfinger
3. Scaramanga
4. Dr. No
5. Largo
6. Red Grant
7. Sanchez
8. Kananga
9. Jaws
10. Odd Job
11. Le Chiffre
12. King
13. Onatopp
14. Trevelyan
15. Stromberg
16. Kristatos
17. Klebb
18. Khan
19. Drax
20. Zorin
21. Renard
22. Graves
23. Carver
24. Greene
25. Whitaker

thelivingroyale

Not sure about all of them but my top 10

1. Sanchez
2. Blofeld
3. Trevelayn
4. Goldfinger
5. Stromberg
6. Scaramanga
8. Largo
9. Renard
10. Zorin

licensetoforum

I'll just do my top ten for now.
1. Red Grant- He may be more of a henchman, but Robert Shaw is amazing in the movie. I think it is the best time where a villian was Bond's absoluete equal (maybe even better than Bond.)
2. Scaramanga- Chirstopher Lee shows why he is beloved by many. He makes the climax so much more interesting with his propsal to Bond beforehand.
3. Sanchez- Good to see a villian who is consumed by something more than power, in this case loyalty.
4. Blofeld, mainly because of Telly Slavas- I think OHMSS perfected Blofeld. I just love how Bond acts exactly what Blofeld's plan is, and he calmly states how that will remain his business.
5. Hugo Drax- Not sure why.

00Beast

@licensetoforum: I've always found Hugo Drax to be a horribly boring main villain. Sure, I know that Michael Lonsdale might have been shooting for a more low-key performance, rather than hamming it up like Gray's Blofeld or Frobe's Goldfinger, but he really doesn't seem threatening in the least. That's one of my qualms about Moonraker; Drax just simply doesn't cut it with me.

Kerim

licensetoforum said:
I'll just do my top ten for now.
1. Red Grant- He may be more of a henchman, but Robert Shaw is amazing in the movie. I think it is the best time where a villian was Bond's absoluete equal (maybe even better than Bond.)
2. Scaramanga- Chirstopher Lee shows why he is beloved by many. He makes the climax so much more interesting with his propsal to Bond beforehand.
3. Sanchez- Good to see a villian who is consumed by something more than power, in this case loyalty.
4. Blofeld, mainly because of Telly Slavas- I think OHMSS perfected Blofeld. I just love how Bond acts exactly what Blofeld's plan is, and he calmly states how that will remain his business.
5. Hugo Drax- Not sure why.

Love your 6-10 rankings.

:D

licensetoforum

Man oh man Kerim I must be having an off day.

commandbond007

1. Red Grant
2. LeChiffe
3. Dr.No
4. Largo
5. Goldfinger
6.Trevelyan
7. Rose klebb
8. Dominic Greene

The rest of the villain are weak/lame

Baltimore_007

LeChiffre #2 ?!, and Greene #8 ?!, (out of a list of 20 + best main villains)

I was just surprised above all else, I should elaborate, that I found LeChiffre something between invisible and non existent, his main distinguishing characteristic perhaps was a weeping blood clot, he hardly ever raised his voice, and had a minor tantrum at the casino tables when Bond ordered a fancy drink

I think what it is, was the genitals sequence on the boat that people remember, but I was looking away kind of embarrassed rather than feel threatened or intimidated by the LeChiffre character, think he was one of the worst Bond adversaries ever, but to each their own, I was just a bit bemused maybe

royale65

1. Max Zorin
2. Franz Sanchez
3. Dr No
4. Le Chiffre
5. Francisco Scaramanga
6. Blowers (Telly)
7. Rosa Klebb
8. Auric Goldfinger
9. Hugo Drax
10. Alex Trevelyan

I think that is mine.......

00Beast

commandbond007 said:
1. Red Grant
2. LeChiffe
3. Dr.No
4. Largo
5. Goldfinger
6.Trevelyan
7. Rose klebb
8. Dominic Greene

The rest of the villain are weak/lame

Really? You don't like Dr. Kananga, Francisco Scaramanga, Franz Sanchez, or Ernst Stavro Blofeld? I could see all of the others, but not even these four?

thelivingroyale

commandbond007 said:
1. Red Grant
2. LeChiffe
3. Dr.No
4. Largo
5. Goldfinger
6.Trevelyan
7. Rose klebb
8. Dominic Greene

The rest of the villain are weak/lame

The rest of the villains are weak/lame? And you included f*cking Greene??? What about Sanchez, no villain has ever been as threatening. Or Blofeld, thanks to him Bonds wife was killed! There's also Scaramanga, Drax, Zorin, I could go on.

Sharky

I found this quite difficult, i didn't think i would but i have, anyway here goes:

1. Franz Sanchez
2. Francisco Scaramanga
3. Auric Goldfinger
4. Ernst Stavro Blofeld (YOLT)
5. Red Grant
6. Max Zorin
7. Dr No
8. Ernst Stavro Blofeld (OHMSS)
9. Le Chiffre
10. Emilio Largo
11. Alec Trevalyn
12. Aris Kristatos
13. Elektra King
14. Hugo Drax
15. Dr Kananga/Mr Big
16. Ernst Stravo Blofeld (DAF)
17. Karl Stromberg
18. Kamal Khan
19. General Koskov
20. Elliott Carver
21. Brad Whitaker
22. Dominic Greene
23. Gustav Graves

JBFan626

1. Dr. No
2. Blofeld (Anthony Dawson Version) FRWL/TB
3. Red Grant
4. Scaramanga
5. Blofeld (Telly Savalas Version) OHMSS

thelion

1. Zorin
2. Silva
3. Scramanga
4. Sanchez
5. Trevelyan
6. Blofeld ( Savalas)
7. Dr. No
8. Le Chiffre
9. Goldfinger
10. Blofeld ( Pleascence)

I don't include Red Grant because he is a henchman, but that doesn't mean that isn't great.

JohnBarryFan

The Real Good Ones

1-Franz Sanchez
2-Ernst Stavro Blofeld (I'm thinking more of Savalas)
3-Max Zorin
4-Silva
5-Hugo Drax
6-Le Chiffre
7-Auric Goldfinger
8-Dr No
9-General Orlov
10-Alec Trevelyan

The good ones

11-Emilio Largo
12-Elektra King
13-Aristotle Kristatos
14-Francisco Scaramanga
15-Kamal Khan
16-Rosa Klebb
17-Elliot Carver
18-Dr. Kananga/Mr.Big
19-Dominic Greene
20-Georgi Koskov

The Lame Ones

21-Brad Whitaker
22-Gustav Graves
23-Karl Stromberg

JBFan626

I think the villains have gotten progressively worse since '74. Drax was the last great villain, and even he was a bit watered down version of what came before.

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