Which Bond novel is the least dated?
  • echoecho
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    I'm rereading DAF and it struck me that it's basically a time capsule of New York and Nevada from the '50s. I can see why they made the changes they did in 1971, and even more if they did it 2012. (Vegas, for one thing, has completely changed.)

    As for the least dated, I'm voting for OHMSS. The heraldry subplot is timeless, and the biological warfare threat could not be more contemporary. And while a bit rarefied, the locations could be pretty much the same now.
  • DB5DB5
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    Well because it's set in the present day I would have to say "Carte Blanche." If you're talking about the Fleming novels only how about TSWLM?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7
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    Definitely not LALD. :-S
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 said:

    Definitely not LALD. :-S



    Haha everything from the tone, language, currency, locations, and mood is outdated. 0_o
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7
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    JWESTBROOK said:

    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 said:

    Definitely not LALD. :-S



    Haha everything from the tone, language, currency, locations, and mood is outdated. 0_o

    I can't think of anything that isn't. I was reading it and my eyes were popping out of my skull at the stuff that was allowed to be published.

  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 said:

    JWESTBROOK said:

    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 said:

    Definitely not LALD. :-S



    Haha everything from the tone, language, currency, locations, and mood is outdated. 0_o

    I can't think of anything that isn't. I was reading it and my eyes were popping out of my skull at the stuff that was allowed to be published.



    It's an excellent novel, just a very interesting flare, I'll say, mixed in. Haha
  • KennonKennon
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    The least dated would be TMWTGG for my money. It's just a very straightforward duel theme, the subplot an ordinary investment scam that happens a thousand times around the world every day.
  • RC7RC7
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    Kennon said:

    The least dated would be TMWTGG for my money. It's just a very straightforward duel theme, the subplot an ordinary investment scam that happens a thousand times around the world every day.



    Totally agree with this. Always thought this could be made as a great indie film on the cheap and still look good.

  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    Thunderball with the timeless threat of nuclear nightmare and blackmail

    OHMSS
  • echoecho
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    Yes, I forgot TB. Absolutely timeless.

    I'd love to see the nuclear threat combined with the various unused TSWLM scripts. I've always thought the terrorist takeover of SPECTRE (now QUANTUM?) would be cinematic.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/tswlm_script_history.php3
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    echo said:

    Yes, I forgot TB. Absolutely timeless.

    I'd love to see the nuclear threat combined with the various unused TSWLM scripts. I've always thought the terrorist takeover of SPECTRE (now QUANTUM?) would be cinematic.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/tswlm_script_history.php3



    I agree. Would love to have seen the unused TSWLM about terrorists taking over SPECTRE. Have some "young Turks" come in kick out Mr. White, kill the old guard and run with Quantum. I like that.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
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    Although Im no expert on the novels I'd say maybe OHMSS. It's theme of Love and Loss is timeless and can be applied anywhere. Plus Blofeld's plot might still have some validity today.
  • commandbond007commandbond007
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    Casino Royale definately......Financing terrorism activities using casino can more than likely do back then and now today.....

    Live and Let Definately not

    Moonraker yes but have to be updated
    DAF No
    FRWL No because Orient Express is not used and the plot wont work
    Goldfinger No
    Dr.No Possible
    Thunderball yes definately
    OHMSS Yes
    YOLT I dont know
    TMWTGG probably but unlikely
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi
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    The least dated, for me, would be TB. There's still a chance that nuclear material falls into the wrong hands, with the whole world extorted to its knees as a consequence.
  • BentleyBentley
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    Fellow Agents,
    Isn't the fact that they are all dated a considerable part of the charm?
    Written today as contemporary thrillers would require that Fleming adjust his style in a way that is unimaginable. His basic plot premises would , for the most part, stand up but Flemings attention to detail and branding mark the whole series as definitive products of their time.
    Indeed, the sixty a day smoker would have to spend his entire short life, confined to outdoor non public places whereas in 1953, your doctor would probably offer you a cigarette when he called on you!
    Period pieces they definitely are and they should be enjoyed as such.
    Regards,
    Bentley
  • emilbertilloemilbertillo
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    The SPECTRE Trilogy would be perfect at modern times. Casino Royale and Goldfinger too, if , say Le Chiffre or Goldfinger are financiers of al-Qaeda or PMCs rather than SMERSH.
  • 007InVT007InVT
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    Nice thread.

    I'm getting back to this one once I've got through a few more novels.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Like others, I would say TB too. And in a way, YOLT is not dated at all. Yes, Japan probably changed a lot since the novel was published, but Blofeld's scheme is so otherworldly and irrationally evil that it could be set at any time.
  • GerardGerard
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    I'd second Thunderball. We are still living in fear that it could happen.
  • Sir_James_MoloneySir_James_Moloney
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    I'd maybe go for TSWLM - the story is so small and contained that it could happen just as easily today.Although it's been many years since I've read it.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Sir_James_Moloney said:

    I'd maybe go for TSWLM - the story is so small and contained that it could happen just as easily today.Although it's been many years since I've read it.



    Good one.
  • 007InVT007InVT
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    commandbond007 said:

    Casino Royale definately......Financing terrorism activities using casino can more than likely do back then and now today.....


    FRWL No because Orient Express is not used and the plot wont work



    The Orient Express is still used, thriving in fact.

    http://www.orient-express.com/web/orex/home.jsp
  • 007InVT007InVT
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    DoubleOhhSeven said:

    Although Im no expert on the novels I'd say maybe OHMSS. It's theme of Love and Loss is timeless and can be applied anywhere. Plus Blofeld's plot might still have some validity today.



    Agreed, just finished reading it and the Biological weapons angle is relevant.

    God, I'd love to see that re-made with Daniel Craig.

  • LudovicoLudovico
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    OHMSS is maybe more believable today than when it was published. I don't think it can or should be remade, but the biological warfare part of the plot could be used again. It's not like they didn't use the nuclear bomb plot device more than once.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi
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    Ludovico said:

    OHMSS is maybe more believable today than when it was published. I don't think it can or should be remade, but the biological warfare part of the plot could be used again. It's not like they didn't use the nuclear bomb plot device more than once.



    Secunded. Plus, there are variations to the theme. Toxins, bacteria, a virus, ... I think it's very much grounded in present day reality. Also, it is frightening to say the least. I worked for Jack Bauer. I can see it work for Bond.

  • royale65royale65
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    Well, I'm going to go with the majority with this and say, On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

    Others would be Casino Royale (gambling to pay back money, to not very nice people, who you've swindled; timeless), The Man With The Golden Gun; duel between two tough operatives.
  • NapoleonPluralNapoleonPlural
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    TB is an odd one. The first 100 pages I think is great, and all that faddish health farm stuff is very contemporary.
    But the nuclear threat seems a bit oddly handled, in fact Bond and Leiter at one point seem more obsessed in a fuddy duddy sort of way about the way their drinks are mixed while dining out. There's no real sense of horror.
    Oh, and Bond banging the health and fitness bird in a bubble car, very odd, and all that talk in the taxi on the way to Shrublands about Tommy Steele and some hooker that they all frequent at the place. Very strange.

    Otherwise, yes, OHMSS and I suggest the film has dated least too, as the fast editing is rather Bourne-like, Lazenby is a young action hero (like most are today) and the locale doesn't date.
  • 007InVT007InVT
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    I keep going back to them, but the short stories don't date much, since there is a lack of nuclear plot lines or space missions etc. More plot and dialogue heavy, which to be honest I prefer to the action sequences, which always seem to drag for me, not that I don't adore reading every Fleming novel.
  • Villiers53Villiers53
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    Bentley said:

    Fellow Agents,
    Isn't the fact that they are all dated a considerable part of the charm?
    Written today as contemporary thrillers would require that Fleming adjust his style in a way that is unimaginable. His basic plot premises would , for the most part, stand up but Flemings attention to detail and branding mark the whole series as definitive products of their time.
    Indeed, the sixty a day smoker would have to spend his entire short life, confined to outdoor non public places whereas in 1953, your doctor would probably offer you a cigarette when he called on you!
    Period pieces they definitely are and they should be enjoyed as such.
    Regards,
    Bentley



    Bentley,
    Eloquently put - I'm with you. Fleming's novels should be enjoyed as classics.
    That withstanding, the plots that stand the test are definitely OHMSS, Moonraker & Thunderball.

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