Improve a bad movie

DArtagnan

I have been thinking of doing this for some time. Don't know how this will fare, but well...

The idea is to take a bad film, use its concept, and turn it into a decent film. Of course, the definition of "bad film" differs for everyone, but that does not matter. It's mainly about being creative.

I'll start with Battleship.

The concept: Adaptation of the board game.

Basically, I would turn it into something like Das Boot meets The Hunger Games.

In the near future, following a war between two superpowers, the victorious side creates a game to show their "mercy" on the defeated.

The POWs (most not seamen) are split into two teams and placed within a huge enclosed "arena" at sea. Each team has the same number of battleships, submarines, destroyers, aircraft carriers and patrol ships. The winners will be freed.

To make things harder, the vessels do not have telecommunication abilities, or satellite images. So they are relatively blind and need to be careful to avoid friendly fire. Also, ammo, food and fuel are limited.

The story follows the crew of one battleship and we see things only from their point of view (like in Master and Commander). There is also the conflict of having to kill their own (after all they were on the same side during the war).

haserot

The Punisher (doesn't matter which one, take your pick)

seeing as how none of the films have really gotten it right - and also, that I am a big Punisher fan, I would set out to finally give Frank his due credit on the big screen...

Tone and Feel
I would keep the film very gritty, realistic (to a degree, some suspension of disbelief may have to occur).. but I would try to avoid the whole 'hero' perception with the story, and stray as far away from making it kid friendly as possible.. It would be a graphic crime story.... the film would open with a normal color palette - but as the movie goes on, and as Frank starts slipping further into his own psychosis - the colors would start to become more desaturated, with harsher contrasts in the darks and lights (as Frank's own personal view of the world becomes almost black and white)..

i picture a very loose camera style... again, to mirror Castle's descent - maybe starting off more formal and traditional, and towards the end, it becomes a little more handheld... just a thought - i picture the camera work being very like a Saving Private Ryan meets Training Day sorta thing..

The Story
I would focus mainly on the Year One series in the Punisher comics... a couple creative liberties might be taken - but I would want to stick pretty close to the source material in terms of the basics of the story... It would see Frank, as a post war vet, trying to adjust to family life, while also suffering from PTSD... then one day in Central Park, as fate would have it, he and his family stumble across a mob execution. The mafiosos turn their attention to family Castle, and gun them all down - Frank being the lone survivor, waking up in the hospital after being resuscitated... After finding out that his wife and kids are dead, he starts a legal fight to prosecute and jail those who killed his family... after a farce of hearing (from a corrupt judge) - the goons who killed Castle's family (Costa family associates, one of them being Billy Russo - a mob hitman), are allowed to walk, due to lack of substantial evidence to convict them, and Castle's testimonies are thrown out due to his past medical history from psychological trauma sustained from war.....

With the justice system having failed him, and guilt over the death of his family consuming him - feeling that he should have died along with them... Frank soon realizes that the only thing he has left to live for, is to kill those who took his family and future from him....... but while on his quest for personal revenge - he uncovers a dangerous plan by the Costas, to acquire a large shipment of illegal russian firearms, in which they will turn around and sell to certain interested parties in around the New York and New Jersey areas... Frank must ultimately make a choice, is personal revenge worth the death of hundreds or possibly thousands of innocent civilians...

the full details of the plot i haven't figured out yet - but thats essentially the bare bones of it....

i even made a mock poster for it, lol..

M_Balje

Sequel release faster:

National Treasure 2 (6.5/10). For National Treasure 3

Spoiler:

Sean Bean chacter is set free from Prison

. (Spoiler of the first movie) The story is made to dificult and there hired another directer of photography who not realy match with the first movie. This made iam a litle bit worried for Transformers 3 who have the same Dop. For National Treasure 2 there better have choosen the same as the first movie. Caleb Deschanel whas avaible for 2007 and at the moment he don't have any movie for 2013 or later. Dariusz Wolski (POTC 1-3) who not be avaible in 2006-2007 don't have any movie yet confirmd for 2014 or later and there should consider.

Jumper (6/10). The movie feels as as set up for more, why it take so long before the sequel. Jumper 2 should have released in 2011. If not Doug Liman mabey there should have ask Bryan Singer for Jumper 2 and his writers of X-men 2. Ghost Writer 2 (same writers as Jumper) also take 4 years to make (First movie is from 2007) and in some country's in be almoost 5 years later. So if Fox wait on the writers who a couple of months back finish with the Batman franchise (Dark Knight Rises) i hope there concentrate on Jumper 2 for a 2013 or 2014 release.

Master_Dahark

haserot said:
The Punisher (doesn't matter which one, take your pick)

Totally agree! Big time Punisher fan over here too! I trust you've read the recent Max series? Now that's the kind of movie I want to see!
They absolutely need to have Frank be a Vietnam Veteran. Vietnam is as big a part in his becoming The Punisher as the death of his family. All the movies so far have made him a cop (Lundgren), an FBI Agent (Jane) and there's been talk of a TV show where he'll be a damn cop again. As wacky and zany as War-Zone was with Ray Stevenson, at least they made him a Marine.
If they're so afraid of having an 'older' hero, then give us a Year One story that takes place in the seventies!

DArtagnan

haserot said:
The Punisher (doesn't matter which one, take your pick)

[...]

Tone and Feel
[...] the film would open with a normal color palette - but as the movie goes on, and as Frank starts slipping further into his own psychosis - the colors would start to become more desaturated, with harsher contrasts in the darks and lights (as Frank's own personal view of the world becomes almost black and white)..

i picture a very loose camera style... again, to mirror Castle's descent - maybe starting off more formal and traditional, and towards the end, it becomes a little more handheld... just a thought - i picture the camera work being very like a Saving Private Ryan meets Training Day sorta thing..

Really like the style! I would watch it.

TouchMyButtons

almost every mainstream Hollywood film today is a failure compacted of mainstream Jew produced filth with lousy unrealistic special effects thrown at us constantly involving no good story or quality writing at all.

TouchMyButtons

How about all of the Moore bond outings.

Volante

TouchMyButtons said:
almost every mainstream Hollywood film today is a failure compacted of mainstream Jew produced filth with lousy unrealistic special effects thrown at us constantly involving no good story or quality writing at all.

Wildly inappropriate anti-Semitism.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

TouchMyButtons said:
almost every mainstream Hollywood film today is a failure compacted of mainstream Jew produced filth with lousy unrealistic special effects thrown at us constantly involving no good story or quality writing at all.

You have certainty filled your "prick" quota for today. Way to generalize film in general, and probably something your knowledge is light on. I'd give you a hand, but you like yourself enough for all of us it seems.

Creasy47

Wow, that couldn't have been more inappropriate, @TouchMyButtons.

TouchMyButtons

I have nothing against ordinary Jewish people, THERE ARE BAD SEEDS IN EVERY RACE, there is no perfect race, My religion is Catholicism, but even I acknowledge the fact the Vatican is completely corrupt and that the religion has its flaws. Im simply stating the majority of Hollywood is ran by Jews, and if you don't believe me, I strongly advise you to do some investigating. I have a few Jewish neighbors and they're wonderful people, but im not afraid to say that Zionist / Sleezball Jews constantly are pumping out sexual filled soft porn garbage to dumb Down the mainstream American audience. Chuck Lorre practically runs CBS, have you ever seen two and a half men? its pure filth. The days of quality mainstream television and movies are gone, thank god the internet is around for average people to share real artistic ability with the world, because you wont find any on mainstrean television.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

TouchMyButtons said:
I have nothing against ordinary Jewish people, THERE ARE BAD SEEDS IN EVERY RACE, there is no perfect race, My religion is Catholicism, but even I acknowledge the fact the Vatican is completely corrupt and that the religion has its flaws. Im simply stating the majority of Hollywood is ran by Jews, and if you don't believe me, I strongly advise you to do some investigating. I have a few Jewish neighbors and they're wonderful people, but im not afraid to say that Zionist / Sleezball Jews constantly are pumping out sexual filled soft porn garbage to dumb Down the mainstream American audience. Chuck Lorre practically runs CBS, have you ever seen two and a half men? its pure filth. The days of quality mainstream television and movies are gone, thank god the internet is around for average people to share real artistic ability with the world, because you wont find any on mainstrean television.

The internet is just as sleazy as some TV and film. Porn was born on the internet, and it is filled with disgusting filth that should never see the light of day. Don't even start generalizing film, because there is quality film and TV out there, though you may be too wrapped up in your botched vision of the world to notice. Christ you are getting on my nerves.

X3MSonicX

TouchMyButtons said:
almost every mainstream Hollywood film today is a failure compacted of mainstream Jew produced filth with lousy unrealistic special effects thrown at us constantly involving no good story or quality writing at all.

Oh, really? That's what you think? Well i suppose you can do something better than that, then. And if you can, then you may talk anything. For me, Hollywood films are great for it's filling of story, drama, and some of them, mainly, the ability of making the public stay on the screen and seeing it.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 said:
Don't even start generalizing film, because there is quality film and TV out there, though you may be too wrapped up in your botched vision of the world to notice. Christ you are getting on my nerves.

TouchMyButtons

Oh dear god I agree the internet has much corruption, perhaps loads more than TV, but my point was that ordinary people like you and I have the ability to create quality art of all kinds that comes from the heart, such as ,movies, stories, documentaries, games, music etc... ANYTHING and because of the freedom that the internet possesses we have the capabilities to imprint them on the world through sites and programs such as YouTube and many other great independent user friendly dependent sites we can view all kinds of great material that wouldn't be broadcasted on TV or Cinema due to corporate control.

Point is -

Ever wonder why you see and hear the same 20
artists on the rotation on radio & television? No, it's not because people are calling the radio
stations requesting the songs incessantly. The
answer: media-consolidation. 90% of the media
is controlled by only 6 companies: GE,
Newscorp, Disney, Viacom & Time Warner.
Compare that to 1983 when media was owned by 50 companies.

so thank god the internet is around with people to share their creative creations, or we'd be completely stuck with corporate ran mainstream kiddy thrash .

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

We must not listen to the same music...

Creasy47

@TouchMyButtons, The 'creative creations' that are made by the Internet turn out to be the filth you so speak of that infests the airwaves. You negated yourself in just one post.

TouchMyButtons

Mi6community.com was and is a creative creation that brings together all bond fans for a place to coincide and talk about bond, I hardly find that filth. You know what I meant when I said creative creations, I meant quality individual works and ideas that normally wouldn't and couldn't be presented to us if it weren't for the possibilities of the internet. You're trying to negate my phrase, " creative creations", to all material on the web when you know thats not what I meant.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

Who DOES know what you mean?

TouchMyButtons

lol

Creasy47

TouchMyButtons said:
Mi6community.com was and is a creative creation that brings together all bond fans for a place to coincide and talk about bond, I hardly find that filth. You know what I meant when I said creative creations, I meant quality individual works and ideas that normally wouldn't and couldn't be presented to us if it weren't for the possibilities of the internet. You're trying to negate my phrase, " creative creations", to all material on the web when you know thats not what I meant.

You once again negated yourself.

You were speaking about music; why would you wrap up what you were saying by talking about something more broad, or different? Don't make a point, and then conclude with something else entirely different. You negated it, not me.

And no, I, personally, had no idea what you meant, nor do I believe anyone else does. If you didn't spew out that anti-Semitic remark, we wouldn't be here right now. I apologize to @DArtagnan - although I wasn't the one to derail the topic - but I just couldn't contain myself from replying to such a hateful, tasteless comment.

TouchMyButtons

How was it anti semitic? I have nothing against Jews, its just a common known fact that alot of Jews run show business these days , and alot of it's filth. One example is Executive Producer at CBS, " CHUCK LORRE" who produces TWO & A HALF MEN. Its nothing but soft porn, sexual innuendos and constant demoralization of the middle class man.

Creasy47

When you say "Jew produced filth," then commence to spend a good chunk of text badmouthing Hollywood today, with bad special effects, writing, story, etc. - not sure why those three fit in when, as you say, Jews run show business these days.

You can throw flak at what you hate and praise what you love, but the need for you to state it is Jewish run is completely unnecessary.

DB5

OK Touch My Buttons, I'm going to be as polite as possible. I'm Jewish, and I lost relatives in the Holocaust. One of them was a two year old girl. It was before I was born, but it did happen. And it was because this kind of language was used against the Jewish people. Yes, there are a lot of Jews in the entertainment industry. Yes, a lot of entertainment these days is more sexually provocative than it used to be. But if you don't like it, don't watch. Now can we get back to talking about James Bond?

haserot

TouchMyButtons said:
How was it anti semitic? I have nothing against Jews, its just a common known fact that alot of Jews run show business these days , and alot of it's filth. One example is Executive Producer at CBS, " CHUCK LORRE" who produces TWO & A HALF MEN. Its nothing but soft porn, sexual innuendos and constant demoralization of the middle class man.

statements like this one, and the one you made earlier are very derogatory, offensive, and can be taken as antisemitic... regardless of what your intentions are.... some things, are better off just kept to yourself..

personally though, i think you have some deep rooted Mel Gibson-like issues...

NicNac

OK, we now keep this thread peaceful and to the point, or it will be closed.

Cheers guys.

Creasy47

NicNac said:
OK, we now keep this thread peaceful and to the point, or it will be closed.

Cheers guys.

I do hope so. Now, back on topic...

'Righteous Kill' (2008)

Man, did this film have some potential. It has Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in it; what more could you possibly want? First, I would go ahead and change the title - too B-grade, direct-to-DVD sounding to me. Maybe it's just the fact that I don't like the word 'righteous', I don't know.

Then, I would rid the film of 50 Cent - if he's a supporting character in a film of yours, it's bound to turn out bad for you. I just think he should stick to music, even though I don't like his music, either.

Next, change around the plot. Make it less predictable, cut out the whole 'found footage' bit that repeats throughout the movie, and give both De Niro and Pacino more memorable lines and scenes. I don't recall much from the movie - just the ending, and something about a skateboard at some point throughout the film.

It's just funny how, with a cast that includes De Niro, Pacino, and others like Melissa Leo, you can't possibly go wrong. Even the rest of them, I'm a fan of: I enjoyed Leguizamo and Wahlberg together in the mini series 'Kill Point', and I enjoy Carla Gugino - she's very attractive, what can I say.

Before the years wither away and they all become too old, I want to see Scorsese, De Niro, and Pacino together, in the film Scorsese has spoken of doing for years now, with Pesci in the cast, as well.

thelivingroyale

@touchmybuttons You sound a bit like the guy in my avi :))

On topic...

Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull I like this film but it doesn't live up to the othe 3, and it needs some impovements. So bye bye Shia. And throw money at Sean Connery until he agrees to cameo at the end for the wedding (his character would be alive, I'm not saying to make him a ghost or something).

Die Hard 4 Again, I like this, it's not really bad at all, but it needs more Die Hard elements (throw in somemore classic Mcclane dialougue, this means swearing, more violent action sequences, and don't muffle out the yipee kai yay motherf***** at the end).

Speed 2 Bring back Reeves, set it somewhere fast, or just don't make it at all.

Every Leprachaun film except the first Change everything.

Die Another Day Take out the Invisible car and tone down the gadgets, re-write some dialouge and recast Jinx, take out some of the more obvious references to past films, don't use so much CGI, change the diamond powered laser satellite to something less OTT.

Quantum Of Solace Make it more like Casino Royale.

Little Fockers Make it more like the first two.

Avatar For the record, I don't think Cameron has made any good films since the Terminator films and Aliens. No, I do not like Titanic. Anyway, make it shorter, rewrite parts of the dialouge, don't put it in 3d (thereby saving us from almost every other film being released in 3d).

Creasy47

@thelivingroyale, you can get the unrated edition of Live Free Or Die Hard on DVD. It doesn't muffle out the famous line, and there's a good bit more gore and language. Sadly, they went with the PG-13 version when they released it on blu-ray, but I'm not sure why they didn't include both. I know it was released this way to make more money, but it's a shame how much a film will be altered and changed for it. I can't blame them; why wouldn't you want to make more money? But, for me, that line makes the Die Hard films. It's what I really look forward to when I see it, along with McClane's foul mouth.

I totally agree with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Shia was unnecessary. I'm just not a fan of his, but he does seem to be attached to some pretty good looking upcoming films.

DArtagnan

I disagree. I would have kept Shia, except that he would not be Indy's son. I thought he did a good job, and I liked his mannerisms.

I would have lost Marion though, and the wedding. It felt like bringing Honey Rider back in Thunderball. And, while she was great in Raiders, I never felt she was THE woman for Indy.

X3MSonicX

I would change DAD just as @thelivingroyale would. Also, i'd get that ridiculous young villain and put someone that could be respected, and that is 5 years older.

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