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Germanlady

Sandy said:
We have to keep this thread running, ladies! A strategy is required /:) and I'm already already working on it. Have a great weekend!

You do? Sounds great. Its raining and cold, so perfect weather for some important work ;) I have to work, but can see you in the afternoon.

Sandy

Germanlady said:

Sandy said:
We have to keep this thread running, ladies! A strategy is required /:) and I'm already already working on it. Have a great weekend!

You do? Sounds great. Its raining and cold, so perfect weather for some important work ;) I have to work, but can see you in the afternoon.

GL, are you really around tomorrow or do you mean virtually?

Germanlady

Sandy said:

Germanlady said:

Sandy said:
We have to keep this thread running, ladies! A strategy is required /:) and I'm already already working on it. Have a great weekend!

You do? Sounds great. Its raining and cold, so perfect weather for some important work ;) I have to work, but can see you in the afternoon.

GL, are you really around tomorrow or do you mean virtually?

Virtually, but we can meet in person, if you like,

Sandy

Germanlady said:

Sandy said:

Germanlady said:

Sandy said:
We have to keep this thread running, ladies! A strategy is required /:) and I'm already already working on it. Have a great weekend!

You do? Sounds great. Its raining and cold, so perfect weather for some important work ;) I have to work, but can see you in the afternoon.

GL, are you really around tomorrow or do you mean virtually?

Virtually, but we can meet in person, if you like,

:) one day for sure! When I go to Mo I'll let you know, when you come to Mu please let me know!

4EverBonded

And anyone heading to Japan let me know!
I do want to keep this thread open but I am in the middle of writing lesson plans and cannot put my head into finding the right strategy for our MI6 thread- so I am cheering you on Sandy! You have your mission, 00Sandy. B-) And I am sure you will accomplish it.

Sandy

4EverBonded said:
And anyone heading to Japan let me know!
I do want to keep this thread open but I am in the middle of writing lesson plans and cannot put my head into finding the right strategy for our MI6 thread- so I am cheering you on Sandy! You have your mission, 00Sandy. B-) And I am sure you will accomplish it.

I usually do @4EverBonded, I'll do my very best :)>-

thelordflasheart

A little late to the party (been staying away to avoid SF spoilers) but it's nice to see such interesting and intelligent ladies here. I read an interesting article in the past about how "genre" forums and websites can be off-putting to women (either through bad attempts at humour or...non-inclusive views of the role of women in films or in life) so I think that it speaks well of MI6 that we're in such illustrious company here... ;-)

Germanlady

Thanks Lord.
I never thought much about the Bond world being a mans world as well. When I was watching QOS, a man next to me was commenting on how surprisingly many women were at that show (I could have told him the reason, but didn't).
I always thought, that Bond was as much for women, because aren't they supposed to be attracted by the actor playing the role PLUS the genre of danger, fast cars and living life in the fast line as much as the guys?
When I started reading the Bond boards 5 years ago, I was surprised by the amount of fanatism the fans have for their idol. The figure Bond, not the actors...its quite amazing.

As a woman to survive here, I think, you have to keep your humor and not let them scare you away :D

4EverBonded

Germanlady said:
Thanks Lord.
I never thought much about the Bond world being a mans world as well. When I was watching QOS, a man next to me was commenting on how surprisingly many women were at that show (I could have told him the reason, but didn't).
I always thought, that Bond was as much for women, because aren't they supposed to be attracted by the actor playing the role PLUS the genre of danger, fast cars and living life in the fast line as much as the guys?
When I started reading the Bond boards 5 years ago, I was surprised by the amount of fanatism the fans have for their idol. The figure Bond, not the actors...its quite amazing.

As a woman to survive here, I think, you have to keep your humor and not let them scare you away :D

Exactly, Germanlady! And there are some, I think, who would be happier if this were an all male world (this forum). But Bond is definitely part of our world, too, and Bond is for sure meant for women to enjoy as well. Loved the books as a teen; I feel that the character is part of my life, just one of my favorite things. I've seen every Bond film but am not a super Bond geek in that I don't have tons of quotes memorized (well, yeah maybe quite a few ...) or know tiny details about each movie. For example, I enjoy our caption contests, but I have a hard time guessing right on the Guess the Character thread. This forum is interesting to me. I also like reading about the debates on the music, the books, as well as the whole lifestyle.
So welcome back, thelordflasheart. I will probably be stopping by this website less and less as Skyfall approaches - or at least not clicking on the Skyfall news and spoilers, but it will be hard. I enjoy our discussions here. But I do not want to know all about the movie before it arrives in Japan (which I hope is not the projected January date);, that would ruin it for me. Anyway, let's pop on our shades and raise a martini glass (or Heineken) to us girls. B-)
And please tell me what your user name means, Lord; thanks!

TheWizardOfIce

4EverBonded said:
Exactly, Germanlady! And there are some, I think, who would be happier if this were an all male world (this forum).

“These blithering women who thought they could do a man's work. Why the hell couldn't they stay at home and mind their pots and pans and stick to their frocks and gossip and leave men's work to the men.”
― Ian Fleming, Casino Royale

Only joking ladies.

FireSkull

Germanlady said:
As a woman to survive here, I think, you have to keep your humor and not let them scare you away :D

Well to survive here, I think you just need to keep your rumor and not humor. Gossip ladies..... just gossip. That's all you gotta do. And make some sandwich? lol just kidding!

TheWizardOfIce said:

4EverBonded said:
Exactly, Germanlady! And there are some, I think, who would be happier if this were an all male world (this forum).

“These blithering women who thought they could do a man's work. Why the hell couldn't they stay at home and mind their pots and pans and stick to their frocks and gossip and leave men's work to the men.”
― Ian Fleming, Casino Royale

Only joking ladies.

hah! funny but sounds like 1920s. :D

Germanlady

Ahhh, you macho men ;;)

FireSkull

@Germanlady Batman's for real.

Germanlady

FireSkull said:
@Germanlady Batman's for real.

So, you're a Batman fan? Slap me, but I didn't rate his Batman. He was good in a couple of other films, but his Batman was weak IMO. (I know, I am in the minority with this given the success of TDK)

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

I thought the whole point of this thread was to give a space to MI6's lovely ladies to discuss freely whatever they wished with being accosted by us XY chromosomes?? And now I sound like a complete hypocrite for posting here as well. Oh how the table has turned... :D

Germanlady

Oh no, you are quite welcome - it still feels like a little property belonging to us though ;)
What's your opinion on Bond being more for males? I do admit, that I am not the least interested in discussing cars or watches or somesuch to an extend. I am happy, if the stuff LOOKS good :)) I suppose, that is a very female way to treat it. Almost out of the book attitude, I might add... :>

As for the films as a whole - I always thought, they should and did aply to females as much as to males. They might just discuss different things..

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

I think women should be on an equal level amongst males, Bond included. The boys want to be him, the women want to be in between his sheets, simple as that. Women can as much enjoy the intrique of espionage, be bigger gearheads than some men, and can love the actor in the lead role, because I'll admit it, Sean from DN-TB was one suave muchacho ;). Seriously though, I am happy that Bond isn't gender exclusive, and it is great to be apart of this forum where women are viewed just as welcome as the boys with toys. It's great to be apart of that. Cheers!

thelordflasheart

4EverBonded said:

Germanlady said:
Thanks Lord.
I never thought much about the Bond world being a mans world as well. When I was watching QOS, a man next to me was commenting on how surprisingly many women were at that show (I could have told him the reason, but didn't).
I always thought, that Bond was as much for women, because aren't they supposed to be attracted by the actor playing the role PLUS the genre of danger, fast cars and living life in the fast line as much as the guys?
When I started reading the Bond boards 5 years ago, I was surprised by the amount of fanatism the fans have for their idol. The figure Bond, not the actors...its quite amazing.

As a woman to survive here, I think, you have to keep your humor and not let them scare you away :D

Exactly, Germanlady! And there are some, I think, who would be happier if this were an all male world (this forum). But Bond is definitely part of our world, too, and Bond is for sure meant for women to enjoy as well. Loved the books as a teen; I feel that the character is part of my life, just one of my favorite things. I've seen every Bond film but am not a super Bond geek in that I don't have tons of quotes memorized (well, yeah maybe quite a few ...) or know tiny details about each movie. For example, I enjoy our caption contests, but I have a hard time guessing right on the Guess the Character thread. This forum is interesting to me. I also like reading about the debates on the music, the books, as well as the whole lifestyle.
So welcome back, thelordflasheart. I will probably be stopping by this website less and less as Skyfall approaches - or at least not clicking on the Skyfall news and spoilers, but it will be hard. I enjoy our discussions here. But I do not want to know all about the movie before it arrives in Japan (which I hope is not the projected January date);, that would ruin it for me. Anyway, let's pop on our shades and raise a martini glass (or Heineken) to us girls. B-)
And please tell me what your user name means, Lord; thanks!

@4EverBonded - great name BTW! My name is from a character who appeared in a couple of episodes of BlackAdder. Fantastic parody of the hyper-masculine trope:

And speaking of hyper-masculine, I'm glad to see that there are women who brave some of the comments and remain here. From absurdly obvious jealously (guys going ballistic that women find the actor playing Bond attractive - huh? SERIOUSLY?) to guys calling actresses ugly when they are in fact a hundred times better looking than any woman who would ever talk to them in the real world...well, I'm glad that that doesn't put you off! Although I suppose that there is some twisted humour to be found there...

Let's hide in the corner together to enjoy our martinis away from the obvious spoilers :-)

Germanlady

Its 3:30 pm where I am. How about you? Ready for a drink?

myworldisenough

Just a fun non-serious question for you ladies. I don't know if this has already been asked so apologies if it has. The old phrase that gets bounded about is, gentlemen want to be Bond, ladies want to be with Bond.

I ask the ladies of the forum, do you want to be with Bond? Do you fancy yourself as a traditional old fashioned, needs to be saved by Bond / love interest type Bond girl or the more modern approach of Bond's equal, type Bond girl. I.e fellow spy? Prehaps a villian?

Or do you see yourself as Bond, either as a female version or male fantasy?

I'm just plain old boring, want to be Bond. Occasionally I think it would be good to be a villian! (BTW I'm a grown man that hasn't fully grown up)

Germanlady

I believe, both gender like and admire the same traits in him. He is (or should be) ALL man. He is sure of himself, he doesn't have to prove himself to others all the time, because he KNOWS, who he is. He only anwers to himself. Period..
He is sexy, attractive, dangerous to boot, capable of guiding you through the darkest corners of the world and a man, a woman just dies to steal his heart, because she senses, its hidden very, very deep behind all sorts of emotional walls. That's about as irresistible as it gets. He is vulnerable, but doesn't show it. A woman would want to save him (Bond/Vesper dialogue in CR).
I think, modern or old fashioned woman - it doesn't make a difference. They cannot help but falling for him and get weak. Well - a bit - sometimes.

Fort me, after following him for such a long time, I found all of this in Daniel, as DC himself, not only as Bond. That's probably, why I like him so much. Plus, he might not be easy, but is decent to the bone.

SirHenryLeeChaChing

thelordflasheart said:

4EverBonded said:

Germanlady said:
Thanks Lord.
I never thought much about the Bond world being a mans world as well. When I was watching QOS, a man next to me was commenting on how surprisingly many women were at that show (I could have told him the reason, but didn't).
I always thought, that Bond was as much for women, because aren't they supposed to be attracted by the actor playing the role PLUS the genre of danger, fast cars and living life in the fast line as much as the guys?
When I started reading the Bond boards 5 years ago, I was surprised by the amount of fanatism the fans have for their idol. The figure Bond, not the actors...its quite amazing.

As a woman to survive here, I think, you have to keep your humor and not let them scare you away :D

Exactly, Germanlady! And there are some, I think, who would be happier if this were an all male world (this forum). But Bond is definitely part of our world, too, and Bond is for sure meant for women to enjoy as well. Loved the books as a teen; I feel that the character is part of my life, just one of my favorite things. I've seen every Bond film but am not a super Bond geek in that I don't have tons of quotes memorized (well, yeah maybe quite a few ...) or know tiny details about each movie. For example, I enjoy our caption contests, but I have a hard time guessing right on the Guess the Character thread. This forum is interesting to me. I also like reading about the debates on the music, the books, as well as the whole lifestyle.
So welcome back, thelordflasheart. I will probably be stopping by this website less and less as Skyfall approaches - or at least not clicking on the Skyfall news and spoilers, but it will be hard. I enjoy our discussions here. But I do not want to know all about the movie before it arrives in Japan (which I hope is not the projected January date);, that would ruin it for me. Anyway, let's pop on our shades and raise a martini glass (or Heineken) to us girls. B-)
And please tell me what your user name means, Lord; thanks!

@4EverBonded - great name BTW! My name is from a character who appeared in a couple of episodes of BlackAdder. Fantastic parody of the hyper-masculine trope:

And speaking of hyper-masculine, I'm glad to see that there are women who brave some of the comments and remain here. From absurdly obvious jealously (guys going ballistic that women find the actor playing Bond attractive - huh? SERIOUSLY?) to [b]guys calling actresses ugly when they are in fact a hundred times better looking than any woman who would ever talk to them in the real world[/b]...well, I'm glad that that doesn't put you off! Although I suppose that there is some twisted humour to be found there...

Let's hide in the corner together to enjoy our martinis away from the obvious spoilers :-)

I don't believe the bold to be true, certainly for a fact not in my case. You would be surprised how many beautiful single women out there who don't date much because men are intimidated by their looks, the men don't have confidence in themselves, and don't bother to talk to them because they fear rejection. And when they do, men are clueless how to speak to them. Some very attractive women don't necessarily make the first move either because they may be a little shy to do so or have esteem issues. Granted, being a musician does attract women who like your music and your look maybe more than the average guy, and that definitely worked for me back in that day, but no matter you still have to know how to speak to a woman and have a compatible personality that she can relate to. Let me put it this way- Heather Locklear smiled at me and introduced herself to me in 1986 and she didn't know I was friends with Nick until later when her and Tommy sat down to have drinks with us. She just preferred the look and company of long haired musicians and many women famous and not feel the same way. So when I say I have dated women better looking than a Bond girl like Corinne Clery as an example of a Bond woman I consider to be not good looking, well, I have and I have no reason to lie. Here's how it works fellas. The woman calls the shots and if she likes you or learns to, then she does, and how famous or beautiful she might be shouldn't matter as far as you are concerned unless you are going to allow yourself to be intimidated and act like a fool. Gents, how to date a Bond girl or one who looks like one isn't rocket science nor it is impossible. Believe in yourself and many things you didn't think were possible suddenly become very possible and it can happen.

I loved the BlackAdders I saw in the late 1980's, funny stuff. Didn't see too many but laughed at what I did.

Germanlady

I think, what the Lord meant was something else. That many guys might not attract women looking even half as good as those, they trash here.

darren_blacksmith

If I may poke my head into this women's room for one moment (everywhere else is so boring today!)...

This argument makes no sense! Bond is a form of escapist cinema. The deal is you pay your cinema entrance fee or stump up the money to buy the DVD/Blu-ray and in return you are admitted entrance for a couple of hours into a more exciting, and - yes - BETTER LOOKING world than the one you probably inhabit!

What do we want, a new era of 'austerity bond', in which Bond's world has to match that of the average male fan? He is no longer allowed to drive in expensive cars, eat expensive food, stay in luxurious hotels, break the speed limit or consort with the most beautiful women.

Anyway, how do you know that a lot of the male forum users aren't good looking? And maybe not all women are attracted just by looks anyway.

Finally, for me, the more aggressive and 'masculine' the bond woman is the more charmless she seems, and in order to make up for it, the more visually beautiful she has to look in order to be appealing. I'd take the wonderfully charming Corinne Dufour over the aggressive Xennia Onnatop anyday, even if the later is deemed 'more beautiful' than the former!

Germanlady

Bond certainly needs to be everything the average man is not, which includes all that you mentioned.

Weren't there always those two types of women - the agressive "baddie" and the slightly more feminine "good" girl?

darren_blacksmith

Germanlady said:
Bond certainly needs to be everything the average man is not, which includes all that you mentioned.

That sounds more like you think the character is the opposite of the average man. What I'm saying is that the novels, and then the films were successful as they offered a hyped-up, version of the average man's world. Including all the traits that men possess and the things that they are interested in and amplifying them!

Sandy

Germanlady said:
Bond certainly needs to be everything the average man is not, which includes all that you mentioned.

Weren't there always those two types of women - the agressive "baddie" and the slightly more feminine "good" girl?

darren_blacksmith said:

Germanlady said:
Bond certainly needs to be everything the average man is not, which includes all that you mentioned.

That sounds more like you think the character is the opposite of the average man. What I'm saying is that the novels, and then the films were successful as they offered a hyped-up, version of the average man's world. Including all the traits that men possess and the things that they are interested in and amplifying them!

Strange as it may seem I agree with both of you. This thread is becoming very interesting! Throughout the day I checked to see the comments coming in, some great, some terrible, but I couldn't post (work!) but now I came back and I enjoy the rout this is taking, I just hope there is no derailing!

darren_blacksmith

The good bond girl is not always non-aggressive though (think of Pam Bouvier in LTK). To me the ultimate bond girl is Kara from TLD, as she is feminine and seems so vulnerable and charming. Again, maybe not the most beautiful if you are going purely on visuals.

Thats just my taste though. Many men prefer the dominatrix characters.

SirHenryLeeChaChing

Germanlady said:
Bond certainly needs to be everything the average man is not, which includes all that you mentioned.

Exactly GL. It is escapist fantasy for both sexes but there almost always is, or should be, a grounded reality about them. Once in awhile you get something totally outlandish like MR or DAD, but almost everything on screen in a Bond film can be obtained and that lifestyle can be lived.

Germanlady

darren_blacksmith said:

That sounds more like you think the character is the opposite of the average man

I haven't read the novels, but the films certainly don't show us an average man - what they show us is, like you said - a bit blown out of proportion man with traits, that women and men alike prefer in their heros. Would they really want to live with them? Would they really be like them? Who knows...
But the Bond world wouldn't exist with an "average" man.

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