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  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    a better antagonism with the villain too.

    Emilio Largo>Goldfinger. Way cooler and way more menacing.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Goldfinger is a more entertaining and engaging villain
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sark wrote: »
    a better antagonism with the villain too.

    Emilio Largo>Goldfinger. Way cooler and way more menacing.

    Disagree.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Goldfinger is a more entertaining and engaging villain

    Agree.
  • RC7RC7
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    a better antagonism with the villain too.

    Emilio Largo>Goldfinger. Way cooler and way more menacing.

    Disagree.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Goldfinger is a more entertaining and engaging villain

    Agree.

    Agree. On first meeting Bond makes Largo look like a fool in public and gets away with it. He screws over Goldfinger in relative privacy and this happens...



    Great villain.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Wasn't Largo's first meeting with Bond at the casino? How did he make him look like a fool?
  • RC7RC7
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    Sark wrote: »
    Wasn't Largo's first meeting with Bond at the casino? How did he make him look like a fool?

    He takes him apart at the Baccarat table and proceeds to chat up his mistress.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    It's a game of luck! Beating someone at Chemin de fer isn't making them look like a fool, unless you also think Bond made Sylvia Trench look like a fool. Or Xenia made Bond look like one. And he politely asked to buy his 'niece' a drink-anyone who couldn't hear their conversation wouldn't think anything untoward had happened and that Largo and him were on their way to becoming friends.

    The fact that you're comparing that scene to Bond blackmailing Goldfinger into losing $10,000 is frankly mind-boggling. There's nothing for Largo to seek retribution for after their meeting (besides him being Bond, and as an enemy of SPECTRE, should die), with Goldfinger his anger is completely understandable.
  • RC7RC7
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    Sark wrote: »
    It's a game of luck! Beating someone at Chemin de fer isn't making them look like a fool, unless you also think Bond made Sylvia Trench look like a fool. Or Xenia made Bond look like one. And he politely asked to buy his 'niece' a drink-anyone who couldn't hear their conversation wouldn't think anything untoward had happened and that Largo and him were on their way to becoming friends.

    The fact that you're comparing that scene to Bond blackmailing Goldfinger into losing $10,000 is frankly mind-boggling. There's nothing for Largo to seek retribution for after their meeting (besides him being Bond, and as an enemy of SPECTRE, should die), with Goldfinger his anger is completely understandable.

    I don't mean he takes him apart at the game, I don't know how you take anyone apart at cards, I mean he takes him apart verbally and mentally. The sparring re. SPECTRE. He leaves the table with Largo on the back foot. It makes Largo seem a little lightweight to me, opposite the nonchalant, domineering 007. There's an extra frisson of danger with Goldfinger for me. If people think Largo is a better villain, that's cool, but while he's a memorable character, he pales next to Goldfinger imo. The comparison is purely based on the fact it is their intro scene. There are several great head to heads in the series that have definitive opening gambits, Silva and Bond being the most recent. I don't feel the Largo - Bond dynamic ever reaches those heights.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    In the past I've felt a bit iffy about Largo's "we have a way to deal with that where I come from" line. Sounds a bit cheesy and "school-playground ".

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bond owns Largo, while Goldfinger owns Bond. I guess it boils down to which you prefer. For excitement, I prefer the GF variant.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I love Bond's first verbal encounter with GF at the hotel:

    "Now start losing Goldfinger. Shall we say $10,000? No let's be generous...let's make it $15,000"
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    In the past I've felt a bit iffy about Largo's "we have a way to deal with that where I come from" line. Sounds a bit cheesy and "school-playground ".

    To me it reveals his Mafioso background mentioned in the novel. SPECTRE's Executive Membership was composed of such people after all.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    I definitely don't see Goldfinger having the stomach to watch a man get fed to sharks or torture a girl.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Die Another Day is the best Bond film.

    Just kidding. But I don't like Largo as a villain very much...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sark wrote: »
    I definitely don't see Goldfinger having the stomach to watch a man get fed to sharks or torture a girl.
    But he will rip a man apart from the groin up with a laser. Imagine the smell.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    I definitely don't see Goldfinger having the stomach to watch a man get fed to sharks or torture a girl.
    But he will rip a man apart from the groin up with a laser. Imagine the smell.

    And to gas people by the thousand.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    I definitely don't see Goldfinger having the stomach to watch a man get fed to sharks or torture a girl.
    But he will rip a man apart from the groin up with a laser. Imagine the smell.

    And to gas people by the thousand.

    Or ask his Asian servant to asphyxiate a girl with paint.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Not to mention ushering his associates to a pressing engagement.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I suppose Largo is probably a bit more "hands-on". He's part of the gang that goes down to the ocean floor to steal the bombs, he joins his men when transporting the bombs and he has a proper fight with Bond in the climax.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Goldfinger/Largo reminds me of Stromberg/Drax. One dies up in the air(Or lack thereof), the other on water.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I suppose Largo is probably a bit more "hands-on". He's part of the gang that goes down to the ocean floor to steal the bombs, he joins his men when transporting the bombs and he has a proper fight with Bond in the climax.

    Yes. And there's a difference between telling your bodyguard to do something and doing it yourself. Largo was able to do both. Goldfinger was not.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I imagine Largo had to vacuum his own apartment and wash his own clothes, too. Not much power.
  • RC7RC7
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I imagine Largo had to vacuum his own apartment and wash his own clothes, too. Not much power.

    Strikes me as the kind of guy who makes a Pot Noodle when he gets home at night.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Is the guy from Goldfinger who tells Bond and M about gold the same guy who tells them about diamonds in Diamonds Are Forever?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Is the guy from Goldfinger who tells Bond and M about gold the same guy who tells them about diamonds in Diamonds Are Forever?

    No, different actors and characters. Colonel Smithers (appeared in the GF novel) and Sir Donald Munger.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I imagine Largo had to vacuum his own apartment and wash his own clothes, too. Not much power.

    Strikes me as the kind of guy who makes a Pot Noodle when he gets home at night.

    Yep, while Goldfinger gets his meals served. Largo is no. 2 in his world. Goldfinger is no. 1.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Charles Gray Blofeld has more power and influence than Sanchez, does that make him a better character?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Charles Gray Blofeld has more power and influence than Sanchez, does that make him a better character?

    Gray doesn t own a President, but at least he never burns.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Charles Gray Blofeld has more power and influence than Sanchez, does that make him a better character?

    No in my book.

  • RC7RC7
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Charles Gray Blofeld has more power and influence than Sanchez, does that make him a better character?

    Gray doesn t own a President, but at least he never burns.

    Yeah, I'd love to control a city and be accused of lacking power and influence.
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