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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Don't mention Star Wars, haserot, I have yet to see the original trilogy (only seen the new ones in theater)..... ;)

    Blasphemer! WATCH THEM NOW!!!!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Don't mention Star Wars, haserot, I have yet to see the original trilogy (only seen the new ones in theater)..... ;)

    Blasphemer! WATCH THEM NOW!!!!

    I'm in the process of expanding my cinematic knowledge, so don't worry ;)

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    To watch the prequels first just ruins the great surpise of the original three, that's the real kicker.
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    Not trying to change direction of the thread, but I just wanted to mention one little thing that I had brought up on another board, and everyone liked the idea:
    * lose 'Phantom Menace'
    * Attack of the Clones becomes Episode I (with some changes obviously-- most importantly, Anakin is 'good' the whole movie- he and Obi-Wan are much closer friends, etc )
    * Revenge of the Sith becomes Episode II (again, with some minor changes)
    * A totally new Episode III that's FULL of Darth Vader!!

    Episode I could have easily never happened as far as I'm concerned. I used to be a HUGE Star Wars fan before it came out and ruined everything

    I have always thought this alternative timeline for Star Wars: Phantom Menace+Attack of the Clones are EP1, EP3 stays equal and EP2 is pure Clone Wars, only battles like in the animated series (in 2D, the best in my opinion).
    Don't mention Star Wars, haserot, I have yet to see the original trilogy (only seen the new ones in theater)..... ;)

    Knowing your tastes for Bond, I think you'll enjoy more the prequels DC007, with all due respect of course!

    Is it possible to make some sort of analogies between Bond and Star Wars?
    For me they would be like this:
    A New Hope -- Dr No (classical, simple)
    The Empire Strikes Back -- FRWL (more sophisticated and complex than the first, but perfect from any point of view)
    Return of the Jedi -- TB (fun but not perfect)
    The Phantom Menace -- Moonraker (a lot of adventure, jokes and very campy)
    Attack of the Clones -- FYEO (don't know why, but they both bored me)
    Revenge of the Sith -- Casino Royale (a well made sequel)

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    0013 wrote:
    Knowing your tastes for Bond, I think you'll enjoy more the prequels DC007, with all due respect of course!

    I guess this will forever ruin my credibility on this forum, but my favorite Star Wars film, of the 3 I've seen, is.... Phantom Menace.

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    0013 wrote:
    Knowing your tastes for Bond, I think you'll enjoy more the prequels DC007, with all due respect of course!

    I guess this will forever ruin my credibility on this forum, but my favorite Star Wars film, of the 3 I've seen, is.... Phantom Menace.
    How cares about credibility, sport? You are consistent in your preferences and that is valuable.
    Anyhow, Phantom Menace is great!
  • edited January 2012 Posts: 9,738
    i will say this Darth Maul was the most bad ass star wars villain and could kick Darth vaders but. Sorry but it's true lol

    And Daltoncriag never be afraid of what you love.

    I love the Saint starring Val Kilmer I'm the only one in the world with the courage to say so of course; ) I can name a dozen or so films I've seen trashed here and elsewhere that I love to death.
  • edited February 2012 Posts: 4,622
    My favourite of the 5 films is the last one - First Class.
    I would watch X1- X3 in order first. It's an exciting trilogy. Watching Wolverine Origins next is optional, or skip it and go direct to First Class, which I think is more enjoyable, if you have already seen the first three films.
    Origins: Wolverine is kinda stand alone. I'd watch it last.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    my favorite Star Wars film, of the 3 I've seen, is.... Phantom Menace.

    I have no problem with this. My favorite Jedi, Qui-Gon Jinn, is in this movie. Liam Neeson gave a supreme performance in this film (and, amazingly enough, reprised the role twelve years later in two episodes of The Clone Wars).
    Risico007 wrote:
    i will say this Darth Maul was the most bad ass star wars villain and could kick Darth vaders but. Sorry but it's true lol

    No! That's not true! That's impossible!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I love this bit of news! X-Men FC is the best comic book film of last year - IMO - and it ranks just underneath X2 in my list.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    0013 wrote:
    Knowing your tastes for Bond, I think you'll enjoy more the prequels DC007, with all due respect of course!

    I guess this will forever ruin my credibility on this forum, but my favorite Star Wars film, of the 3 I've seen, is.... Phantom Menace.

    how is that we must always be opposites? lol..... Phantom Menace is the Star Wars film I like the least - though there are aspects of it i do like, they get outweighed by the aspects i don't like..

    I love The Empire Strikes Back - but my favorite is Return Of The Jedi.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    ROTJ used to be my favourite when I was 14. Then I started to really appreciate ESB. What ROTJ has to offer is the Battle Of Endor, an epic battle act I look forward to time and again. ESB, however, found the 'right' tone. That said, it's the only one of its kind in the series, which makes me wonder if it isn't an anomaly, rather than the 'typical' Star Wars film?
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    ROTJ used to be my favourite when I was 14. Then I started to really appreciate ESB. What ROTJ has to offer is the Battle Of Endor, an epic battle act I look forward to time and again. ESB, however, found the 'right' tone. That said, it's the only one of its kind in the series, which makes me wonder if it isn't an anomaly, rather than the 'typical' Star Wars film?

    thats why i love Empire, it's story and tone is perfect..

    ROTJ is my favorite, pretty much because it wraps everything up - i love the emotional ending, even with the additions made to it in the Special Edition..

    i always think back to what could have been too.... it's no secret that Lucas wanted Spielberg to direct ROTJ - but that plan fell through.

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I love this bit of news! X-Men FC is the best comic book film of last year - IMO - and it ranks just underneath X2 in my list.

    I also have this issue. Is X2 better than X-Men: First Class? I think it is, if only by a bit. If the sequel tops First Class then we'll have a new winner and a near perfect X-Men film. You can't get much better than that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Agreed. I went to see FC several times in the theatre. Love every aspect of it. But then, I'm deeply in love with the sixties. ;-)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I don't know about First Class being the best comic book film of 2011 (I'm partial to Thor, myself), but it was a great movie among other great comic book movies.
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    I think X-Men First Class was best comic book movie of 2011 as well. I just got my blu-ray in the mail along with Green Lantern blu-ray ( I know, it was a good price though).
    Green Lantern is at least colourful and should look good in hi-def, plus its got Blake Lively, looking very coy, so what the hey. I like escapist fare!
  • edited February 2012 Posts: 3,161
    Ok Master_Dahark I'll watch First Class first, then proceed with X1, X2 and X3... should I really not watch Origins : Wolverine ?
    I found Wolverine to be a blast. Enjoyed it a lot more than X2 and X3.

    But the best of the bunch is 'First Class'

  • I've always thought a tv series of Bond in the 50/60's would be a great idea...
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I don't understand why people don't like Wolverine. The movie was never meant to be anything other than an action-packed thrill ride, which is what it is. Now, thanks to First Class, there are continuity errors in the franchise timeline where Wolverine introduced none.
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    Now, thanks to First Class, there are continuity errors in the franchise timeline where Wolverine introduced none.
    Are you referring to professor X being balled and able to walk in WR and ending in a wheelchair in 'First Class' with his hair intact? Yeah, that doesn't really make any sence.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    I don't understand why people don't like Wolverine. The movie was never meant to be anything other than an action-packed thrill ride, which is what it is. Now, thanks to First Class, there are continuity errors in the franchise timeline where Wolverine introduced none.

    just like the line itself "the Wolverine howls at the moon" - it makes no sense - as a Wolverine is not a wolf, but almost a badger like animal...

    beyond that little nugget of info, the film itself is just terrible... it's not that it's an action packed thrill ride - you can still have that, and half a brain also.... but good lord, if you're going to be relying on a lot of CGI effects in your movie, at least make them look good - they were without a doubt, some of the worst effects i've seen in a major Hollywood film a very long time.... while CGI does not a good movie make - when it's terrible, it can yank you right out of it, and become an eyesore.. i mean, come on, the CGI'd Patrick Stewart at the end by the helicopter was so bad that I laughed out loud in the theater - a PS1 video game could've done a better job...

    the plot was contrived and convoluted, not too mention this film had just about every action / dramatic cliche' known to man, that it became distracting to a degree... some scenes like the boxing one with the Blob were just too dumb to even be enjoyable - not to mention he goes through the whole boxing mess, just to easily take him down, which he could've done right at the start, and saved us from a completely useless scene in the film.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    HASEROT wrote:
    just like the line itself "the Wolverine howls at the moon" - it makes no sense - as a Wolverine is not a wolf, but almost a badger like animal...

    I was unaware of that (not too knowledgeable about animals).
    HASEROT wrote:
    it's not that it's an action packed thrill ride - you can still have that, and half a brain also.... but good lord, if you're going to be relying on a lot of CGI effects in your movie, at least make them look good

    Two points here:

    1) Very few action heavy movies have thought-provoking plots (The Matrix aside)
    2) The Scorpion King 2. That's all I have to say on the bad CG front.
    HASEROT wrote:
    the plot was contrived and convoluted, not too mention this film had just about every action / dramatic cliche' known to man, that it became distracting to a degree... some scenes like the boxing one with the Blob were just too dumb to even be enjoyable - not to mention he goes through the whole boxing mess, just to easily take him down, which he could've done right at the start, and saved us from a completely useless scene in the film.

    A good deal of comic books have contrived and convoluted plots, and cliches exist all over movies nowadays (quite a lot of horror movies have the whole "something jumps out from the side of the screen" thing).

    I'm not exactly going to defend the boxing scene, but... well, Blob is very fat. Granted, he could have been smart and snikt'ed the claws a lot sooner, but that would have robbed the film of precious screen time, and I thought the length of that movie worked quite well.

    There have been far worse comic book movies out there (*cough* Batman & Robin *cough*), and this was one of the more decent ones. It's not the best X-Men film, but it turned out better what X-Men Origins: Magneto would have been.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Zekidk wrote:
    Now, thanks to First Class, there are continuity errors in the franchise timeline where Wolverine introduced none.
    Are you referring to professor X being balled and able to walk in WR and ending in a wheelchair in 'First Class' with his hair intact? Yeah, that doesn't really make any sence.

    Yes, that was what I meant. And, Xavier was also able to walk during X3's prologue scene, and that takes place after Wolverine.
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    I enjoyed Wolverine, but I rank it 5th of the five. Just keep em coming!
  • Great news, loved first class especially its 60s feel. fassbender was excellent and would make a great bond.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    It may be worth making this the X-Men thread and moving it to the film section.

    A shock to no one but The Wolverine has a release date of 26th July 2013:

    http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/fox-dates-the-wolverine-for-july-2013/

    No doubt the second First Class will follow, unless the Deadpool film is ever made.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    What the hell would you call a sequel to First Class? Second Class just sounds stupid (though not as stupid as First Class 2).
  • A damn good question- I have no idea! Unless they named it after a famous comic story
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    First Class is the first of a planned trilogy. Are there any comics that have that title as the first of a trilogy or series? That may give us some idea of what it'll be called.

    It may be set in the '70's, with the last in the '80's. That's an idea that's being floated around.
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