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biggest mistake of the brosnan era: getting rid of janus after goldeneye
I was watching goldeneye, yesterday, and I thought it would've been cool if EON had used janus as the spectre of the brosnan era, and 006 as blofeld. In this fantasy, I would've changed TND so carver was a secret member of janus (with alec only used in a FRWL blofeld type way, and the rest stays the same), kept TWINE as a solo adventure, and in DAD used janus. Here's my plot for DAD using janus: bond kills moon (he stays dead this time), and is sent to north korean prison, thanks to double agent miranda frost. The film then plays out like it did, except gustav graves isn't moon, its 006 using a mask and living under a false identity, but in this he actually works out a deal with moons father. Bond of course finds this out. So the "for england james" line would've been at the end of DAD, when bond kills 006 and ends the brosnan era with the story it started with. Of course there's about a million other things I'd change in DAD as well but im not gonna go into all that now.
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You realise it's only going to be a matter of time before someone says the inevitable, this being Mi6 and all.
Well, I don't got this... You mean the part Bond uses the Parachute to fall from the mountain in DAD?
Yes! I suppose you could include the freefall scene in GE but comparitively that looks wonderful.
Christ, show some imagination for once.
Now I know why you like Moore. You enjoy unintelligible plots!
GE could easily have been rewritten so Alec wouldn't have been the head of the organization... it would be the same movie basicly, with the Bond/Alec showdown, only there would be a set up for a bigger organization behind Alec... add a few lines of dialogues here and there referring to the organization, maybe have a mysterious character a-la Mr White in the film...
Lmao.
Oh well, that one too? I never thought that could be CG, I really thought it was an double... lol
Anyway, @thelivingroyale made a good point. The 4 Bond movies he made could be just like the Craig era, with an interligated storyline, and being a great history. Maybe this way the Brosnan era could be better than it actually was.
-offtopic: Damn, i'm proud to be Born in his era..
But GOLDENEYE works fine as it is.
Oh well they learned their lesson with Craig though I'm happy for that.
it does work fne as it is but I think TND and DAD could've worked really well with janus. And if you read the opening post, Trevalyan wouldn't have been taken out in goldeneye, he would've been re-used in a blofeld-FRWL type way in TND, and as the main villian in DAD. I think sean bean could've improved DAD alot, he would've made a more threatening villian than graves.
Not every bond does have a recurring organisation, moore and dalton don't have recurring organisations (unless you count the KGB). But I think brosnans films could've benifited from a dark, mysterious organisation like janus.
He wouldn't be. For the last time, he would've survived at the end of goldeneye, then in TND carver would've been a janus member with Trevelyn being used in a blofeld-FRWL type way, then in DAD he would've been the main villian, with the whole "for england james" scene taking place at the end of the plane sequence, ending the brosnan era with the story it started with and janus never returning. Trevelyn still would've been head of janus.
Don't let DC007 hear you say that. He hates anything making real sense and having continuity for some weird reason.
Did we really need to ask :)
Absolutely the worst piece of CGI I've ever seen apart from the scorpion/rock thing in Mummy returns.
I take it you haven't seen The Scorpion King 2, then?
There was no continuity between outings 1962-2002. You didn't need to watch the previous 10 outings to appreciate MR. Continuity is totally not needed in the franchise. And plot is also not important - humour, characters and atmosphere are what's important in Bond films. The films can have the most basic and simplistic plot, as long as there's a great dose of humour with instantly quotable one-liners , the characters are colourful and memorable and there's an interesting atmosphere, the movies will have 10/10 from me. Plot doesn't matter at all IMO. I don't watch Bond films for their plot, which i don't care about, but for their quotable one-liners, the memorable gags and characters, and the atmosphere.
All in all that is why I love TMWTGG and DAF, because they have tons of quotable lines, instant classic secondary characters, and they are 2 of the most Flemingesque films.
And no one from DAF was memorable. Maybe Shady Tree, but that's because he had such a stupid name I'll never forget it. The one thing I liked from DAF was Felix, because he was an A-hole in that movie for no reason whatsoever.
Damn good one-liners does not a good film make, otherwise everyone would love Lethal Weapon (which I do, yet have found very few else who do).
I think that plot is not important in Bond films.. I didn't say I hate plot in every other non-Bond films... I just think that for Bond films, humour and character are much more important than plot. I just don't care about plot in 007 movies, doesn't stop me from enjoying other movies with good plot.
Seeing as I've given Bond writing a try (I write Bond fanfics for Fanfiction.net, name there: Jorus C'baoth), I can tell you that plot is as necessary as everything else.
I strongly disagree. Plot is is not important at all in Bond films. Humour, characters and atmosphere are the only 3 things that matters, IMO, in Bond films. DAF and TMWTGG have basic and simplistic plots, yet IMO they are the 2 most Flemingesque outings. Next to them, CR and QOS are almost total strangers to Fleming's world.
Well I totally disagree. DAF had the most memorable and colourful bunch of characters. DAF is probably the most Flemingesque outing, due to this amazing bunch of secondary characters, to the one-liners and humour, and the atmosphere.
As of right now, the only thing you and I agree on as atmosphere.
This is where we differ. When I watch DAF or TMWTGG, it's like I read a Fleming novel... And IMO when I read the Fleming novels, I picture Moore from TMWTGG, and the DAF atmosphere and humour. IMO the Fleming novels were much more humourous than the Craig films, and are more in line with the '74 Moore and '71 Connery outings.
Now, I'm gonna go ahead and give the cast credit by trying to take the crap they were given and turn it into something manageable, which they were somewhat able to do in TWINE, but not DAD.