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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'm also surprised that Kissy (or Aki) is only getting two votes. I love them both. To me Madeline is one of the weakest aspects of SP, and that's saying something.

    Hey, you don't hear me talking in that way about your wife!


    oh.. erm... that may have been wishfull thinking...


    I find her very attractive and well played, but the dialogue isn't up to par.
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: SP
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SP

    9-9
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,023
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: SP
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: SP
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SP

    YOLT: 6
    SP: 12
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Always nice to see this monthly thread pop up again.

    PTS: SP - I do love the Jupiter 16 sequence and Barry's music but SP's, whilst not being amazing, is damn solid.

    Title Track: YOLT - I never used to be a big fan of it when I was younger, preferring the bombast of GF. But it keeps on getting so much better with age, so many layers, one of Barry's best.

    Title Credits: YOLT - Again one of the best. The volcanoes and the oriental motif blended together beautifully along with the song.

    Main Villain: YOLT - Classic (if a bit laughable) Blofeld v a totally botched Blofeld.

    Main Bond Girl: SP - Kissy is anonymous (despite being crucial in preventing WW3). Madeline has a staggering figure and can converse intelligent as well.

    Henchman: SP - Not even worth discussing. Hans is a piss poor Poundstretcher Red Grant.

    Overall Plot: YOLT - Preposterous? Yes. Logical? Probably not. But at least it's not a shambles.

    Dialogue: SP - YOLT is pretty perfunctory here. 'Kill Bond. NOW!!' the only thing that really stands out.

    Score: YOLT - Just f**k off with this category.

    Settings: SP - I love Japan but I'd have to let the key European locations of SP and the crater shade this one.

    Action: YOLT - Little Nellie and the final crater are damn good but the Hinx fight enough to sneak this despite SP's other rather average action sequences.

    Humour: SP - I'm honestly struggling to think of one great one liner in YOLT.

    Cinematography: YOLT - As others have said both films are strong in this category but for all your efforts in the PTS Sam the rooftop shot simply cannot be beaten.

    Benign Bizarre: YOLT - Blofeld with a tank of piranhas. Job done.

    Suspense: YOLT - Bond dressed as an astronaut heading to the launchpad to avert WW3. Although about 80% of the suspense in this scene is down to Barry.

    Minor Characters: SP - Mr White and Lucia do enough here although Tiger is a solid ally.

    Glamour: SP - A Japanese fishing village v thrashing super cars past the Vatican?

    Bond Performance: SP - Sean sitting in a rocking chair with his slippers on? No thanks. Dan's weakest performance but he's still pretty damn good.

    YOLT: 9
    SP: 9

    SP scrapes a draw!!!

    Signs of light at the end of the tunnel. Don't get too complacent though. The next one will be a massacre.

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited June 2016 Posts: 2,483
    Best line in YOLT:

    As Q sets up Little Nellie, Tiger says, "What is this Bond-san? I have much curiosity! This can only be for children Bond-san! Take my helicopter."

    Hardly immortal, but at least amusing.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,894
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: You Only Live Twice
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: You Only Live Twice
    Dialogue: You Only Live Twice
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: Spectre
    Humor: Spectre ***this caregory could have gone either way***
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: Spectre
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Total:
    You Only Live Twice: 8
    Spectre: 10
    Winner: Spectre
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,400
    I think the cinematography category shouldn't even be an option. Freddie Young did Lawrence of Arabia for Christ's sake!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    I think the cinematography category shouldn't even be an option. Freddie Young did Lawrence of Arabia for Christ's sake!
    Past results never guarantee good quality. Lee Tamahori did 'Once Were Worriors' and later DAD....
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT (By far.)
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Henchman: SP (Could go either way, but we get a bit more of Hinx, so SP wins this one.)
    Overall Plot: YOLT (What in the hell was SP's plot?)
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT (No contest.)
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT (SP has a great train fight, but everything else leaves a lot to be desired.)
    Humor: SP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT (I love Henderson.)
    Glamour: YOLT
    Bond Performance: YOLT

    YOLT wins, 14-4.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,400
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    I think the cinematography category shouldn't even be an option. Freddie Young did Lawrence of Arabia for Christ's sake!
    Past results never guarantee good quality. Lee Tamahori did 'Once Were Worriors' and later DAD....

    Surely you're not arguing that YOLT has poor cinematography? Watch it again.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Final entries, one and all, final entries.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    I did a quick count, so I could be wrong, but looks like only four of us voted YOLT as the winner, so SP is currently in the lead.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It's not by points? Because I noticed that when YOLT did win it was by a large margin, when SP won it tended to be closer. There were a few ties as well.

    That's true, so it might balance out, or tip in YOLT's favor.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It's not by points? Because I noticed that when YOLT did win it was by a large margin, when SP won it tended to be closer. There were a few ties as well.

    That's true, so it might balance out, or tip in YOLT's favor.

    Ties are also far more common than they were previously (including on my own scorecard).
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It's not by points? Because I noticed that when YOLT did win it was by a large margin, when SP won it tended to be closer. There were a few ties as well.

    Are we using proportional representation here or first past the post?
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It's not by points? Because I noticed that when YOLT did win it was by a large margin, when SP won it tended to be closer. There were a few ties as well.

    Are we using proportional representation here or first past the post?

    Total points vs. total points, which I think is proportional.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    It was a much closer battle than the previous ones, but ultimately You Only Live Twice pulls it out, by a margin of 169 to 155! Next up, SP takes on George Lazenby's lone entry as it's Spectre vs. On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

    PTS: SP (probably OHMSS's weakest aspect)
    Title Track: OHMSS (I mean come on)
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (I mean come on)
    Henchman: SP (Irma Bunt is good enough, but Hinx is a badass and I'm a Batista fan)
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS (if the only piece of music in the whole film was "We Have All The Time In The World," it still would have won)
    Settings: OHMSS (Piz Gloria couldn't have been more Bondian if it were an actual set, plus they did a tribute in SP)
    Action: OHMSS (beautiful dawn raid on Piz Gloria)
    Humor: SP (Lazenby can't deliver a good line to save his life)
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS (doesn't get much more delightfully weird than the clinic)
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: SP (I'm not seriously going to pick the Lazenator here)

    SP scrapes a few wins in OHMSS's worse categories, but overall it's a 14-4 romper for OHMSS. Let's see your entries!
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: OHMSS

    Lol
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,421
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS 
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS 
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS 
    Action: OHMSS 
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS 
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: SP

    SP: 3
    OHMSS: 15

    I like SP well enough, but nothing can compare to Majesty's majesty.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,400
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: SP
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: SP
    Humor: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: SP

    OHMSS: 11
    SP: 7

    Not quite the [double] blowout I was expecting it to be.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,721
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: SP

    I'm exactly the same as many other here - OHMSS is my third favourite Bond film - Spectre not even in the top half and I was even torn over giving Craig the Bond Performance! I've really grown to like Lazenby's work in OHMSS. What a wonderful film OHMSS is.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    PTS: OHMSS
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humor: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: SP

    OHMSS: 13
    SP: 5
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    PTS: OHMSS
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: OHMSS

    OHMSS wins 18-0
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    edited July 2016 Posts: 14,873
    Spectre vs On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    PTS: OHMSS
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: OHMSS

    Landslide victory for Majesty's.
    I would give SP a tied vote fro PTS and Main Bond girl. But other than that, the lone George Lazenby entry is hard to beat.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    18 - 0 to OHMSS
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    Posts: 1,817
    4 absolute victories to OHMSS, wow.

    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: SP
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: OHMSS
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SP

    SP 7 - 11 OHMSS
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,721
    Birdleson wrote: »
    To me Craig's Bond in SP is the weakest interpretation in the series. His other three I rank quite high, but he seemed so disengaged, and almost effeminate at times, in this latest one.

    Interesting. I thought for the most part he was on point. Reaching for the cool of Connery and often achieving it. I thought the detached nature was more in line with him growing as an agent toward the man we saw in Dr No. If only the plot would let him get on with it! Instead of dragging his off handed coolness down into the depths of half-baked foster-brother motivations.

  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,023
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SP

    OHMSS 13
    SP 5
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,969
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: SP
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SP


    I really like Spectre, not in the hate camp which I still don't understand. But OHMSS is an excellent film, with only minor drawbacks.

    SP: 7
    OHMSS: 11

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,465
    One of the best vs. one of the worst. Let's see how this goes.

    PTS: OHMSS
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (How anyone could pick Swann over Tracy is beyond me.)
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: OHMSS
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Bond Performance: OHMSS (A non-actor vs. a bored Craig; I'll give it to the better film.)


    OHMSS slaughters SP, 16-2.
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