Jason Bourne vs. Ethan Hunt

JamesBond

As I read newly about the upcoming espionage films, I saw that Tom Cruise has already returned as Ethan Hunt in "Mission: Impossible - A Ghost Protocol", the fourth film in the series. I bet that Ethan Hunt is still more desirable spy than today's crappy Jason Bourne is. By the way, is Bourne actually a spy? His missions only require assassination objectives. So, Bourne is not a spy, he's just regular brutal assassin. Sadly, Bond is copying him very much but Ethan Hunt is still the classic spy we know. What do you think about this thread? What do you desire to see mostly? this new "Bourne Legacy" film where Bourne isn't even present yet? or the new "Mission: Impossible" coming on December 12th 2011?

Luds

All I'll say is that regardless of Bourne's identification as a non-spy or not, the series is far superior to at least 50 to 60% of all Bond flicks. I'd say the same about MI. Having solid competition is a great thing when producers are forced to make the right decisions for the franchise and give the fans what they want. Bourne and MI have had solid runs, and forced Bond to re-think where they were heading.

JamesBond

Bond is something else. He's more than the father of all the heroes in the world. But, Bourne is just another guy that will pass away sooner or later. Ethan Hunt is also a good spy, but he doesn't have the right to be compared with Bond. EON Productions must put in Bond's mind "Think Spy" and not "Think Assassin". You don't agree with me, do you?

Luds

Bond has always been an assassin. That's his main job. His missions were presented to the audience in a different form and dressed as escapism, but the fact of the matter is that he's an assassin.

And quite frankly, I find it extremely refreshing to be presented with the real thing. It was attempted with Dalton but that was a bit too early for the audience to accept. Now that action flicks in general have provided with great intensity and believability, it was time for Bond to pursue the same while keeping its class and panache. What the Craig era has made me realize is how much i prefer this genre, the Craig/Dalton/early Connery, over the comedic and unbelievable caricature of a spy that Brosnan and Moore were. Don't get me wrong, I love Moore, but his Bond was a joke. He couldn't have killed a 14 year old bully in a fist fight. Perhaps the intensity is a bit much with Craig, but the change of pace over Brosnan's Bond is welcome.

I sense now that with two films under their belt with Craig, it's time or it will soon be time for his character to relax and start enjoying himself. In CR he was a rookie, and in QOS he was finishing what he had started in CR. I could see the franchise re-introduce elements like Q and Moneypenny, as well as a better relationship with M, and thus likely satisfy Craig's critics that Bond was too Bourne, and to a certain amount I agree with it, but the fact remains that I want Bond to remain believable, and we can thank MI, Bourne, 24, etc for that.

BAIN123

Bond wasn't JUST an assassin though. He was far more than that. He was a real spy, and initially went to investigate people most of the time - not just take them out. SOMETIMES he did but mainly not.

Grant and Bourne were pure assassins. They were given their targets and then went to take them out. Their job was merely to kill as a third party.

boldfinger

Being an assassin was never Bond´s main job. His main job has always been to investigate and clear up certain situations. The achievement of that purpose is regarded more important than sparing the life of an alleged villain, but it is not Bond´s first objective to kill.
But I agree with the rest of what you said @Luds.

As for Bourne and Hunt, as much as both are healthy competition for Bond films, I can´t see the two of them much in competition. Sure, both are high class action films, but, well, Bourne is not a spy, and Hunt doesn´t have the license to kill. That makes the two of them have rather different agendas. At least as long as they stick somehow to where they came from. MI:3, 24, and Bourne all sucked the idea of internal betrayal more than dry, and it´s bad enough QOS couldn´t resist too, although you could argue that 006 from GE was the very first of them all.
Apart from that, I´m very curious what might become of both franchises. If Jeremy Renner becomes lead in both of them and they both run well it´s gonna be fun to compare Renner vs. Renner \:D/ .

Samuel001

Yeah I'd say to call Bond an "assassin" is a bit short sighted as, according to his job description he's not. He works for the government investigating whom they please, often just to see what happens and access the situation.

There was a great thread with thoughts on this topic, if Bond is an assassin or one of two other options - which I can't remember, on the old forums. I wish I could bring it up to have a look and see what people said.

boldfinger said:
Apart from that, I´m very curious what might become of both franchises. If Jeremy Renner becomes lead in both of them and they both run well it´s gonna be fun to compare Renner vs. Renner \:D/ .

It's been said recently by Simon Pegg that all these "Renner taking over M:I" rumours, are just that, rumours. The same was said about Rhys Meyers after the last film and that didn't happen. If a fifth film happens Cruise will be the star with no doubt a younger partner - who will take over. ;-)

I'd love to see a Renner vs. Renner though that would be a good fun. He could even be Bond next.

EDIT: Sorry @Luds, it seems you've already got two replys before I even posted. It must seem like we're gunning for you. ;-) We're not, or I'm not at least. :-))

actonsteve

Luds said:
but the fact remains that I want Bond to remain believable, and we can thank MI, Bourne, 24, etc for that.

Why?

Has Babs and Mickey come out and said they were influenced by Bourne? Wheres the evidence? That a few Bourne editors and directors were hired by Eon? In the narfow world of Hollywood the good "action" directors are in demand and snapped up by all manner of producers and studios.

Until it is confirmed that they were influenced by Bourne it really is fan specualtion isnt it?

Samuel001

I think it's more to do with Bond following the trends of the times as far as the Bourne comparison goes, though Bond should always try to set them but that's another story.

DaltonCraig007

actonsteve said:
Has Babs and Mickey come out and said they were influenced by Bourne? Wheres the evidence?

If we're going that way, we can doubt nearly every decisions concerning Bond films, as EON rarely speaks up.

So everything about the franchise is just fan speculation ? Ridiculous.

Luds

actonsteve said:

Luds said:
but the fact remains that I want Bond to remain believable, and we can thank MI, Bourne, 24, etc for that.

Why?

Has Babs and Mickey come out and said they were influenced by Bourne? Wheres the evidence? That a few Bourne editors and directors were hired by Eon? In the narfow world of Hollywood the good "action" directors are in demand and snapped up by all manner of producers and studios.

Until it is confirmed that they were influenced by Bourne it really is fan specualtion isnt it?

There's no point in going through this over and over again.
The simple answer is common sense.

boldfinger

Samuel001 said:
I'd love to see a Renner vs. Renner though that would be a good fun. He could even be Bond next.

When I first saw Renner in The Hurt Locker, I though he looks like the little brother of Daniel Craig and Jim Belushi. The three of them maybe should do a film together ;-) . Sorry, I´m off topic, shutting up already.

dragonsky

there is fourth movie? WOW i still didnt saw the third one. i am not big fan of the modern Bourne (am i the only one hat saw the past bourne movie in 2 parts?) definitely MI is much better than Bourne

j7wild

dragonsky said:
there is fourth movie? WOW i still didnt saw the third one. i am not big fan of the modern Bourne (am i the only one hat saw the past bourne movie in 2 parts?) definitely MI is much better than Bourne

here:

http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/998/coming-soon-to-cinemas-near-you-the-upcoming-films-thread#Item_6

thelordflasheart

One thing that gives the M:I movies an edge over Bourne is that they're willing to take chances and reinvent the franchise - film after film! M:I 2 was dramatically different from the first film and the third one was different than the second. Because of that there's a freshness to the films that stops them from wearing out their welcome.

All three Bourne films were VERY similar so a little bit into the third one I was thinking "Again?". I still enjoyed it, but at a certain point watching the same film over and over and over becomes wearing.

Still, I doubt that either M:I or Bourne will hit 23 films.

boldfinger

thelordflasheart said:
One thing that gives the M:I movies an edge over Bourne is that they're willing to take chances and reinvent the franchise - film after film!

I think as much as Bourne could have done with some less repetition, MI overdid the re-inventing. Instead they should just have done good filmsfrom start to end.

Chuck

boldfinger said:

thelordflasheart said:
One thing that gives the M:I movies an edge over Bourne is that they're willing to take chances and reinvent the franchise - film after film!
I think as much as Bourne could have done with some less repetition, MI overdid the re-inventing. Instead they should just have done good filmsfrom start to end.

Definitely agreed. M:I really did go overboard with trying to reinvent itself. M:I-2 is the main culprit of the series, as it followed from a rather solid spy film and tried to go in the direction of being an all-out action film. As much as I like several of John Woo's action films, he was probably the wrong director for the franchise. The slow-motion shots, the over-the-top action, and all of that really steered the films in a complete opposite direction than they should have been going which led to a similar overreaction the next time in out trying to pull the series in the complete opposite direction yet again.

CoH_GHOST_007

Jason Bourne vs. Ethan hunt...

Well i absolutely love both, both have a great 'three-films', both have great action, both have their own 'identity' as a film. I have to say that i am looking forward more towards the next installment in the M:I franschise, mainly due to the fact that i was outstanded with M:I:III, enjoyed M:I-2 and simply adored M:I's simplistic tone, that still thrills us with action. Don't get me wrong, i do also love the Bourne films, but with them taking it away from the main character of the trilogy, i can't say that i am exactly 'over-the moon' about it. And the mission: impossible films always seem to spread their films apart quite a bit in years, whereas many others just rush theirs and mainly end up with a disaster.

SaintMark

If they both deliver decent movies (without the barfcam) I think I am the winner.

j7wild

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Luds

I must say I'm pretty excited to see MI4. Trailer looks solid, could be 3 great action flicks within within a very short time, MI4, Bourne4, Bond23, and then the Hobbit!

Risico007

Luds you forgot The Dark Knight Rises

For me it's Mission impossible Ghost Protocol The Dark Knight then bond 23 can't wait to see all 3.

Honestly based on the trailer alone Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol May just have the best plot of the 4 films

Virage

Yeah @luds and @Risico007 you forgot Man Of Steel

Ethan because he has character

LAWNMOWERMAN

prefer HUNT, but the real reason why i will see MI GHOST PROTOCOL, is not because i'm a big fan of HUNT's character or CRUISE for that matter, but because i loved both TV series(the 67-73 reruns as a kid) and then latter (88-90 as a kid).

that said, found the first BOURNE film pretty good to my surprise. i know the BOURNE films are based on novels but i haven't read any of them. oddly enough the story remind me of another film... THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT in terms of the main character suffering from amnesia, to only get their memory back to find out that they are a deadly assassin for the CIA... saw the second not much so impressed haven't seen the third.

out of the two believe the MI franchise has more staying(appeal) power for the long run
because it can go and explore many directions whether its TV, films, or novels etc.
and plus its not limited to just one character, true HUNT(CRUISE) is the face of franchise now but he can be replace by a character or sets of characters and actors just as they did to GRAVES and company.

where as BOURNE could run out of steam, plus its hard to find a good substitute to BOND

boldfinger

j7wild said:
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol ENGLISH US Trailer 1

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I thought this your-own-government-hunts-you theme was sucked dry, but the Eminem song was cool. And that sidekick Tom does is brilliantly shot, looks really punchy. And Jeremy Renner is one cool bastard.

dragonsky

i cant watch the trailer :(

DaltonCraig007

There you go dragonsky !!

:-bd

shadowonthesun

I think that when it comes to Bourne vs. Hunt, it's a bit of a dead heat. Jason Bourne goes in for the ultra-realism to the extent where it does hurt the films a little bit. At the same time, Ethan Hunt has that larger-than-life quality, but is let down by the fact that The IMF agency has more traitors in it than DIE ANOTHER DAY. They might be assigned to protect the world from the worst of villains when no-one else can succeed, but given their turnover rate, they're a bigger threat to us than anyone they've put away.

It's funny that based on some of the talk, GHOST PROTOCOL will be a hand-over film; Cruise will drop out of the franchise, with Jeremy Renner's character, Brandt, picking up the reins for future films. At the same time, Renner has been cast as Matt Damon's replacement in THE BOURNE NON-SEQUITUR (working title) ...

SharkBait

Ethan Hunt and Mission Impossible. Even if there is a huge rodent problem in the films, the films are fun and exciting.

Bourne is solid. But for me the three films are actually the same film because of the continuation of the story. To the extent that the 3rd film starts from where the 2nd film left us. But every MI film is kind of different. Minus every film having some big stunt and a traitor.

M_Balje

Identity first view 7/10.
Supremecy 6/10
Ultimatum 6.5 close to a 6.0

My general feeling about the last 2 be that better can have made 1 movie from the last 2. I get the idea CR look like more on Supremacy that movie whyle QOS look like more on Ultimatum, the other way around what people think. Before i saw them people blaime QOS look like more on Supremacy whyle i think it look like more on Ultimatum. Also hand camera thing is a bigger problem in Ultimatum then the claimd Supremecy . The last 2 movies best things are the contune thing and feels a bit strange it take 3 years before ultimate be released. For me it not realy make a lot of difrence because i saw them this year. With exeption of Identity i don't think those 2 are movies because of the plot/to short time be movies who i going to watch more then 2 times. If i have seen Ultimatum before QOS i possible have give a higher rank. Biggest problem is that there focus a lot on Bourne him self on a tv series whyle there vergot he also have a future.

Mission Impossible first view 6/10. Part of the movies plot take 2 or 3 more views to discover. In 2010 i watch it i think for the 4th of fift time and i discover the movie have a big problem to survived time. I can't remember of have seen it in the cinema too.

Mi2. 9/10. My favorite and i have seen it in the cinema. The only one who comes close to the highest ranks and views count of movies like Goldeneye/Twine or movie Spider-Man. There exist a couple of discussion threads on the old forums about or Mi2 and Spy Game be responselbel for what happend with Die Another Day and also a litle bit with Casino Royale. This moost of the time going about the mistake there make with taken the first editor not the uncredit editor for DAD. With CR there correct this mistake.

Mi3. First view 7.5/10. I feel the movie a lot in comen with the set up for a sequel element like QOS whyle Mi3 is from earlier So you can say iam a bit disapointed the story not contuned in Ghost Protocol and it take 5 years after part 3. In specialy because the introducing Jonathan Rhys Meyers chacter. I read some remours abour Renner wil take over the franchise, but if there is one i think about to take over it be Meyers. Also from this one i expect the villian wil return and Maggie Q possible going to be a villian. I don't understand people don't understand Luther not be in the fourth one, because also his chacter get first signs he not going to be in part 4 or part 4 be his last one. Of course with a title like Ghost Protocol a lot is possible and strange enough Ving Rhames his name is back on the imdb page of the 4th movie. So i hope mi5 is released in 2013 or 2014 where Mi3 end if Mi4 do nothing with it. Laurens Fishburn is fired at CSI so can come back now. About Renner, if he can't choose then i think there should give his name in Bourne the same name as in Mi4 and it be the same chacter. If not he better can leave Bourne.

For each franchise i have other expections and for Bond special rule. CR/QOS be so much difrence with Mission Impossible franchise i can't who i like more. But also there be much difrence between that franchise and Bourne. In general i say Mission Impossible because Bourne feels a bit empty also. After for a part disaster CR in my eyes i feel QOS is more the way i like to see Bond going and for Mi count the same. I like the team spirit of that franchise a lot. Bourne story is a thing i think should change, with the locations it look first there going to win from Bond. Already before i saw those 2 Bourne movies and QOS i get the feeling it be time for another TLD, Octopussy, Yolt, TMWTGG locations besides another GE. It look like the mi franchise thinking the same with being the first yusing India and Russia.

JamesBond

Mission Impossible series are f*cking awesome!!! Very close to classic Bond franchise. Not like those suspenseful Bourne films, which runs out for nothing. Watching Bourne films is a waste of time.

My bet is on Ethan Hunt. Bourne goes down.

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